Prepping started for Iran war - Page 3

Very interesting... and scary.

By the way, Segovius, where are you in the creationism thread? I really want to hear your take on it.

Yes. It's called "common descent ancestor found" or something like that.

The iraqis have been through enough

What I would like to see is the Arab league rise up and speak out against Irans nuclear intentions. I cant imagine that they are happy to have this happen.

The arab leaders or the arab people?

I believe the arab people are perfectly happy with Iran getting the bomb. Seeing Israel has a whole arsenal aimed at them...

The word Iran predates the word Persia.

And what New said.

Oops.

What you said the first time.

says who?

i havent read all the comments but I can tell you that a war with Iran is just not gonna happen.

I've been there many times and know the country pretty well. Not like a native, but its nowhere near as "easy" as Iraq.

Iran is like mixing the mountains of Afganistan and some parts of deserts of Iraq. Mix in some very motivated soldiers who have a LOT of weapons (not like the pathetic US invasion of Iraq in 2002 against an army that had been 10 years depleated and just not even a half effort.

Iran has lots of tanks, lots of fighters, long range missle systems, millions of soldiers, millions of reservists, para-military, etc.

They do not have the religious problems of Iraq. They are basically all Shiite muslim so, pretty stable. There are some tribal things, but hardly enough to pit one group against another in case of a foreign invasion.

Overall, Iranians are a very proud people who love their country despite all the crap the religious authorities fling at them. Yes, they have issues about capital punishment, torture, and just general ass backwards laws (seen from our point of view), but despite that, as I said before, I dont think you'll get a popular uprising against the religious authorities if the US were to invade.

When I was there, Persians were publicly hating the USA (because they have to) but when you go to a market or just meet common people, they hope you're an american and want to talk, discuss, and they have this thing about wanting to be pen pals. Heh.

Lets not forget that Persia was the most westernized nation outside of Europe for a while. The problem was that the Shah westernized too quickly and upset a lot of people and eventually the extremists took over and the rest is history. The current president, and the former, were/are quite moderate.

Generally the iranian government does not like the religious authorities becaus ethey interfere with everything and are just way too extremist for a lot of things. Unfortunately, they are necessary in order to keep the nation together and not have another extremist revolution like that lunatic Khomeni.

Aaaaanyway... to make a long thing short, the US of A better think 5 times before doing something as dumb as that.

also just wanted to add:

associating Al-Q with Iran is a shot in the dark. Granted, Bush and Cronies managed to somewhat brainwash the American public to invade Iraq on bullshit proof, but it just wouldnt work with Iran.

In general, and most middle eastern countries have figured this one out since a while, its NOT A GOOD THING to harbor and/or encourage terrorist groups in your country.

Why? Because these groups tend to bite you in the arse and topple you down. This happened plenty of times in Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine, etc.

Saddam Hussein and anyone else would be CRAZY to harbor terrorist groups unless they were their own special operations groups that were created, controlled, and maintained by their respective armies. This is what we generally call "Special Operations" or things like "CIA" in our country. Every country has their own.

But to actually harbor Al-Q in Iran? Knowingly? Thats just pure folly.

Ok, I'm just thinking out loud here. I have no proof, nor anything in substance to back this up.

But what if the neo-cons' idea is to recreate Persia?

Wasn't it the British that divided Iran and Iraq? It's an artificial line, drawn through a people that think and worship similarly (well the Shia anyway?)

Is it actually possible to combine the two (should Iran's government somehow fall) and sell it to their people as the new mid-east superpower?

Again, I'm just thinking out loud here. Don't be too cruel.

I know Iranians arent Arabs, thats why i would think the Arab league could say something without appearing to go against one of their own.

I bet that Arab countries are more concerned about Iran having the bomb than israel. When Israel destroyed Osarik in Iraq they were quite grateful.

So let me get this straight, Iran with Nuclear weapons doesnt bother any of you and we would be stupid to go to war with them to prevent that, but not stupid to sit back and allow them to get nuclear weapons?

Talk about a head in the sand mentality.

It doesn't bother me any more than Israel with nuclear weapons, supplied by the US.

They built their own.

And Im not sure how you can say it doesnt bother you. I find that pretty lame.

For a country that has been under attack most of it's life, Israel has shown surprising maturity and extreme patience with their ownership of nuclear weapons.

Even with what sometimes seem like daily incursions by terrorists into civilian areas, there is no real public support for a "nuke 'em all" solution virtually anywhere in Israeli society.

Iran, on the other hand, is controlled by nutbars who perform death chants against their political enemies inside their government chambers.

If they get a nuke, they will use it.

Exactly. And they will give them to terrorists who will make a smart bomb. Putin should have known that the Chechens will most likely be a buyer. Yet he stupidly helped Iran build reactors.

A nuclear Iran is a danger to the entire world.

Dream on, buddy. They built their own...


So is Iran. What is the problem then?

Its pretty surprising to see a country 'constantly' attacked to be holding others territories.

A country constantly in attack doesn't occupy territories and perform genocide on them. A country that is attacking, however, does.

Iran has never used nukes either. And never says they would. So, double standards ayyyy?

change this to: 'A nuclear Iraq is a danger to the entire world' and you come close to Bush's speeches. Hell even the monkey-face Dicky.

You've started quoting Bush now?

Pakistan built nukes also. Who helped them? It can be done without outside help. Find me proof that the US helped Israel with their program.

The problem is that Iran is run by terrorist supporting thugs who chant 'Death to America' . I consider that a problem.

Genocide? Hardly. Your bias is showing.
Israel has been attacked many times by Arabs. Look it up.
Iran has never used nukes because they never had them. If you trust Iran's word over Israel's you'd be in the minority. The Arabs arent afraid of Israel, they were always more afraid of Saddam. Iran is no friendly neighbor, if Israel destroyed their reactors they would most likely cheer (internally of course, dont want to upset the fanatics).

france gave israel their nuclear program.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimona ...

France used to pick their allies alot better than they do now.

Not really. What's changed is that people in America hear a lot of distortion about France, all the time. France is getting the same kind of treatment as Iraq and Iran do, only watered down a bit.

I mean, consider this. Iraq is all about democracy, right? Because democracies are good, and if Iraq was one then America would like them and so would the whole world.

Well, France is a democracy. But there seems to be reason to hate (yes, hate) France. And do you imagine that an Iraqi democracy that represented the wishes of a people who now hate America would be more or less favourable to America then France?

OK Mr. Freedom of Speech!

Wow. Just wow. Duuuh?

As for the Two Fronts thing, well, that has ALWAYS been an American priority: being able to fight a war on two fronts. Afghanistan doesn't count anymore because we don't give a shit about it. We already bombed it. Check. Iraq: already bombed: check. Just needs a few troops. Time for Iran. I see it coming. What will happen to Iraq you say? I think terrorists will plan a massive surprise attack on the few troops we leave in Iraq and it will be a bloodbath. A terrible horror. I also think there will be a dirty nuclear bomb attack in the US in the next 4 years. It wouldn't surprise me. I'm glad I'm not living in NYC. And to think, those poor bastards didn't even vote for Bush.

Bush is definitely heading to Waterloo. Hmm didn't he take history and learn about supply lines, and all those other military thingies? I think he's streeetching a bit already.

Man it has to suck to be in the Army right now. And to think I once wanted to do ROTC. The second Bush was in, I was like...haha, no.

Hey steve666 are you ready to join up and die for us just because Iran chants smack about us? yea that's what I thought.

And yes as for the human rights thing...well, there are whole continents that are worse, like Africa, South America, most of Asia...

edit: disclaimer: I don't support Iran's government. Yes they harbor terrorists. They helped Al Quaeda pass through borders.

Does this mean we should invade Iran? No. Diplomacy? Yes.

It's called MAD people. They know if they attacked us with a nuclear bomb, they would become I think as Bush I put it "a glass park." The US does not hesitate to use nuclear weapons when they are necessary and I support this. Stamping out terrorism is important and MAD and our willingness to use nukes is part of the "big stick" we carry while speaking softly. I think we should start watching Iran much closer, and hey, maybe use some intelligence from the CIA and other organizations, although under Porter Goss who knows what their deal is. Multilateral talks would be a good idea too. And I think we should increase our naval and air presence in the region to a large degree.

But then again, I'm an arm chair general. I'd say leave the thinking to experienced leaders, like say, Colin Powell. \

>Hey steve666 are you ready to join up and die for us just because Iran chants smack about us? yea that's what I thought.

And yes as for the human rights thing...well, there are whole continents that are worse, like Africa, South America, most of Asia...

edit: disclaimer: I don't support Iran's government. Yes they harbor terrorists. They helped Al Quaeda pass through borders.

Does this mean we should invade Iran? No. Diplomacy? Yes.

It's called MAD people. They know if they attacked us with a nuclear bomb, they would become I think as Bush I put it "a glass park." The US does not hesitate to use nuclear weapons when they are necessary and I support this. Stamping out terrorism is important and MAD and our willingness to use nukes is part of the "big stick" we carry while speaking softly. I think we should start watching Iran much closer, and hey, maybe use some intelligence from the CIA and other organizations, although under Porter Goss who knows what their deal is. Multilateral talks would be a good idea too. And I think we should increase our naval and air presence in the region to a large degree.

But then again, I'm an arm chair general. I'd say leave the thinking to experienced leaders, like say, Colin Powell<

Ok, let me get this straight because it appears you contradicted yourself a few times there. You do think Iran is supporting terrorists that want us dead, but you dont think we should do something about it.
You say those in charge are loons, but you want us to use diplomacy.

Sorry, but thats just not realistic. If they are a danger to us, and I think you agree that they are, they must be dealt with.
I am no fan of Bush, I cant stand the guy. I actually voted for Gore and Kerry. Iraq was a mistake, the real danger is Iran. If things can be worked out satusfactorily without military action that would be great, but it isnt going to happen.

The Europeans are trying to get an agreement with Iran without physical verification. How the hell is that supposed to work, by taking their word for it? Sorry, we cant allow Iran to get nukes. Whatever it takes must be done.

Gold is one of the more unsympathetic people I've come across...

In the future most countries will have acess to nuke technology. I don't see how you can stop that. It was complicated in 1950, it's not that difficult in 2004.

you know, when Israelis stark talking about nukes, its like pedofiles saying 'yelling at kids is an abuse!'

they did this in iraq, they're doing it in iran. lets see where the 'funny' wheel of death spins last.

Iran cant be allowed to get nukes, period.
Whatever it takes

Never an acceptable answer. That's the answer for those people too stupid to come up with a peaceful solution.

There is no peaceful solution with a country that doesnt want peace. A country that pays money to terrorists to kill as many innocents as possible.

You and your ilk are appeasers.

Death to Iran