*---Straight from CompUSA inside sources!!!!!! LCD iMac---* - Page 2

Whatever dude. Like some CompUSA idiot would either know or care. Anyone at CompUSA hat knows anything about Macs anyway is usually an Apple employee so I doubt he would break NDA if he even had anything to disclose.

I wish the iMac to have a widescreen display, G4 and SuperDrive, but I doubt it would have all three, so I guess I will get a desktop, hopefully G5

[quote] Who can't make up part numbers? <hr></blockquote>

&lt;Foghorn Leghorn&gt; It's a joke son-- why aren't you laughing? &lt;/Foghorn Leghorn&gt;

[quote] Press releases from IBM (the only people making fast G3s) say 1GHz G3 not before middle of this year, they are sampling them in Q1 2002. <hr></blockquote>

Excellent point. Definitely makes it look hokey... Anyway... 5 days...

[quote]Originally posted by Gamblor:
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&lt;Foghorn Leghorn&gt; It's a joke son-- why aren't you laughing? &lt;/Foghorn Leghorn&gt; </strong><hr></blockquote>

Because I'm old and a British engineer, I have a compulsion to believe everything I'm told unless I can prove it otherwise.

Michael

[quote]Originally posted by suckfuldotcom:
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One is the DVDROM, the other is the CDRW. As for colors, I asked him about that and he said no colors were listed for the LCDs.

SdC

[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: suckfuldotcom ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Since when does Apple charge the same for DVD and CD-RW. Usually the DVD is $100 cheaper.

Well if this 14" screen bizzo turns out, then I was right on the button. Sounds just like Apple when they dropped the 17" CRT and went 15" LCD. Why change the pattern...and besides, 14" would be cheaper than 15". better margins for Apple!!

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I sure hope this isn't true. I'd gladly dump 200MHz from the G3 if we'd get a 15" LCD.

Ok, having worked at compusa, i can tell you- we don't get ANYTHING as far as advanced notice from Apple, exactly for reasons like this (unless they've really changed their policy).

Now, my theory.
G5s were pretty close to being ready to go last time i checked. so. G5 towers will be introduced, though not for immediate sale i think. iMacs will probably get the flatscreens. Now, we all know apple with have some left over G4 parts, right?

Using an LCD screen, you'll have plenty of space left for a fan and heat sink to prevent a G4 from frying itself.

LCD screens aren't ground breaking, and i don't think they'd justify the amount of hype this is receiving, so for now I'm thinking bigger.

On the small side, I'd like to see either G3 towers re-introduced, for students or people who need more than an imac, but can't afford a G4 (or a G5?), or, if G5s come out, the continued production of G4 towers .

14.1" LCD Seems resonable.

* 14.1" LCD is al least 1" larger that the viewable area on a 15" iMac CRT[
* 14.1" LCD would be cheaper than 15" LCD, helping to keep prices low.
* iBook LCD is a measly 12.1", and it looks great.
* Remember news reports about some company manufacturing 14" LCD for "new apple laptop (son of pismo)"?, maybe it wasn't a laptop. (or the new iMac form factor confused them into thinking it was)

[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: luiss ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by luiss:
<strong>14.1" LCD Seems resonable.[LIST][*]14.1" LCD is al least 1" larger that the viewable area on a 15" iMac CRT[*]14.1" LCD would be cheaper than 15" LCD, helping to keep prices low.</strong><hr></blockquote>

How much cheaper would it be?

Mastergateing has risen from oblivion, for one last laugh before the big show. Don't be suckers people, the spec sucks.

[quote]Originally posted by geezer1:
<strong>Mastergateing has risen from oblivion, for one last laugh before the big show. Don't be suckers people, the spec sucks.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

The specs sucking make it more realistic I think.

[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: EmAn ]</p>

Part numbers crap numbers

anyoen can fabricate part numbers based upon current part numbers

AND WHY IN THE HELL WOULD ANYONE FROM COMPUSA HAVE THE DAMN SPECS?

WHY?

IF ALL THESE RANDOM PEOPLE DID WHY DONT' THEY LEAK OUT MORE OFTEN?

WHY ISN'T THERE ANYOEN BACKING THIS UP?

HUH?

Boun Rotto (i think)

If there is letdown this time around the blame falls squarely on Steve's feet. After today's promo developments, if there isn't a significant and visible improvement in mac performance on every front (in use and on the spec sheet) as well as a stunning new design, then this show is a cock-up of the first order. And anyone at Apple should have been aware of that. A neat new iToy (camera, PDA, or whatever) just ain't gonna cut it. People pay more for macs than for PC's, we want faster hardware than PC's.

THey NEED to have:

Faster I/O technologies all around: faster firewire, faster ATA especially!

Faster CPU's (Apollo, and G5, and Sahara ready to go for everything from iBook to PowerMac)

LCD iMacs 15"

Faster 3D video for everything. Minimum 32 MB radeon for iMacs. 16MB radeon for iBooks, Radeon 7500M for TiBook, and Geforce 3 standard on at least two of the three powermacs, with twinview the new bottom end for powermac!

Cheaper displays, cheaper desktops (consumer and PRO)

An OSX update with a significant new iApp (photo editor of some kind)

Superdrive across the range on the PowerMacs (included at current prices or at a slight DROP)

ALL of this must come with the price of each machine at least holding to the current points, and some will still need a slight drop even with the improvement.

THAT is a BIG show BEYOND our expectations. Only then will a new iToy or PDA or pad or whatever mean anything. Apple told us to expect more and now they better deliver what we expect.

They ought to know, and if they don't deliver something along the lines of what I described, then the show can only be called a letdown. I think it's entirely possible that the show will be a letdown, but this time it's apple's own fault.

[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
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The specs sucking make it more realistic I think.

[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: EmAn ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Wow that was quick.... but I didn't mean sucks as in disappointing, I mean not making sense. 14 inch screens don't measure up one way or another, and 14 inch crt is a joke. The optical drives configs are unlikely too. :o

If you wanna believe tho, don't let me stop you. We're all entitled to a religion. Right?

[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
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I didn't even notice that. What's the deal with a smaller CRT than they have now?</strong><hr></blockquote>

WHaddya mean whats the deal guys?

I keep telling you there's a market for smaller tubes!

What does sound good to me are the speeds. I remember one of the earlier rumors said the models woul only be seperated by optical drive like the iBook and all speeds would be the same.

[quote]Originally posted by luiss:
<strong>* 14.1" LCD is al least 1" larger that the viewable area on a 15" iMac CRT</strong><hr></blockquote>

ummm not so fast, more like .3 in larger... sorry 14.1-13.8=.3
Still, an improovement. Plus LCDs look larger then CRTs of the same size b/c they dont waste any space.

-Paul

[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>What does sound good to me are the speeds. I remember one of the earlier rumors said the models woul only be seperated by optical drive like the iBook and all speeds would be the same.</strong><hr></blockquote>

1 GHz G3s ARE NOT READY ( according to a lot of people)

Although, in the back of my mind I remember someone saying a little while ago that IBM had like 1GHz G3s last year? Am I imagining things again?

I agree that the imac should have 1 speed accross the line (except low end) to make choice easy for customers. I think it contributed a lot to the iBook's lower cost and mass appeal.

-Paul

[quote]Originally posted by JRC:
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WHaddya mean whats the deal guys?

I keep telling you there's a market for smaller tubes!</strong><hr></blockquote>

And that market would be...

If there are GHz G3's, there would have to be High GHz Apolo's to top them in the pro line. 1.2/1.4/1.6/Maybe 2.0?????

That could be the topper. Maybe Apple knows no one in their right mind is expecting a 2GHz G4 Apolo. And that my friends is beyond the rumor sites!!!!

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About the CPU: I don't think IBM can tune the current G3 up to 1 ghz, it should max out at 800-900 mhz. Sahara is not ready yet, sorry. If Apple wants to do a 1 ghz iMac, they'll have to use the Apollo. Therefore I believe these specs are not true.

About the screen: I think it's not impossible for Apple to use 15" LCDs in the iMac. Note the iPod: the harddisk Apple uses is almost more expensive than the entire iPod if you purchase it. Apple's 15" TFT is currently at 599.-, and I think they can even go down further with the price. That's already the screen and the enclosure, it should be possible to build a 15" TFT iMac for about $US 1200 , maybe the entry modul could still use a CRT.

ITS A TYPO. Of course it means the current CRT´s. Its quite realistic. And then the PowerMacs can start at 866 without overlapping the iMacs (yes I know: "G3 and G4s are not the same chip yada yada...").

If they make a beatiful and functional iMac this would live up to their hype at least for the normal (as in not-AI-member) customer.

A LCD iMac and both the iMac and Powermac getting into the Ghz range is something rather special. Esp. when the RDF have twisted it around a bit.

[quote]Originally posted by macrumorzz:
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About the screen: I think it's not impossible for Apple to use 15" LCDs in the iMac. Note the iPod: the harddisk Apple uses is almost more expensive than the entire iPod if you purchase it. Apple's 15" TFT is currently at 599.-, and I think they can even go down further with the price. That's already the screen and the enclosure, it should be possible to build a 15" TFT iMac for about $US 1200 , maybe the entry modul could still use a CRT.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sounds pretty good and could happen.

[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
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How much cheaper would it be?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not sure, but it usually adds $100 to the price of a laptop (check out dell.com). Of course, if the size and resolution go up, it's an even larger price difference.

I messed up posting this the first time. Sorry for the repeat...

14.1" LCD Seems reasonable.

• 14.1" LCD is 0.3" larger that the viewable area on a 15" iMac CRT[
• 14.1" LCD would be cheaper than 15" LCD, helping to keep prices low.
• iBook LCD is a measly 12.1", and it looks great.
• Remember news reports about some company manufacturing 14" LCD for "new apple laptop (son of pismo)"?, maybe it wasn't a laptop. (or the new iMac form factor confused them into thinking it was)

[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: luiss ]</p>

Those specs sounds right to me. Granted, if better stuff comes out it'll be great, but for iMacs those specs are fine.

I confirm that Apple is hyping more than faster iMacs...

The LCD imacs will only come in one color: ice white (like the iBooks). If you want something different get a Pro machine.

[quote]Originally posted by onlooker:
<strong>If there are GHz G3's, there would have to be High GHz Apolo's to top them in the pro line. 1.2/1.4/1.6/Maybe 2.0????? That could be the topper. Maybe Apple knows no one in their right mind is expecting a 2GHz G4 Apolo. And that my friends is beyond the rumor sites!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I would expect a 2 ghz G5 rather than a 2 ghz G4. This has to do with processor design. The original G4's circuits had been designed for about 400-800 mhz, but they were even too complex to reach this clock speed. The 7-stage-pipeline generation was then meant to run at 600-1000 mhz, but once again they had problems with the pipeline circuits and stuck at about 900 mhz. Now that they can use SOI the silicon finally gets somewhat cooler, and speeds of up to 1200 mhz should now be possible.

There is no way they could have gotten the G4 to 2 ghz (or even at much more than 1.2 ghz) unless they would have made dramatical changes to the pipeline and other circuits of the CPU. This seems very unlikely indeed.

On the other hand I think they have learned their lesson with the G4 and have designed the G5 to work at higher clock rates. A smarter design with 10 stage pipeline, using 0.13 SOI could very well run at 1.5 ghz and above (like the 1.2, 1.4 and 1.6 ghz that have been reported), and even more. Note that Intels logic circuits are generally more than twice as complex as PowerPC versions, and they're already shipping at 2.2 ghz. A G5 at 2 ghz cannot be excluded, neither even faster ones...

Radeon 7000 is just the PC name for what we know as the Radeon Mac edition.

It's officially confirmed that ATI will be releasing the Radeon 8500 (which is new and roughly as fast as a GF 3) and the Radeon 7000 (which is what we know already, low end and cheap model) at MWSF. It's more than likely that Apple is going to use the 7000 in the iMacs, only option would be the GF2 MX, but then again that might just be a bit "too powerful" for a consumer machine. You know Apple never get's everything right.

G-news

Edit: Nevermind, he changed it.
-Paul

[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: psantora ]</p>

Unbelievable. "Those specs are bullshit! And if they're not, they suck! I can't believe we're supposed to be 'blown away' by this!"

Quit whining and take a breath.

1) We have no idea if this is true. Personally, it sounds plausible to me. I'm not going to get out of control over it in either case.

2) The iMac is a simple consumer machine. Those ghz machines (if these specs are on the level at all of course) will be very nice entry-level models for the home user or for office users. The CRT model makes sense as a bone for the education market. I was a little surprised not to see a Superdrive model, but you need a G4 to encode DVD so we won't see one til we see the other.

3) The whole "blown away" hype currently manifesting itself on Apple's website is -- to my mind -- obviously not intended to build anticipation for the iMac. Jobs may have stars in his eyes, but he's not dumb: the stakes are higher now, customers less jaded, and an all-in-one desktop isn't that impressive. If you insist on being disappointed by Apple's new offerings, at least wait 'til the freakin' keynote is over!

[quote]Originally posted by Nonsuch:
<strong>Unbelievable. "Those specs are bullshit! And if they're not, they suck! I can't believe we're supposed to be 'blown away' by this!"
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You don't know that the iMac is what we're supposed to be blown away by.

The specs are in line with what I've expected, except for the LCD size, and if you expect Apple to come up short it also fits. I'd be happy with a 1Ghz ,15" LCD iMac but I'd like more.

Matsu:A neat new iToy (camera, PDA, or whatever) just ain't gonna cut it. People pay more for macs than for PC's, we want faster hardware than PC's.

Oh, I think lots of people are going to be real disappointed come Monday. The people on this board may want faster Macs, but I don't think that's what makes Steve's heart race. And when it comes to Apple, it seems it's what Steves wants that counts, Apple customers be damned if we don't get it.

I don't think "way beyond the rumor sites" means a quad 2 gig AMD G5. Nor a flat panel imac. I suspect we'll see a new consumer doodad-maybe something that be be mounted on that other revolutionary product, you know, it was gonna be bigger than the pc, Ginger, the $3000 scooter for the "rest of us."

Remeber, this is Apple we're talking about!

[quote]Originally posted by Nonsuch:
<strong>If you insist on being disappointed by Apple's new offerings, at least wait 'til the freakin' keynote is over!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually this is a good point.

It is amazing how the pattern always goes:

Some or another MW comes up: people get excited and rumors fly.

Some people say, "No way! Never happen!"

Others say, "I can't wait!"

Some offer words of caution, "Let's just wait and see."

Still others get angry at Steve Jobs for no aparant reason.

Apple comes out with some fairly good stuff: but not good enough.

Some people say, "I told you so!"

Others say, "How could be so dumb--again?"

Still others go on about their lives and buy a new Mac.

But this time

Apple itself has posted, right on its home page, that the universe needs to be put on notice.

That is not normal behavoiur.

I really don't expect that there'll be as many angry people this time around.

[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
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You don't know that the iMac is what we're supposed to be blown away by.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Read my post to the end.

According to the <a href="http://www.ati.com/na/pages/products/pc/radeon_7000/" target="_blank">ATI Website </a> the Radeon 7000 has 32 mb of DDR memory not 16mb.

There is no mixing of CRTs and LCDs, won't happen, also the screen sizes are too screwy.

[quote]Oh, I think lots of people are going to be real disappointed come Monday. The people on this board may want faster Macs, but I don't think that's what makes Steve's heart race. And when it comes to Apple, it seems it's what Steves wants that counts, Apple customers be damned if we don't get it.
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I suspect we'll see a new consumer doodad-maybe<hr></blockquote>
Now that's what I like--a strong vote for intellingent mangement practices.

Consumer market == more sales. And the consumer releases, at least this seems to be their tactic--are always tied to the Mac. Specs don't really matter (that much). Integration and user experience is they key. With that Apple hopes to get more people sucked into Mac world of goodies. Given the absolute commoditzation of PCs this is the only way they can survive and possibly expand.

BTW we would all like to see a G5 sooner or later, but 90% of folks here wetting their pants over a quad G5 wouldn't or couldn't buy one if it wre available today. I suspect, thought that Apple will sell lots of neww iMacs.

[quote] BTW we would all like to see a G5 sooner or later, but 90% of folks here wetting their pants over a quad G5 wouldn't or couldn't buy one if it wre available today. I suspect, thought that Apple will sell lots of neww iMacs. <hr></blockquote>

Speak for the others only. I can and will buy a G5 if it comes out on Monday.

[quote] There is no mixing of CRTs and LCDs, won't happen, also the screen sizes are too screwy. <hr></blockquote>

There is if Apple wants to keep the education market.

[quote]Originally posted by Bogie:
<strong>There is no mixing of CRTs and LCDs, won't happen, also the screen sizes are too screwy.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well I guess we'll just have to wait and see. At first my thoughts were the same as yours but the more I think about it, the more a CRT is better for schools.