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Inside Mac OS X Tiger build 8A323

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Earlier this week, Apple Computer provided its developers with Mac OS X Tiger build 8A323, the third widely distributed pre-release version of its next-generation operating system.

In a five-page seed note accompanying the build, Apple lists over two dozen known issues with the system, in addition to some fixes and improvements over previous builds.

Some fixes delivered in the latest build cover iSight recognition by iChat, font activation, archive installs, SMB filesharing, Finder item locking, Classic, Workgroup Manager, and Login Window.

To compliment the notes, developer sources have provided a pictorial of other known, but undocumented changes to the Tiger OS since build 8A294 was seeded last month:

Spotlight now deactivates itself while indexing is in progress. The Spotlight menu displays a notice to the user, along with a time estimate and progress bar.
A tutorial on Automator, Apple's new automated workflow assistant, confirms reports of an upcoming Automator website from Apple. The document also notes that Automator scripts can be activated through iCal alarms.
QuickTime 6.6 now automatically determines a user's connection speed. With the new version, Apple has also returned fine-tune audio and video settings to the free version of QuickTime player. These controls were previously reserved for paid "Pro" license holders. Meanwhile, Pro users now have access to record audio and video through the QuickTime player.
The fast user switch menu is now operational, sporting shortcuts to the Mac OS X Login Window and Account Preferences.
TextEdit now supports tables and organized lists in addition to page breaks, line breaks, improved text selection, and a beefier 'Find' function.
Apple has added a 'Fax and Print' menu that lets the user toggle fax receiving on or off.
The Mac OS X 'Grab' functions are now accessible from within the Preview application.
The upcoming Apple Hot News screen saver has seen modifications in recent builds. This saver now sports a liquid blue motif.
Address Book has gained support for importing contact information from tab-delimited and comma separated values (CSV) files. The update application will also be capable of printing envelopes and 'mini' pocket-sized versions of a user's address book.
An updated Universal Access preference pane contains controls to increase the size of the mouse cursor.
The Mac OS X Calculator application sports dozens of currency rate updates.
According to sources close to Apple, the operating system is now in the late stages of development. Its expected that within the next 30 days Apple will announce favorable update on Tiger's expected release.

The company continues this month to distribute Tiger solely on DVD, further suggesting the shipping product may also require a DVD drive for installation.
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Tiger just keeps on sounding better and better. Hopefully it will be released early enough that by the time i can afford and buy an iMac, it'll come with Tiger.
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According to sources close to Apple, the operating system is now in the late stages of development. Its expected that within the next 30 days Apple will announce favorable update on Tiger's expected release.

Wow. If true, maybe we are looking at a March release date, not June/July-ish? I'd be pleasantly surprised.
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Uh-oh, I see a Spring Fever marketing campaign looming...

So the input menu went back to the country-specific flag? That's a bit disappointing.

Everything else looks nifty.
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Wow. If true, maybe we are looking at a March release date, not June/July-ish? I'd be pleasantly surprised.

I would think a March release date is all but set. Based on history but also progress they have made. A summer release date would mean this would have had an insanely long development cycle.


It is shaping up to be a beautiful release. I'm a bit dissapointed that we haven't seen them attempt any significant breakthroughs yet though. I keep waiting for that one killer advanced feature no one has thought of yet that will change how we work. Tiger has many improvements that will do so to some but I think the next big breakthrough is a change in the finder. It seems to be the weakest link to me. The entire heirarchy thing just seems tedious. Spotlight changes this in ways but doesn't address the finder as much as makes you avoid it
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If you want something to replace the finder, checkout quicksilver. I find it replaces most of the stuff i do in the finder, and more.
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I think eventually the Finder will be a finder. We will not really need the Finder the way we do now as we get using meta-data more.

Also, I think the one feature from Panther that is still fresh is Exposé. It has not gotten old. It is really useful. I think that this update is all about expanding Mac OS X outwards, with features like Dashboard and Automator, whereas previous updates were about building Mac OS X upwards, such as getting the Finder/Dock to the current state and almost everything in 10.1 and some of 10.2. Although, Spotlight does extend Mac OS X upwards to where it is heading, a completely meta-data based file system (with the exception of the Sites folder).
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I'm a fairly new mac user, got a G5 Dual 2ghz about 4 months ago. And one of the biggest improvements I found over Windows XP (apart from the total stability) was Expose. It is one of the best improvement to speed up work flow, in a long time.
Maybe we won't see any other revolutionary kind of changes to the OS until we start using different hardware, touchscreens anyone?

By far the best thing about Tiger for me, will be the fact that it is 64 bit and so should show considerable difference to the speed ( I hope).
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So the input menu went back to the country-specific flag? That's a bit disappointing.

That's the only reason why I currently display the input menu. I like having the flag of the USA on my menu bar.

I'm glad Apple switched this back...I would've hated to have seen the terrorists win.
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By far the best thing about Tiger for me, will be the fact that it is 64 bit and so should show considerable difference to the speed ( I hope).

Don't expect speedups as a result of 64 bit.
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I'm glad Apple switched this back...I would've hated to have seen the terrorists win.



Yes, because the latest front in the war on "terror" is the OS X menu bar. Watch out! Osama might be lurking just behind the Fast User Switching menuitem!

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Address Book has gained support for importing contact information from tab-delimited and comma separated values (CVS) files.

I think you meant CSV. CVS is something else entirely...
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So by having Grab in Preview, does this mean that they have just integrated Grab and don't have a solo application anymore?

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Doubtful.

Preview's Grab would only work within Preview, is my guess, unless they make it into a Service, and eliminate the Grab Service/App that way.
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By far the best thing about Tiger for me, will be the fact that it is 64 bit and so should show considerable difference to the speed ( I hope). [/B]

lol ;-)
don't expect anything with 64bits, it's just marketing, totally useless if you don't use more than 8Go of memory and terrabyte of data ;-).

you will not see any differences !!!

IMO there are not reason to change to Tiger, i'd tried the last release and i prefer a rack stable panther (now) than change for some useless gadgets.

i will probably wait 10.5
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Don't expect speedups as a result of 64 bit.

Are 64-bit Binaries Really Slower than 32-bit Binaries? discusses that topic, altho' the author's testing was limited to a Sun Ultra-5.
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IMO there are not reason to change to Tiger

Meaning that you have no reason to change.

Anyway, Tiger does seems more targeted towards developers than end users.
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QuickTime 6.6 now automatically determines a user's connection speed. With the new version, Apple has also returned fine-tune audio and video settings to the free version of QuickTime player. These controls were previously reserved for paid "Pro" license holders. Meanwhile, Pro users now have access to record audio and video through the QuickTime player.

Ah now that's excellent news. The audio and movie recording will be very useful indeed. Surely this'll be QT7 eventually, it's the only thing holding me back from a Mac Pro license.
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I would've hated to have seen the terrorists win.

Bush is President so they already did win
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don't expect anything with 64bits, it's just marketing, totally useless if you don't use more than 8Go of memory and terrabyte of data

Your sentiment is correct but your facts are a bit off. Without any special work arounds the 32bit limit actually tops out at 2GB (2^32 -1 = 2GB). I remember a time on other Unix platforms (not that long ago really) when it wasn't possible to address more than 2GBs of memory in a system, or create file sizes greater than 2GB. Linux, prior to the 2.4.0test7 kernel used to suffer from this without the LFS (Large File Size) patches.

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IMO there are not reason to change to Tiger, i'd tried the last release and i prefer a rack stable panther (now) than change for some useless gadgets.

You don't think that Spotlight on its own is good enough reason to upgrade? I'm surprised. I'm really looking forward to that, as I think it's going to give me a huge boost to my productivity.
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You don't think that Spotlight on its own is good enough reason to upgrade? I'm surprised. I'm really looking forward to that, as I think it's going to give me a huge boost to my productivity.

Spotlight and smart-folders will completely change the way you work. You will no longer care where things are on you HD because thanks to Spotlight they are instantly findable/launchable!
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Spotlight and smart-folders will completely change the way you work. You will no longer care where things are on you HD because thanks to Spotlight they are instantly findable/launchable!

That's not so good. I'll have to find a better way of hiding my secret stuff.
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I'm sure you can set a preference which files to show and which not, and hidden files will surely remain hidden. No accidental pr0n-files will show up, no worries
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As good as spotlight sounds, I can't help but think that I wont use it all too much. My college work is in a folder called College Work in the Documents folder. I open Word and a list of all the recently opened docs is right there - no hunting.

iTunes organises my music. iPhoto my photo's. Any music/sound clips not in iTunes is just inside the music folder or in a folder suitably named; any pictures not in iPhoto are the same.

All my files are in aptly named folders, and I really don't see how Spotlight could make browsing my files any easier. I understand if you have files about one project scattered it'll collect them together, but I'd just store them in one folder in the Documents folder.
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Let me give a work example:

One of my clients is Pepsi, and let's say one particular case involves both Pepsi and Apple. Now, I have several documents containing references to this case, be it Word, Powerpoint, Keynote files or even emails. What I do is this: I setup a smart folder with the keywords: Pepsi and Apple and, boom!, all documents about that case are there!! That's a life-saver for me!
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Hmmm, does anybody know if smart folders are fully scriptable? So that there'd be a easy way to, say, show the 20 most used aplications that isn't in the dock. As i imagine that the current interface doesn't allow you to do that, or...?
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I'm not sure just how extensive the smart folder functions are. Ultimately, these things bring cross-referencing back into our lives, something a lot of people got away from with computers, but used more back when library had actual card catalogs. That's one of those things where once you (re)dicover it, you wonder how you ever got along without it.

Searches and smart folders can be overkill of course. The whole Spotlight thing stems from a realization that with larger capacity storage and more advanced uses and users of computers, people are going to be overwhelmed with files and info if they have to do all the janitorial work themselves. If you're not in a situation where you're struggling to place and find your stuff, then smart folders and spotlight can sometimes be more effort than it's worth. Which is why the simple folders approach isn't going away either.
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Will TextEdit open up '.xls' files (excel)? The report mentioned it can now do tables is this an implication?

On the odd occasion some dildo head will send me an excel file, there seems to be no small app like TextEdit (lucky TE opens word doc's) which will open these file types.

I for one refuse to pay for ANY M$ software let a lone expensive Office for this, in fact even if an image of office magically appeared on my hard drive id refuse to install (in such case the image would be bounced into the trash) and use their products.
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Will TextEdit open up '.xls' files (excel)? The report mentioned it can now do tables is this an implication?

Highly doubtful. I'd go so far as to say 'no'.

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I for one refuse to pay for ANY M$ software let a lone expensive Office for this, in fact even if an image of office magically appeared on my hard drive id refuse to install (in such case the image would be bounced into the trash) and use their products.

This is why OpenOffice exists.
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Meaning that you have no reason to change.

Anyway, Tiger does seems more targeted towards developers than end users.

Which means that 5 seconds after new incredible apps come out using the 10.4 technologies, everyone and their dog that hasn't already upgraded will start whining that Apple is abandoning 10.3 users, *forcing* them to upgrade 'just to use an app', and should instead port all the new technologies back to 10.3 so they can get them for free.

People will upgrade to Tiger because the new apps this will enable will be worth it many times over.
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All my files are in aptly named folders, and I really don't see how Spotlight could make browsing my files any easier. I understand if you have files about one project scattered it'll collect them together, but I'd just store them in one folder in the Documents folder.

Great, so you have them all in one folder.

Now you need to do a end-of-year report of all your account expenses - do you:

a) Make a new Expenses2004 folder, and move all the account expense files in there? (Thereby displacing some of the account data from the account folder?)

b) Do the same, but make aliases?

c) Belatedly realize that a & b both require you to manually make sure that *all* accounts are similarly handled any time you add a new account, deactivate an old account, etc?

d) Use Spotlight, and gather all the files into one Smart Folder that updates itself *for* you, and lets you still use per-account as your primary organizational tool? (Not to mention gathering all the email, iCal items, Address Book entries, etc, in one place)

Spotlight is the shibnitz, and looks to be the biggest leap forward in usability in years.
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Highly doubtful. I'd go so far as to say 'no'.

This is why OpenOffice exists.

Im sure your right, it does exist in a free form, probably because its more hideous than M$'s poorest efforts!!!

My criteria again if u missed it, 'a small light app to simply open an excel file'. Perhaps im alone in thinking downloading, installing X11 first then downloading open office at 155meg and installing fits the profile of a small light app
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Any fresh crack on Safari? Has an 'Offline mode' been implemented yet?
Javascript control? eg disallowing scripts from moving and resizing windows?

My longest standing wish - a function which changes the behavior of 'windows opening when a link is clicked' ~ user setting to 'open link in tab' instead. Now i know i can command click a link, but not every link is set to open in a new window, so i must constantly be looking in the status bar for this possible operation. However some pages have scrolling text in the status bar, masking any behavioral info in the status bar :-(
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why wait for all that when you can have (read :: buy) something as elegant as Omniweb 5 which makes full-use of dual-processors. For simple browsing Safari is great, the moment you want something more there's Omniweb, which has RSS right now btw!
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Which means that 5 seconds after new incredible apps come out using the 10.4 technologies, everyone and their dog that hasn't already upgraded will start whining that Apple is abandoning 10.3 users, *forcing* them to upgrade 'just to use an app', and should instead port all the new technologies back to 10.3 so they can get them for free.

People will upgrade to Tiger because the new apps this will enable will be worth it many times over.

Yep. Thanks for finishing my thought that I was too lazy^H^H^H^Hbusy to type yesterday. And, btw, what's shibnitz?
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why wait for all that when you can have (read :: buy) something as elegant as Omniweb 5 which makes full-use of dual-processors. For simple browsing Safari is great, the moment you want something more there's Omniweb, which has RSS right now btw!

OW doesnt allow user style sheets, i wont use it purely for this reason!! Other reasons, OW's draw is very impractical on a powerbook i want a tab bar like Safari, OW, is slow and buggy, and the add blocking is poor compared to pithelmet. OW's URL autocomplete implementation is terrible.

RSS is completely useless to me btw and i dont have dual processors!!!

I only ask for 3 small features in Safari, i love the was the application functions, it just needs a few little extras. OW, i always hated how it operated, it has far too many short comings.
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OW doesnt allow user style sheets, etc (edit)

On a powerbook OW5 in indeed slow unfortunately - on my dual G5 it simply flies. But then again, if you don't like it - it's not for you, somple as that

It's not, however, slow and buggy though. It's an amazing piece of software!
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Yep. Thanks for finishing my thought that I was too lazy^H^H^H^Hbusy to type yesterday. And, btw, what's shibnitz?

shibnitz(n): 1. Da bomb. 2. r0x0rs. 3. bitchin'. cf. Spotlight.
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OW doesnt allow user style sheets, i wont use it purely for this reason!!

defaults write com.omnigroup.OmniWeb5 OWUserStyleSheetLocation
file:///Users/your account/Documents/OWCSS.css
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That's not so good. I'll have to find a better way of hiding my secret stuff.

use Disk Utility and make yourself a 650MB encrypted disk image... or 4.3GB is you need a lot of space. Thats what I do. With a 20 word long password
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