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If today's media covered WWII

post #1 of 15
12/17/04 at 9:00am
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Battle of the bulge

Preinvasion


A couple of well written examples that show how relentlessly negative much of the coverage of Iraq has been. It takes the same methods and applies them to previous U.S. actions that were considered good and right to show how they would have been portrayed in today's climate.

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post #2 of 15
12/17/04 at 9:28am
Today's media would tell the story of evil American imperialists looting and raping their way across the world insensitive to the rights of Nazis to "purify" their culture and of Japanese to slaughter billions of Chinese and Koreans.
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post #3 of 15
12/17/04 at 9:53am
We have the same problem here in the UK - this old granny got minced beneath the wheels of a speeding truck the other day and the media never once mentioned that the vehicle was ok - there was no scuffed paintwork (not that you'd know from the relentlessly negative coverage).

To be fair there was a small bit of coverage about the fact that she was 90 but they never mentioned that her useless life was almost over anyway and one station actually had the effrontery to suggest that some blame might rest with the driver !

Not one single mention of the effort he had to go to in order to try to avoid capture by the Police, AND the extra expense of all that gas, not to mention the resulting trauma of the subsequent trial and press coverage. Both very stressful occurrences.

And that's before we even get to the drain on the resources of the National health service, more trauma for the paramedics - and what about the children for God's sake ? They had to witness this old bat getting pasted beneath the wheels. Who speaks for them ?

I mean wtf - this guy even gave up his own leisure time (when he could have been drinking some more) in order to actually help the police with their enquiries - and why ?

Because some old biddy flings herself in front of his truck in a mindblowingly incomprehensible act of selfishness.

Sick, just sick.

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post #4 of 15
12/17/04 at 10:03am
It would have almost been worth Kerry winning to get the press to cover the war favorably.

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post #5 of 15
12/17/04 at 10:08am
"It would have almost been worth Kerry winning to get the press to cover the war favorably. "

Yep. The same events would have a positive spin.
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post #6 of 15
12/17/04 at 10:13am
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Originally posted by dmz
It would have almost been worth Kerry winning to get the press to cover the war favorably.

Yeah, I know what you mean.

We have the same problem with the BBC - a few weeks back some Black Watch were involved in a firefight and you know what the bleeding heart, pinko commie liberal, Saddam loving, pro-French faggot BBC went and did ?

They showed a fucking report!!!!!!!!!.

From Iraq.

I swear to you, I'm not making this up - you could actually hear the sound of gunfire.

Then an explosion and it cut to a picture of a soldier holding a gun. Obviously they added the gunfire to the soundtrack and edited it carefully to make it look like the soldier had fired the gun - I can see that because I'm smart but some folks fall for this crap.

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post #7 of 15
12/17/04 at 10:20am
Yes the today coverage of the Iraq war is not confortable for US admin.

In that way dictatorial regimes where much better. Stalin, Mao, and Hitler would have never tolerate such a coverage of a war. When the country is in danger no critic is allowed.
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post #8 of 15
12/17/04 at 6:32pm
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Originally posted by dmz
It would have almost been worth Kerry winning to get the press to cover the war favorably.

Yep. As long as the news is accurate, I guarantee you there would have been more positive news coverage coming out of Iraq had Kerry been elected.
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post #9 of 15
12/17/04 at 11:18pm
There are no parallels between WWII and Iraq. If we had the same press coverage we have now during the early Vietnam war (on which we can find many more parallels), we still would have been there for as long -- that is nothing has changed except that the military isn't forced to justify taking young men away from fruitful lives to fight a mockery of a war.

Our maintenance of a standing all-volunteer army reduces the political cost of going to war, and that, ladies and gentlemen, is a bad thing. In WWII, the government had to be able to convince the american people that the war was worth it. No legitimate public discourse over the cost of sending troops (non-monetary, clearly) and the social/economic ramifications of this war has ever occurred -- you either agreed with the president or you didn't, no questions asked.

Fools all of us.
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post #10 of 15
12/17/04 at 11:33pm
If you are comparing the invasion of Iraq to World War 2, then you also need to compare the US to Germany during World War 2. Back then it was a free for all. Humans evolve over time. However some f!@#@! still live in the f!@#!@ stone age and wish all humans were too. They aren't called neo-conservatives for nothing. Everytime the world takes a step forward, they do their best to pull it two steps back.

Also, the reports of the battle of the bulge and preinvasion are acurate reports. You have a lying sack of shit called the media corps covering the war today and a bunch of arm chair jerk offs doing analysis. So I personally think the coverage of WW2 was more accurate. At least Hitler didn't invade other countries with a lie, the USA is doing just that.


$4.6 billion loan write off?! HA, HA! Show us some audit trail of what you did with the f##@ oil over the past year and your arms sale as a direct result of this war. This is a corporate invasion of another country supported by a corporate sponsored Government. You expect everyone to praise it?
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post #11 of 15
12/25/04 at 4:46am
It would be interesting how the right-wing influenced media would go to great length to sweep Prescott Bushs nazi-investments (and the seizure of such) unter the carpet.
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post #12 of 15
12/25/04 at 11:36am
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Originally posted by Smircle
It would be interesting how the right-wing influenced media would go to great length to sweep Prescott Bushs nazi-investments (and the seizure of such) unter the carpet.

Even if these allegations are true (and their veracity is dubious from what I've read)...who really cares? Is it relevant to anything today?
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post #13 of 15
12/25/04 at 11:05pm
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post #14 of 15
12/26/04 at 2:09pm
Trumpt, are you under the impression that it is simply not possible for the US to be initiate a poorly conceived, poorly executed military campaign?

If so, why? Is it that we are uniquely blessed by providence? That something in the American system of governance makes such misadventures impossible? Magic?

Because the unacknowledged premise here is that "all US wars have equal merit, so any difference in the tenor of reporting has to be a function of liberal bias".
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post #15 of 15
12/26/04 at 2:35pm
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Yes lets have some more true neutral reports like these:

http://www.archive.org/stream/MyJapa...1945_256kb.mp4

http://www.archive.org/stream/OurEne...1943_256kb.mp4

And my favorite: The defense for the decision to imprison certain groups of people without the right to a trial for an indefinite time.

http://www.archive.org/stream/Japane...1943_256kb.mp4
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