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post #161 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by LuckyJno:
<strong>it's totally fake. Don't watch it frame-by-frame, but watch it at full speed. Don't you see the words floating slightly differently than their physical surroundings?</strong><hr></blockquote>

We have a winner! I do believe Lucky has our smoking gun, there is quite abit of wiggle going on there. though one could argue that this might have to do with screen refresh or some other nonsense, I think this is it... The object is real, but the screen was added later.

double the size of the playback window, and the wiggle is unmistakable.

Good fake though!

kudos, dipshits

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post #162 of 588
Ok, I've looked at about 50 times, and I think it's a fake.

The menu bars at the top and bottom look like they are fixed, rather than being displayed on the screen.

The handwritten letters have no blockiness in them. They look like post production animations, as does the interpreted text.

If I had to guess, I'd say that someone built a shell to place over a PDA, vidoetaped the hand motions over the fake device, and then used some animation software to add the cursor, the intepreted text and the written text.

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post #163 of 588
I think this is what Apple's refering to when they say "way beyond the rumor sites."

This is a fake. An Apple fake...
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post #164 of 588
Im not sure

remember how the Quicksilver photos had every one saying they were fake? maybe this is the same in that it looks bad due to poor quality cam / lighting / compression.

It could be real, but im not fully convinced.
post #165 of 588
Just to clear that part up: You can get all white baggrounds for your Newton today and many are changing because the light wear off after some years of heavy use.
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post #166 of 588
fake...

give me a handheld video (much harder to fake) and i'd believe.. but it seems to me the screen is superimposed on a well designed piece of plastic.. good job, but not good enough..

also, the interface is definitely not what apple would do, it doesn't have any of the friendliness or good looks of os9 or osx.

but, it definitely made me want an apple pda, a dream i had given up on
post #167 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by AppleCello:
<strong>Im not sure

remember how the Quicksilver photos had every one saying they were fake? maybe this is the same in that it looks bad due to poor quality cam / lighting / compression.

It could be real, but im not fully convinced.</strong><hr></blockquote>

HAHA, very true. I remember EVERY single person at MacNN swore they were fake and each post had "If it's real, it so ugllyyyyy!!!"

I was one as well, that's why I never bought a QS, I thought they were ugly.

I hope we get a G5!!
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post #168 of 588
IT'S A FAKE.!!

After viewing it for a few times I have realised that it is a heat moulded plastic cover...

How did you work that one out, I hear you say...

Well...
1/ None of the features on the surface are actually edged, or separate from the 'main body' as you'd expect froma wheel or buttons etc, a sure sign of vacuum or heat moulded plastic

2/ When his hand leaves the 'iwalk' after writing on it, the side he was on raises a little bit (zoom it in and compare that sides movement compared to the background detail of the desk). This is flexing from the cheap fabricated cover stuck on the real hardware underneath (assuming that that bit wasnt cgi)

Sussed!! :cool:
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post #169 of 588
I don't understand why a PDA would need a scroll wheel and I don't think Apple would use one.

I think the whole PDA would be a color LCD.

this looks like a iPaq or a Handspring with a pretty case and I believe there is software to recognize writing on the screen instead of the well.
post #170 of 588
Expensive fooling but LuckyJno showed them.
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And even before they aired it.

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post #171 of 588
notice how the camera and the device are locked down. nothing moves. a sure sign that the text translation is animated.
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post #172 of 588
As someone just said, if you watch the movie at full frame speed, you can see the screen jitter slightly in relation to the rest of the unit.

This is a fake.
post #173 of 588
Thanks Anders.
I do remember that now. My screen is definitely not as bright as it once was. Doubt I would ever change the screen over now, but a white screen would have been nice.
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post #174 of 588
Yes... the words do "float".

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

Now out of curiosity I hope they post all the videos so that we can see what else they have prepared.
post #175 of 588
ignoring all of the problems with the screen, that apple "scroll wheel" doesnt look at all usable. It looks like its been pried off of the hood of a car.
post #176 of 588
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A scroll wheel would be cool. It was impossible to use the Newton one handed. that was about the only thing I never liked about it. (Other than it was near impossible to sync and backup. Doh!)
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post #177 of 588
However, that scrollwheel is lame.
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post #178 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by LuckyJno:
<strong>it's totally fake. Don't watch it frame-by-frame, but watch it at full speed. Don't you see the words floating slightly differently than their physical surroundings?</strong><hr></blockquote>

i watched it a couple of times looking at what you said, but it looks to me like the change in pressure of the hand on the unit moving it slightly.
but the shadows around the edge of the screen reallt bother me...like they put a sorda apple looking cover on another pda.
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post #179 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by Sith:
<strong>Arrow over to the last frame of the video before it goes to the black spymac logo. Look at the "shadow" between the "iwalk" and whatever the blotch on the right is... any idea what the deal is?

Also, in the lower left of the device, where the white and "tan" meet, there is sort of a blurred spot... i dunno, i'll withhold judgement</strong><hr></blockquote>


The case appears to be clear plastic over white, like the iBook. The "shadow" I would guess is the reflection of the right edge of the device on the table top. The spot on the lower left looks like light reflecting off the case.

I've not used a Newton, so I won't go too far, but looking at the picture of the Newton, the interface looks quite different.

For you Newtonians: is this interface consistent with the Newton? i.e. Did it (or could you make it) look like this? The screen seems much squarer on this unit than on a Newton. Also, I seem to see a bit of "aqua" blue in the upper right corner; maybe it really is a color LCD but this particular app is mainly B&W.

My take: This is a real device, made by Apple, and is not a Newton. I suspect it is a prototype from the Dolphin project (Codename was posting a lot of stuff earlier that matches up with this pretty well). I agree with others that the esthetics and ergonomics make it unlikely to see the light of day as a real product.
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post #180 of 588
I now say FAKE

Check out the Jog dial/ logo: It has problems with the perspective alignment with regards to the rest of the unit.
post #181 of 588
Sorry it took so long to get my mirror up...future ones should go faster....

<a href="http://www.artificialstupidity.com/sayhello.mov" target="_blank">http://www.artificialstupidity.com/sayhello.mov</a>

It'll be there for a while.

I do a lot of post work like this, and the other Mike was correct. Whenever the writers hand hits the prop, it shakes it, someone just used a 4 corner besier warp in After fx or Combustion to basically place a layer on top of the device in perspective. The layer contains the text. Its fairly effective, but if they had been trying to do it correctly, they should have tracked the corners the whole time, rather than just assuming they stayed stationary.

Oh well.

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post #182 of 588
damn I wish I got quicktime pro...
post #183 of 588
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post #184 of 588
Oh my gosh you guys are the same kids who said the Cube was a fake! Note to self... All the self proclaimed photoshop debunkers come out at night...

Look at he following:






And debunk away...

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post #185 of 588
wow. im undecided again
post #186 of 588
Oh and that screen sure looks like it has some color in it... but it's hard to tell..

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post #187 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by Michael X. S.:
<strong> I do a lot of post work like this, and the other Mike was correct. Whenever the writers hand hits the prop, it shakes it, someone just used a 4 corner besier warp in After fx or Combustion to basically place a layer on top of the device in perspective. The layer contains the text. Its fairly effective, but if they had been trying to do it correctly, they should have tracked the corners the whole time, rather than just assuming they stayed stationary.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Given the previous crap this kid has posted, it's obvious that he has access to a pretty good selection of post production trickery, be it three-d rendering stuff, or afterfx, and, personally, being an industrial design student at SCAD, which also has an excellent computer art department, I could easily produce a shell like the one in the video using the vacuum molding facilities in i.d., take some video footage, and then go over to norris hall, import the video, play a little in after effects, and, voilla! another cool, superficially convincing, hoax!

of course, my scruples prevent me from doing this.. anymore...

back when I was in high school i played around in photoshop with my mp130 to make it look like it had a color screen and was running mac os 8, and then, somehow, it ended up on Mac The Knife. But I don't do that stuff anymore.

ciao,

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post #188 of 588
Looks more real than that garage built Quicksilver case. lol
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post #189 of 588
err... damn... at the very least, this is interesting.
post #190 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by DaveGee:
<strong>Oh my gosh you guys are the same kids who said the Cube was a fake! Note to self... All the self proclaimed photoshop debunkers come out at night...

And debunk away...

Dave</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, I did think the Cube was fake -- the "stacking and multi-processing" rumors were part of that. Oh wait, that was fake. Still, I'm typing this on my Cube right now.

I'm not saying that the iWalk is fake, but the video definately is. It's Microsoft-Federal-Court fake.

Oh, and I love the tabs at the bottom of the screen. Does that mean they'll bring popup windows to os X? And windowshade?
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post #191 of 588
<a href="http://www.interfacestudio.net/iwalk/" target="_blank">http://www.interfacestudio.net/iwalk/</a>

We have all the pics up now full res and BIG!
post #192 of 588
where are those movies?
post #193 of 588
Hmm. Damn.

In those pictures the wheel looks like it's inside of a groove.

I think I should just stay quiet and not say it's a fake. I want it to be real so badly. We'll keep hearing arguments pro and against... until Monday. Come on Monday. I wonder what tomorrow's saying will be at Apple's site.
post #194 of 588
damn!.. just as i was sure we had a fake on our hands.. you give us these very good looking pictures.. now i'm all confused...

btw.. spymac.com.. any minute NOW?.. no, not yet.. why aren't they officially releasing?.. i want to see all of their proof, assuming there's more than the 1 video and the recent 3 pictures.

well.. damn.. i'll go ahead and be the first to say.. if it's got airport and its $400 (which would make it VERY hard for them to sell an iPod for the same).. i'd definitely buy one!
post #195 of 588
I'm 75% sure that its a fake.

1/ Even though the screen has a layer which will usually flex a little, the text moves against the guide lines.

2/ Text isn't quite parralel with the guide lines.

3/ He doesn't pick the thing up and turn it around.

4/ He's careful not to lean on it (as to avoid breaking off the glued on doornob)
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post #196 of 588
Now my eyes aren't great but....

I see...

E-Mail, Web, Cards (contacts), Calendar (I'm pretty sure), Quicktime, Chess, iTunes...

Well that's about all I can make out from the pull-up menu (hmmm reminds me of a dock wouldn't you say?)... :eek:

Oh yea this is either one very well planned out hoax or else I'm gonna own an iWak as soon as I can get my hands on one!

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post #197 of 588
My take so far....but first let me add that I'd like to see the photos other than the thumbnail...anyone have them to post?

As for the 2MB movie file...I have to say it is very convincing, and if it's a hoax then somebody's got too much time on their hands.

1) OS - looks too Newton-y to me - I would guess that if Apple were going to release a PDA, it would be more computer and less newton. I would imagine a dock at the bottom rather than those icons - but then again, we're only shown an app and not any OS feature. And maybe the Dock is really those things displayed at the bottom (the center one says "Overview" - being used more for a toolbar for each app. If it came airport-ready and had a fast web browser capable of things like Flash, I think it would sell regardless.

2) Handwriting - I wish there were a shot where a shadow from the hand would pass over the handwriting so I could decide whether it's a layer or whether it's actually something displayed beneath the clear covering of the screen. Right now, the writing looks a bit too crisp to me, with less depth than the converted text.

3) Screen - The battery icon seems to contain color of some sort, but the video quality is so bad it's impossible to tell - gray is so close to blue when hue/saturation is this bad. The saving grace is that the background is white - this would lead me to believe that the screen could be color and the "notepad" or whatever is just not a color app (makes sense). For an example of this, look at the color Palm devices that display white backgrounds rather than gray when an app is not using color. A grayscale display doesn't do this. However, this display still doesn't seem backlit enough to me to display color well.

4) The "wheel" - who knows? I haven't seen a good picture of it - maybe it's not as bad as it looks, or serves some purpose. Things like that have happened before. But I agree - it's an odd departure from Apple's recent clean/minimalist designs.

5) 2x - this could be the most damning evidence I could find of a hoax...watch this video in quicktime at either "double size" or "fill screen". Notice that while the iWalk and application graphics seem to move with pressure changes from the hand/pen, text does not. Watch the "Say hello to iWalk text" after it's converted to type...the lines above and below it move, but the text itself remains still between them. In the last moment of video before black, the hand is taken off of the iWalk - the whole device makes a slight but distinctive position change as the hand's pressure is completely removed from its surface, enough to change the angle/reflection of the screen - but that of the text does not change accordingly. In other words, i think the guy could knock this thing off the table, and "Say Hello to iWalk" would still be nicely displayed on the empty desk.

It's good, but I think it's a hoax.

-S

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post #198 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by Michaelm8000:
<strong><a href="http://www.interfacestudio.net/iwalk/" target="_blank">http://www.interfacestudio.net/iwalk/</a>

We have all the pics up now full res and BIG!</strong><hr></blockquote>

1st and last movie are errors.
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post #199 of 588
Someone over at Press 3 (formally MacOSX.com) posted the picture of the MWSF 2002 picture folks have been talking about. Looks different than what this "iwalk" looks like.

<a href="http://www.press3.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=11426" target="_blank">http://www.press3.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=11426</a>
post #200 of 588
I'm not saying one way or the other (although, with apologies to Fran, I hope it is fake, as I have no need for a PDA).

However, "iwalk" does not currently show up as a registered trademark...read into that what you will.

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