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post #281 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:15pm
It looks like some of the screens are just pieces of paper that they shoved into the thing. Notice how the main part of the screen rotates slightly in bootup.mov when the toolbar appears. The industrial design is also crap. The power button also rotates the screen!

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post #282 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:16pm
If this is real we will know in a few hours after the standard announcement is palced about the pics and movie being removed by the request of Apple legal. If it is still active by tomorrow noon, it's a fake. If Apple sends the legal dogs at em' we have a genuine iWalk.
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post #283 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:16pm
[quote]Originally posted by Michael X. S.:
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Oh yea, and about it never moving and being on at the same time, if I made a prop like this, and was doing such an elaborate hoax, the extra 20 minutes to acurately nail the layer on to a moving screen would be worth it.

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I would have thought it would be worth it as well, but it seems if it is fake, they didn't think it was worth it. The timing just seems odd. The flip, twist and rotate the thing and then he seems to carefully position it in the desk and the video ends, and picks up again with a close up shot. But, why would you clip right there, just before you turn the unit on? To keep the clip small?...well, then shouldn't the shot atleast flow from one to the next? Instead it seems that he was posing it at the end of the first video, in preparation for a new shot....he even moved his hand out of the way of the shot, before reintroducing his hand in the next shot to turn the device on...why so deliberatly move the hand from the shot, unless you knew you were going to have to start a new shot with a posed unit.

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post #284 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:16pm
[quote]Originally posted by ThinkDifferent1984:
<strong>For anybody that can't get the bootup.mov:
go to my website
<a href="http://151.202.177.225:8888/iwalk/" target="_blank">http://151.202.177.225:8888/iwalk/bootup.mov</a>
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iwalk/4891

it should work...i don't have too much speed so it's only 5 at a time

[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: ThinkDifferent1984 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why is yours 2+mb, and the original is only 600K?
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post #285 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:17pm
Sorry about that! I posted the wrong address first! the correct address is <a href="http://151.202.177.225:8888/iwalk/bootup.mov" target="_blank">http://151.202.177.225:8888/iwalk/bootup.mov</a> with the login and pass from the earlier post
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post #286 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:18pm
<a href="http://www.iwalktoschool.org/" target="_blank">http://www.iwalktoschool.org/</a>

<a href="http://www.iwalk-free.com/" target="_blank">http://www.iwalk-free.com/</a>

<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Outback/5736/" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Outback/5736/</a>

<a href="http://www.iwalk.org/" target="_blank">http://www.iwalk.org/</a>

<a href="http://www.iwalk.de/" target="_blank">http://www.iwalk.de/</a>

hmm...
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post #287 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:18pm
[quote]Originally posted by Odinn5:
<strong>If this is real we will know in a few hours after the standard announcement is palced about the pics and movie being removed by the request of Apple legal. If it is still active by tomorrow noon, it's a fake. If Apple sends the legal dogs at em' we have a genuine iWalk. </strong><hr></blockquote>

If it's a fake and they're really *that* good, they'll fake the Apple legal action, too. Only the absence of legal action will prove anything.
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post #288 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:19pm
anyone have an ftp where i can upload these for preservations sake, and for all the people who cant get bootup.mov to work. I fixed it by exporting it once i got it to find turnaround.mov
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post #289 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:19pm
After seeing the bootup movie, what I think is interesting is what I thought was a flaw with the scrollwheel. You could accidentally hit it and your screen could change orientation while you were writing.
It would appear that you first turn the scroll and then push the button on the bottom to make it flip. The apple points in the correct orientation.
Doesn't seem as elegant as a usual Apple innovation but interesting none the less.
Still think it is fake but as a Newton lover I want to believe!
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post #290 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:20pm
BTW, for those of you who noticed that iWalk isn't trademarked, remember that iTunes was originally dubbed iMusic. Steve Jobs even slipped up and called it iMusic at it's introduction. The same could go for this (if it's indeed real) and the iWalk name could be a placeholder.

And if this is real, I'm gonna be ROFLMFAO at all you guys. I remember being one of the first to argue that <a href="http://users.netmcr.com/~bsmith/images/trinity.jpg" target="_blank">this pic</a> was faked because of the "jagged antialiasing" and funky lighting on the Apple logo.
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post #291 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:22pm
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[quote]Originally posted by ThunderPoit:
<strong>About the german, im a little rusty (its been a couple years). i cant quite make out the first word, but the last word is definatly "spitze" which in german means "sharp" or "stylish" so im assuming that whoever is commenting is stating that the iwalk is very stylish or very sharp.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I hear the same. Spitze as in cool, great.

The boot up .mov: Why so bad quality? And the wheel thing again. And the colour change from nothing to start up and from start up to notes? It seems fake to me.

I am now at 97,5% fake. But why have anyone gone so far to fool us? Isn´t it strange it comes on the same day as the apple count down logo? It seems mighty strange to me

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post #292 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:22pm
[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:
<strong>I remember being one of the first to argue that <a href="http://users.netmcr.com/~bsmith/images/trinity.jpg" target="_blank">this pic</a> was faked because of the "jagged antialiasing" and funky lighting on the Apple logo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You mean that isn't a fake?

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post #293 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:23pm
Oh yea, that's a good one

"Okay, why is that screen so damn bright and readable even under shadows despite the fact that there is clearly no backlight? It looks suspiciously like a high quality printer paper jammed behind a sheet of clear plastic."

how do you explain the videos?
The only explanation I could see for this leak is it could have been an early prototype.
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post #294 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:23pm
You are probably right LuckyJno. But it's the best I could come up with. Everyone seemed to have something to say and I felt a little left out. I hope it is real but then again I just bought an iPod and my Apple budget is gone. I would hate to know this iWalk is real and see it in the local Apple store but not be able to buy one.
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post #295 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:24pm
Do prototypes often have FCC approval?
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post #296 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:24pm
I also find it interesting on the bootup movie that the on button can be pressed without making the iWalk move on the table at all! That must really be a sensitive button.....
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post #297 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:24pm
Another reason for thinking it is fake is the Apple/wheel. WTF is that? I can't imagine Apple wasting that much real-estate on the front of the unit to orientation setting. Most people will prolly change the orientation a couple times in a month. I only ever changed it on my MP a few times when i first bought it. Some people will change orientation many times a day, but I can't see Apple making it the dominant interface control for the device.

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post #298 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:26pm
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You people have to remember that this is probably a pre-production iWalk or iWhatever, and every photo we have seen of a pre-production Apple product that turned out to be real was shoddy, or was modyfied. This could be a very early iWalk, they aren't going to get it right on the first, second, third try, etc. The iPod took near to a year to develop. I seriously doubt that it looked anywhere near as good as it does now back when they were still working out the design.

As for that little jitter you see, its probably some artifact. Or the fact that the lcd may be loose, the edges around the lcd are raised up quite a bit and something else is moving, etc.

I am seeing no conclusive evidence that this is either real or fake, although I am leaning towards real.
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post #299 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:27pm
[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
<strong>But why have anyone gone so far to fool us? Isn´t it strange it comes on the same day as the apple count down logo? It seems mighty strange to me</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why? Just to watch all the folks on the rumor boards go crazy for a night. For the same reason some people sent envelopes filled with talcum powder pretending it was anthrax.

As for the hard work, couldn't this have been a student project by some manufacturing/design student? If you've got the goods (a modified Newton case) and a couple of pals with video experience, why not?
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post #300 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:27pm
i don't know either way but i think I would buy one. Anyone esle at least like it a little
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post #301 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:28pm
[quote]Originally posted by SMacSteve:
<strong>Oh yea, that's a good one

"Okay, why is that screen so damn bright and readable even under shadows despite the fact that there is clearly no backlight? It looks suspiciously like a high quality printer paper jammed behind a sheet of clear plastic."

how do you explain the videos?
The only explanation I could see for this leak is it could have been an early prototype.</strong><hr></blockquote>


*paste into this rectangle from this frame to that frame* *paste over that rectangle from that frame to the that frame over there* etc... The videos are just a series of pictures themselves. Note how the screen on the video looks so drastically different from the ones in the pics. Look how incredibly reflective the screen is in the pics relfecting the shadow of the person, even the ceiling light, while the video doesn't reflect squat. The one with handwriting has already proven to be a fraud.
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post #302 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:28pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Tulkas:
<strong>Another reason for thinking it is fake is the Apple/wheel. WTF is that? I can't imagine Apple wasting that much real-estate on the front of the unit to orientation setting. Most people will prolly change the orientation a couple times in a month. I only ever changed it on my MP a few times when i first bought it. Some people will change orientation many times a day, but I can't see Apple making it the dominant interface control for the device.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Damn right. It isn´t a visible feature on the MP normally so why suddenly make it hardware? And why turn, press button? It isn´t logic
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post #303 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:29pm
[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:
<strong>the iWalk name could be a placeholder.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Good point. I hope so. iWalk is pretty lame...
Although it IS on the unit, so I dono...


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post #304 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:31pm
I would love to see this be true while hoping that is an early preproduction model.

It was on their site at the end of October though and it would be hard for me to believe that this is going to happen.

I wanna believe...
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post #305 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:34pm
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Just checked my mail. Got this from one who couldn´t register himself while we were still looking through the first one:
[quote] iWalk Fakery

Open the sayhello.mov and double the window size, then play. Look carefully
at the font text that appears as a result of the handwriting recognition.
You'll see that the iWalk is jiggling slightly from the pressure of the
guy's hand, but the type is absolutely rock-solid. The only explanation for
this is that the type isn't really there. It's a layer plopped on top of
real video of a prop. Once you zoom in on sayhello.mov in Quicktime Player,
it's really obvious. FYI...

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So we were not the only ones.

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post #306 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:35pm
I think this is a very early prototy of a Apple PDA we will see at MWSF. juging my the old apple logo in bootup.mov it is probebly about a year old. it looks nice thogh!
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post #307 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:39pm
[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
<strong>Just checked my mail. Got this from one who couldn´t register himself while we were still looking through the first one:


So we were not the only ones.

[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: Anders ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

OK. now I'm pissed! I just got my hopes up for no good reason. I can see it the letters don't move and the iWalk does! This was a nice try and I'm not sure why such trouble was taken to fake this, but it's too bad. I really want to see a Apple PDA. Bummer!
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post #308 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:41pm
nevermind

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post #309 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:41pm
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Okay to those of you saying sayhello.mov is fake, here is my reply. About the handwriting being to crisp, we arent back in the newton days, this is 2002, and we have quartz baby.

As for the little screen moving, nah, its just that the plastic case isn't recessed enough and it appears to move because it is slightly further away.

And about the guys hand being out of line, this is an illusion. The writing motions he is making correspond with the writing on the screen, and it's very hard to look at what is on the screen and what the guy is writing. It's not like writing on paper folks, there is distance between the writing surface and the actual screen image itself. this wouldn't matter at all if it was head on, but this is at an angle.
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post #310 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:42pm
Just a small additional comment about the original video. While the type does seem to be on a seperate layer, the masking job on the hand is absolutely phenomenal. While there are mistkaes, generally mistakes in a hoax are fairly consistant. The motion blurs, even in still shots, are spot on, so if faked, it makes little sense that they would make the other, more amateur, mistakes.

I'm clueless but leaning towards it being some sort of real prototype of something. Regardless if it actually exists, if we ever see it again is another story.

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post #311 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:42pm
Forget everything I said before. Stare at the text on the writing movie. Stare only at the text. See how the *rest* of the image shakes a bit? Wow. Stare at it long enough and it's plain as day. No question: Fake.

Great effort, though, kudos to them.

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post #312 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:48pm
Apparently everyoen is forgetting that Apple OFFICIALLY announced that they had no plans for a PDA and they weren't planning on planning one.



I haven't seen the movies - but I've seen my roommate put a cheesy 3d object on to video of our coffee table.

It took him all of a few hours, with tracking points in 3d space - and it was pretty damn convincing that the object was moving in 3d space.
This is also including complex shadows.

the fact that Apple did not register iWalk as a trademark cinches it.

Period.

End of story.
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post #313 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:55pm
Wow, I was pretty stoked for a minute there.

I only wish there was a portable. Fran411 must be in tears.
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1/2/02 at 10:56pm
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I'm looking at the part in the movie where the guy lifts his hand off and you can see the writing in full for a second (of iWalk). The subtle movement before it fades (I think this may be an artifact, should pop off imediately) hints that it is moving...if the fading is an artifact then the artifact wouldn't move.

I am also lining up key points (the top of the W, etc.) and they look pretty close to be faked.
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post #315 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:56pm
Tomorrow morning, Steve will be laughing his ass off! I too think there will be some reference to this hoax on Apple's site come tomorrow.

The OS on the sayhello and bootup movies is obviously faked. The turnaround movie is deliberately vague. Also, there's no way in hell these things would be anywhere but Taiwan and Cupertino.

Very, very entertaining. Can't wait until Monday night.

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1/2/02 at 10:59pm
[quote]Originally posted by ThinkDifferent1984:
<strong>Sorry about that! I posted the wrong address first! the correct address is <a href="http://151.202.177.225:8888/iwalk/bootup.mov" target="_blank">http://151.202.177.225:8888/iwalk/bootup.mov</a> with the login and pass from the earlier post</strong><hr></blockquote>

guys downloading from his server. sorry for the slow transfer rates. when we posted it we got 150 hits. our aDSL just can't keep up with the demand. I have lowered the max connections to 4 so if you get locked out be patient.

BTW, why are most of you on windows machines?
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post #317 of 588
1/2/02 at 10:59pm
One other thing.

Shouldnt uh . . . the screen be emitting light?

Because . . . it's not. (in the pics)
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1/2/02 at 11:00pm
Doing and reading this 'detective work' is a hell of a lot of fun.
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post #319 of 588
1/2/02 at 11:02pm
I understand some of us don't belienve this ( I do) but some of your "it's fake because of xxx" is simply hilarious. I've watched all the movies. I've watched them at full screen, I've watched them frame by frame forwards and backwards. This may not be an Apple product, but it is a real object. Unless someone has the keys to Steven Speilbergs special effects studio (EL or something) these are not done in Bryce or some animation app.

I am a believer that the device is real. Whether it comes out or not remains to be seen.

Just wanted to be on record
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1/2/02 at 11:02pm
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[quote]Originally posted by tonton:
<strong>Tomorrow morning, Steve will be laughing his ass off! I too think there will be some reference to this hoax on Apple's site come tomorrow.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes my suggestion this time is:

4 days to MWSF
No it isn´t the iWalk. Fooled you.

(edit: please don´t edit your post while I am using it )

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