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post #321 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by cinder:
<strong>One other thing.

Shouldnt uh . . . the screen be emitting light?

Because . . . it's not. (in the pics)</strong><hr></blockquote>

My Visor Edge doesn't.
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post #322 of 588
Pretty amazing what you can figure out when you have a common purpose. So far we have clues from the display at its edges, the date on the display, the outlets in the room, the light "bleed," etc. What next, Elvis in the frame?
post #323 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>Forget everything I said before. stare at the text on the writing movie. stare only at the text. See how the *rest* of the image shales a bit? Wow. Stare at it long enough and it's plain as day. No question: Fake.

Great effort, though, kudos to them.

[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

I just noticed, if you look very very very very carefully and closely at some of the letters he writes, the ink sometimes bleeds slightly into his hand/skin. It's not much but it's not natural. At one point when writing the second word it looks like he's got a little bit of translucent skin if you look carefully either that or it looks like he nibbled some skin off (doesn't look like hair) the otherwise perfectly straight thumb right where that letter is. It's very hard to spot.

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post #324 of 588
KidRed, *please* study the printed text in the writing movie closely! It simply does not flow the movement of the rest of the unit. It is the only totally static object in the frame. when the person takes their hand away from the device is the give-away more than anything else. He nudges the unit but the text doesn't budge. It is a real object, but it did not work like how they showed it.

[edit: it's actually more noticeable before he removes his hand. the device clearly gets "giggled" slightly a moment before he finishes writing.]

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post #325 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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My Visor Edge doesn't.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, but this is a color screen. Edges are monochrome.
post #326 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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My Visor Edge doesn't.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It does when you activate the green backlight.
post #327 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>I understand some of us don't belienve this ( I do) but some of your "it's fake because of xxx" is simply hilarious. I've watched all the movies. I've watched them at full screen, I've watched them frame by frame forwards and backwards. This may not be an Apple product, but it is a real object. Unless someone has the keys to Steven Speilbergs special effects studio (EL or something) these are not done in Bryce or some animation app.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No one is saying the device is not real. It is the OS which is faked. The device does not actually operate.
post #328 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
<strong>(edit: please don´t edit your post while I am using it )[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: Anders ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



Taiwan uses the US plug. The "C" type plug seen in the video (that's a screw in the middle) can be found all over Europe, some parts of Africa and some parts of Asia.
post #329 of 588
KidRed has the best signature. I start laughing every time I read it. Never fails.
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post #330 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>Pretty amazing what you can figure out when you have a common purpose. So far we have clues from the display at its edges, the date on the display, the outlets in the room, the light "bleed," etc. What next, Elvis in the frame?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thats what I said. We should form CAI (Center for Active Intelligens). Give us three hours, an internet connection, the Apollo footage and a couple of bottles of everyones personal favorite drink and we´ll find Osama exact location +/- five meters.
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post #331 of 588
Oh my gosh kids...

You mean to say you find 'insert your favorite strangeness' with a compress quicktime movie... Geezzz then you guys should look at some of the other quicktime movies on the net... we have a lot of hoaxes all over the place...

I'm on record, this IS real and when/if I'm proven wrong I'll be man enough to say so... I just wanna see all you guys do the same.

Fair enough?

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post #332 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
<strong>Give us three hours, an internet connection, the Apollo footage and a couple of bottles of everyones personal favorite drink and we´ll find Osama exact location +/- five meters.</strong><hr></blockquote>

LOL! Excellent post.
post #333 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>KidRed, *please* study the printed text in the writing movie closely! It simply does not flow the movement of the rest of the unit. It is the only totally static object in the frame. when the person takes their hand away from the device is the give-away more than anything else. He nudges the unit but the text doesn't budge. It is a real object, but it did not work like how they showed it.

[edit: it's actually more noticeable before he removes his hand. the device clearly gets "giggled" slightly a moment before he finishes writing.]

[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


Ok. I did. And. Wrong. The text does move. I enlarged the QT window to full screen and pasted stickies on my screen for reference and it so clearly visible that the text "iWalk" moves as his hand leaves the unit and wieght is shifted. Sorry, but now I totaly believe this is real. If you guys don't believe the OS part, after closely following this part as recommended it has absolutely convinced me and I recommend you to enlarge your QT window and paste some stickies on the screen for reference points and you'll clearly see the text move.
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post #334 of 588
Fair

But even then it was an sleek, expensive looking but nonfunctional futuristic plastic thing. They might have gotten it to work later but at the time of the footage it was clearly not operational.
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post #335 of 588
Are there any other new mochups on the web that anyone knows of? That was a great one. Best I've ever seen if it isn't real.
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post #336 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by onlooker:
<strong>KidRed has the best signature. I start laughing every time I read it. Never fails. </strong><hr></blockquote>

hehe, thanks Didn't know anyone ever read or cared about it
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post #337 of 588
crazzzy ish...
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post #338 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by DaveGee:
<strong>Oh my gosh kids...

You mean to say you find 'insert your favorite strangeness' with a compress quicktime movie... </strong><hr></blockquote>

Dave has a very good point. You cannot forget that this video is not DV. It has been compressed and some of the information has been lost. So you can't take everything you see in it at face value. Granted, that means you can make the video mean whatever you want it to mean. But you already knew that

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post #339 of 588
My vote is that this is a fake, but probably the best fake I have ever seen. I've seen dozens of "Apple PDA" photoshop jobs, but they were all pretty obvious fakes. This one is very elaborate. I can't believe that Apple would make something with that huge doorknob button. (Next thing you'll tell me that they will make a computer fit into an 8" cube! ;-)

Also, if you will look at the top of the device, you can see the join where the top and bottom of the device meet. It looks like the casement of a firewire harddisk enclosure or something. I doubt Apple would release something that looks like this.

I have been using PDAs for years, and if it were real this screen would have to have a very high resolution screen. The images look way too smooth for a normal PDA, even one with a VGA screen. Not impossible, but it seems unlikely.

Also, the placement of the stylus is very odd. I have never seen a PDA with a stylus in the lower left-hand corner. Vertically oriented devices like Palms and Pocket PCs will almost always have the stylus in the upper right. Horizontal PDAs like the older Japanese Sharp Zaurus will have the stylus in the upper or lower right. The only people who would find this position convenient would be left-handers, and whether it is fair or not, things are pretty much always designed with the right-handed majority in mind.

I will say, though, that they certainly did their homework. The OS on the screen really does look like what a "modern" version of the Newton OS might look like.
post #340 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>


Ok. I did. And. Wrong. The text does move. I enlarged the QT window to full screen and pasted stickies on my screen for reference and it so clearly visible that the text "iWalk" moves as his hand leaves the unit and wieght is shifted. Sorry, but now I totaly believe this is real. If you guys don't believe the OS part, after closely following this part as recommended it has absolutely convinced me and I recommend you to enlarge your QT window and paste some stickies on the screen for reference points and you'll clearly see the text move.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Look at the text *as* he's writing. Even though the unit is shaking a little bit, the text remains absolutely motionless. That last little nudge is the only movement in it. Probably just moved the layer upwards a little after noticing he had pushed the unit up a little.
post #341 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by icruise:
<strong>Also, the placement of the stylus is very odd. I have never seen a PDA with a stylus in the lower left-hand corner. Vertically oriented devices like Palms and Pocket PCs will almost always have the stylus in the upper right. Horizontal PDAs like the older Japanese Sharp Zaurus will have the stylus in the upper or lower right. The only people who would find this position convenient would be left-handers, and whether it is fair or not, things are pretty much always designed with the right-handed majority in mind.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The iBook has both USB ports on the left side. Not very convenient for a right-hander to run the mouse cord around the back, is it? Never underestimate Apple's stupidity.
post #342 of 588
How would someone get a hold of one of these???

Unless steve made this to throw us WAY off! lol!!

if so he's lost his mind
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is it just me or does the "bootup" movie not work?
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[quote]Originally posted by icruise:
<strong>My vote is that this is a fake, but probably the best fake I have ever seen. I've seen dozens of "Apple PDA" photoshop jobs, but they were all pretty obvious fakes. This one is very elaborate.

[...]

I will say, though, that they certainly did their homework. The OS on the screen really does look like what a "modern" version of the Newton OS might look like.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes the first winner here are those who did it. That is real talent. Now go use it to better the world instead oftrying to fool us

The second winner is LuckyJno, who pointed out exactly what was wrong with the first movie.
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[quote]Originally posted by SkullMac:
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The iBook has both USB ports on the left side. Not very convenient for a right-hander to run the mouse cord around the back, is it? Never underestimate Apple's stupidity.</strong><hr></blockquote>

This has more to do about the laws of physics than stupidity. It seems a stylus placed there would be prone to sliding out a lot or getting snagged and left behind in your pocket. So this coupled with the extremely springy on button makes this PDA a pocket disaster. You put it into your pocket, the lightest touch hits the on button and the battery drains. You take it out, pen slides out and you find out that it's dead and you've lost all your data. Plus that stupid useless knob that could have easily been reduced to an icon has been pressed up against you all day. What a design nightmare this device is.
post #346 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by Nebrie:
<strong>

Look at the text *as* he's writing. Even though the unit is shaking a little bit, the text remains absolutely motionless. That last little nudge is the only movement in it. Probably just moved the layer upwards a little after noticing he had pushed the unit up a little.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I did. I used the same method agian and the text "Hello" moves as well.

Are you guys enlarging this and puting tape or stickies on your monitor for point reference? If you did, I'm sure you'd see what I am seeing. The text moves. All of it.
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post #347 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by WeEeEeEdAsH:
<strong>is it just me or does the "bootup" movie not work?</strong><hr></blockquote>

It didnt work for me in the beginning, but there was a site posted (p.7 or 8 i think) that had the movie that worked for me. I dunnno it is weird. Also TCO had some good comments on how to make it work, but they did not work for me.

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post #348 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by WeEeEeEdAsH:
<strong>is it just me or does the "bootup" movie not work?</strong><hr></blockquote>

It does work. Have you tried again? Also, go to <a href="http://www.interfacestudio.net/iwalk/" target="_blank">here</a> they all worked for me.
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post #349 of 588
I have posted the Movies on my site and they all work now.
<a href="http://www.stovalldesign.com/iwalk" target="_blank">here</a>

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post #350 of 588
broadband users can dl from the other servers.
modem users can go here:

<a href="http://151.202.177.225:8888/iwalk/bootup.mov" target="_blank">http://151.202.177.225:8888/iwalk/bootup.mov</a>
post #351 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>

I did. I used the same method agian and the text "Hello" moves as well.

Are you guys enlarging this and puting tape or stickies on your monitor for point reference? If you did, I'm sure you'd see what I am seeing. The text moves. All of it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, I did exactly that, and the hello does not move until the very end. Also look at the lines around the hello. The rest of the unit which includes the lines around it is moving up and down very slightly. However the hello remains at my exact stickies measurements till the end when that shift occurs.
post #352 of 588
In the picture showing a close-up of the web browser you can clearly see that the "bezel" of the case overlaps the screen. It actually covers the scroll bar on the right.
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post #353 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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the iPod HD is a Type II PC card.

same size as an airport card. it could fit in there</strong><hr></blockquote>


No. It is not a PC card.
post #354 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by Northform:
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No. It is not a PC card.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

actually its the exact same form factor and they sell a PC card version.

no rolleyes needed ass
post #355 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by Northform:
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No. It is not a PC card.
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he meant in terms of size

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Edit: or applenut can defend himself, either way...

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post #356 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by psantora:
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he meant in terms of size

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[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: psantora ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

exactly. thank you
post #357 of 588
"SayHello" :

In between the leather case and the iWalk you can see a "ghost" pen which they have tried to hide... doh!



Bluring and obvious edits in between these two frames (a scroll wheel mouse is damned handy for this stuff).



The above mentioned "wobble" is also bloody obvious... (Mkae the movie full screen and watch the words "say hello" most obvious around 7 seconds through)
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post #358 of 588
I just noticed that while the iWalk is off the screen is grey (the colour of monochromatic displays) instead of black (the colour of every colour LCD I have seen handheld or otherwise). Would Apple be using a new type of LCD? I think not. Check out a pic of a visor prisim, palm 3c, palm m505, compaq ipaq, etc. and you will see that all of them have black screens when they are off, but their b&w counterparts have grey screens when they are off. This should cast serious doubt in the minds of all believers.
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post #359 of 588
[quote]Originally posted by Northform:
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No. It is not a PC card.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Technically it is not a PC card, since it lacks the proper interface for it to be plugged into a PC card slot, but it is the same drive used by Toshiba in their series of mobile PC card drives. I think the original poster's point was that the drive was small enough to fit into this size device, and I agree.

One thing that hasn't really been addressed is how is this thing connecting to the internet? There seems to be no modem or compact flash slot. Does it use airport? It doesn't seem particularly useful for it to only be able to use the internet via airport, since that means you have to be within about 100 feet of a airport network -- you might as well use an "actual" mac. (I think it would cool to use a PDA on airport, mind you, but I don't think that this would be a particularly compelling feature for most -- I think most people would prefer some form of mobile internet).
post #360 of 588
backstage pass to the future????
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