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The Macworld Expo in San Francisco will play host to Apple's iPod flash player, and may also yield faster PowerBook models.

Apple Computer is poised to unveil its long-anticipated flash memory-based iPod digital music player at next week's Macworld Expo in San Francisco, sources have re-confirmed to AppleInsider. The player has reportedly been under production since last December.

While details surrounding the player's physical look and feel remain a bit of a mystery, sources confirm that the iPod flash will sport an initial capacity of 1GB.

Apple is reportedly preparing for an aggressive marketing campaign around the player in Asian markets, where its hard disk-based players have arguably underperformed. According to sources, the player will retail in China for 999 HKD (Hong Kong Dollar) or approximately $129 - $149 USD.

Mac rumor site Think Secret also claims to have confirmed that the player will debut in 1GB form, but does not rule out the possibility of a second configuration boasting dual 1GB flash modules (or 2GB of total capacity for $199). True to previous reports, the site also confirms that the players are currently under production in Taiwan by ODM, Asustek.

Also next week Apple is rumored to increase the capacity of its iPod mini player to 5GB with the aid of 5GB ST1 drives from Seagate Technologies.

Faster PowerBooks

Meanwhile, sources say that Apple also holds a PowerBook G4 upgrade in the pipeline -- rumored to be the last G4 bump before the laptops acquire G5 processors in the second half of 2005.

Sources say Apple will increase the speed of its high-end 15-inch and 17-inch PowerBooks to 1.7GHz with 1.667GHz G4 processors from Motorola's freescale division. The models are also expect boast improved graphics processors.

Tipsters also add that Apple has already begun to accept orders for these revised laptops in some markets, though it remains unclear exactly when they will debut and ship to retail.

While little information is available on changes to the 12-inch PowerBook, insiders suggest this model would likely be upgraded to a 1.5GHz G4 processor.
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Its great to see the PowerBook line updated but there is still such a huge performance gap between the PowerBooks and the PowerMacs. When are we going to see some G5 PowerBooks???

My G4 PB 1.5Ghz can't hold a candle to my friend's iMac G5 1.6Ghz, even though I have twice as much RAM!!!
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Originally posted by baranovich
Its great to see the PowerBook line updated but there is still such a huge performance gap between the PowerBooks and the PowerMacs. When are we going to see some G5 PowerBooks???

Read the article again, you may be surprised to find your answer.

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My G4 PB 1.5Ghz can't hold a candle to my friend's iMac G5 1.6Ghz, even though I have twice as much RAM!!!

The problem is that if they use G5 chip they have now, you may actually be able to light a candle with that PB.


I'm happy with the news, since my wife has had her finger above the "buy" button for the last month.
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Its great to see the PowerBook line updated but there is still such a huge performance gap between the PowerBooks and the PowerMacs. When are we going to see some G5 PowerBooks???

My guess is at WWDC where I imagine 64-bit will be the running theme. We should see both the PowerBook G5 and 3 GHz DP PowerMac G5 announced there, both shipping with 10.4 preinstalled of course.

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Originally posted by 1984
My guess is at WWDC where I imagine 64-bit will be the running theme. We should see both the PowerBook G5 and 3 GHz DP PowerMac G5 announced there, both shipping with 10.4 preinstalled of course.

=(

I can't wait that long. I guess I'll just have to settle for the pBook they are about to put out.
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When are we going to see some G5 PowerBooks???

This was a rhetorical comment... I know that we should see G5 PB's sometime this year.
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i dont think they will sell the 1666.6666 mhz g4 as a 1.7

with a 9.5 multiplier we could get a 1583.3333 mhz g4

it will probably end up being the current 1.5s and new 1.66s

but they did 1.42 (8.5 multiplier)
so 1.58 could happen i quess
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This may be a silly question, but with this update, what chip will be used, and does it fix or lessen the FSB issue with current PBooks?
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This may be a silly question, but with this update, what chip will be used, and does it fix or lessen the FSB issue with current PBooks?

That is exactly what I was wondering. I thought I read somewhere that the new G4s from Freescale had a 200 MHz front side bus?
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That is exactly what I was wondering. I thought I read somewhere that the new G4s from Freescale had a 200 MHz front side bus?

The other questions I have are whether the new PBooks will have a faster Superdrive (Pioneer has an 8x available from what I understand) and whether the graphics upgrade will be the 9800 or a mobile X800?.
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Originally posted by nathan22t
i dont think they will sell the 1666.6666 mhz g4 as a 1.7

with a 9.5 multiplier we could get a 1583.3333 mhz g4

it will probably end up being the current 1.5s and new 1.66s

but they did 1.42 (8.5 multiplier)
so 1.58 could happen i quess


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Although ATI currently lists X800 as a PCI-E mobile product, I think they are only vaporware right now.

This reminds me of a rumour that appeared at MR one month ago:
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/...09142551.shtml

The 12" should get a 9700 imho, because the current fx5200 won't be able to deliver good performance in coreImage intensive applications.

As for the 15" and 17" pbooks, standard 9700 128mb would be welcomed, since a lot of wintel laptops already have them.
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Originally posted by Spytap

The other questions I have are whether the new PBooks will have a faster Superdrive (Pioneer has an 8x available from what I understand) and whether the graphics upgrade will be the 9800 or a mobile X800?.

I don't think Pioneer makes laptop drives let alone slot-loading ones. I haven't checked. However, Matsushita now has a slot-loading 8x DVD-R drive available and Apple has always used them in the past. Some have already upgraded their aluminum PowerBooks with them in fact.

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I don't know what to do!!! I want a Powerbook, and I plan to sell my iBook, but should I wait for a G5 Powerbook?

I guess I could get this Powerbook update, and then sell that Powerbook to help me buy a G5 next fall or winter. At least iBooks and Powerbooks hold some decent value.
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Originally posted by Zaelsius

This reminds me of a rumour that appeared at MR one month ago:
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/...09142551.shtml

I'm not sure what to think. On the one hand the AI report seems to support it (as little info as they have shared) but on the other hand it was thoroughly debunked. It's never a good sign when the anonymous source starts posting in the forums. His screenshot was manipulated among other things. Still, we don't really know if they are both the same person. Here are the specs that were posted:


12" - upgrade to 1.5 Ghz G4, BT/AE built in (like the new iBooks), 80 GB HD, Mobility Radeon 9700 (64 MB) Price $1399

15" - upgrade to 1.67 Ghz G4, BT/AE built in, 80 GB, Backlit keyboard standard, Mobility Radeon 9800 (128 MB VRAM) Price - $2299

17" - Same as 15" except 17" display - $2599

Take it for what it's worth. Add in the 8x Superdrive as it is available and it would be just plain foolish for them to leave it out. I would hope they stick with two 15" configurations though. I wouldn't mind a 1.5 GHz along with those new specs for say $1799.

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Originally posted by Boukman
That is exactly what I was wondering. I thought I read somewhere that the new G4s from Freescale had a 200 MHz front side bus?

This is from memory, but I believe the 7447b has the same 167Mhz bus as the current PBooks. I think the question is whether Freescale has their 7448 ready, which does have a 200Mhz bus (and a 1 MB L2 cache). It's still not much of an increase though.

I doubt this will happen at MacWorld. There's just too much on the plate already, and this isn't an exciting enough bump. It'll happen a week after MacWorld.
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I don't think Pioneer makes laptop drives let alone slot-loading ones.

my PC has a pioneer Slot-In DVD Drive... last time i checked pioneer was the only one that acutally had PC DVD Drives with Slot-In.
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My PC has a Pioneer Slot-In DVD Drive... last time I checked Pioneer was the only one that acutally had PC DVD Drives with Slot-In.

To my knowledge every laptop Apple has ever shipped with has had a slot-loading drive from Matsushita where as Pioneer has been used on the desktop. This can be checked with System Profiler in the Utilities folder in OS X if anyone's curious. I know of only one slot-loading DVD drive from Pioneer and it is for desktops.

EDIT: Had to dig deeper but it looks like Pioneer does make a slot-loading Superdrive for laptops and it's 8x as well so Apple has multiple choices here. I'm curious now as to what drives Apple is using in the current aluminum PowerBooks. Perhaps someone can check using System Profiler as mentioned above. I do know that Apple has always used Matsushita for their slot-loading drives but perhaps they make an exception with the Superdrive versions.

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looks like a powerbook update they could have announced a few months ago. i mean, why wait until mwsf when the powerbooks obviously deserve a major upgrade (overhaul) but all they get is a minor speedbump.
it's been 9 months now...
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looks like a powerbook update they could have announced a few months ago. i mean, why wait until mwsf when the powerbooks obviously deserve a major upgrade (overhaul) but all they get is a minor speedbump.
it's been 9 months now...

Unless they have been waiting on the 7448 chip. If it ships with a 7447b I'll be pissed.

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It looks like Apple has two choices for a Superdrive:

Pioneer DVR-K04 vs Panasonic UJ-835B

I'm glad I looked into this more. Let us all hope they use the Pioneer. Overall they both have the same specs except the Pionner can burn CD-RW at 24x (as opposed to only 10x on the Panasonic) and the Pioneer also supports Dual Layer burning at 2.4x which the Panasonic lacks completely. Don't screw this one up Apple! Keep your fingers crossed everybody.

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Unless they have been waiting on the 7448 chip. If it ships with a 7447b I'll be pissed.

the 7448 is only sampling in january! it's not supposed to be in production until june or so. i don't think apple would get chips 6 months ahead of schedule. if this rumour is true, it will 99% be a 7447b.

btw, i'm definitely hoping for the pioneer dvd burner too - if apple can't give us a powerbook g5 i hope they can still make it a good deal for the money.
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The 7448 is only sampling in january! it's not supposed to be in production until june or so. i don't think apple would get chips 6 months ahead of schedule. if this rumour is true, it will 99% be a 7447b.

Well that stinks. I blame you.

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Yeah it is strange that they've waited so long just for this minor bump. I was almost beginning to think they had a G5 ready, given the time between updates. Maybe they're trying to time this update with when they think the G5 PowerBook will be ready, and maybe they know that won't be ready for 9 months or so. So they try to prolong this update a bit in order to not have a really really long wait until the G5 update.
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I hope 100GB 5400 HDDs will be an option too. Both Seagate and Hitachi are making them, so we should cross our fingers also here
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Huh? Que? Wha? Oh, and WTF?

well im not an expert or anything but here are the very basics about how it sort of works...

the processor speed is a multiple of the system bus speed.
for many G4 systems (and the powerbooks) that is 166.66667mhz.
simply quoted and stated as 167mhz.

the approximations to show what has been going on recently and what the future might hold for any systems based on similar architecture...
167 x 8 = 1333mhz (1.33Ghz)
167 x 8.5 = 1420mhz (1.42Ghz)
167 x 9 = 1500mhz (1.5Ghz)
167 x 9.5 = 1583mhz (1.58Ghz)
167 x 10 = 1667mhz (1.67Ghz)
167 x 10.5 = 1750mhz (1.75Ghz)

if i read it correctly, the article suggests that a 1667mhz system would be sold as 1.7

that would be like if apple had sold the 867mhz PowerMac as 900mhz
it would be a lie... and not really necessary.
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Freescale lists the 7447B as 1500 MHz and 1667 MHz parts among other slower offerings. Such a small increase in clockspeed though. Let's hope they give us the Pioneer 8x Superdrive as well as a 100GB hard drive as an option. I have a feeling they will announce these a couple weeks after Macworld though.

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The other questions I have are whether the new PBooks will have a faster Superdrive (Pioneer has an 8x available from what I understand) a


since all the desktop machines now have 8x superdrives, i think it would be insane not to include them in any powerbook update. it is supposed to be the top of the line in mobile processing, so it realistically cant have a crappier burner than the emac!

in the past apple has always just said "superdrive" and given the speeds in the fine print, but in the powermac lineup on the website they specificallty state "8x superdrive"

looks like a good selling point... esp while waiting for the g5
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my MWSF 12" pBook (if we can't have a G5):

- 1.7ghz g4
- widescreen (or at least a better resolution like 1280 or 1440)
- 80gb hdd (100gb option)
- ati mobility 9700 (ati mobility 9800 option)
- 8x superdrive standard (w/ dual-layer burning)
- 5+ hour battery life
- maybe a slightly new design (fix the warping)
- $200 price drop

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well, i gave it a lot of thought, and i think i'm going to wait until june (unless appleinsider's sources are incorrect).

another six months with a 600mhz g3

i just figure that it's worth waiting and taking a chance on new technology because i know it'll have to last me for 4+ years of university. perhaps in 4 years, things will be migrating to 64-bit. you never know.

if a new generation of powerbooks is released at wwdc, there will likely be massive delays, so if my powerbook doesn't arrive soon enough, i imagine that i can cancel my order and just look around for one of the last generation ones.

i would think that it wouldn't be too difficult to find one at that point - everyone would be selling theirs to get a new g5.
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since all the desktop machines now have 8x superdrives, ...

Nope. The Matshita UJ-825 in the iMac G5 only burns 4x DVD-R.
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Nope. The Matshita UJ-825 in the iMac G5 only burns 4x DVD-R.

oh well that sucks!! tho 4x media is half the price (at least where i live it is)

i guess its a slot-loading issue (my sister's emac is 8x dvd-r but tray loading)

well, i still think the powerbook would benefit from a faster drive, since it doesnt have a lot else new going for it (even though its still the best laptop available)
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Nope. The Matshita UJ-825 in the iMac G5 only burns 4x DVD-R.

No sense putting anything faster in there anyway since vertically mouting it limits the speed. Stupid design. Form over function. They did everything they said they would never do when they designed the iMac G5. I really wouldn't be surprised if the next eMac (if there is one) is downgraded to a 4x drive just to keep it in line with the iMac.

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Its great to see the PowerBook line updated but there is still such a huge performance gap between the PowerBooks and the PowerMacs. When are we going to see some G5 PowerBooks???

My G4 PB 1.5Ghz can't hold a candle to my friend's iMac G5 1.6Ghz, even though I have twice as much RAM!!!

G5 kicks ass, no doubt about it ... iMac G5 is really the best value ever offered by Apple for the amount of computing performance you get
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Originally posted by nathan22t

if i read it correctly, the article suggests that a 1667mhz system would be sold as 1.7

that would be like if apple had sold the 867mhz PowerMac as 900mhz
it would be a lie... and not really necessary.

Actually, the way I read the article, Apple is receiving 1.667Ghz chips from Motorola and overclocking them to 1.7Ghz and putting them in 1.7Ghz Powerbooks. Which sounds fine with me.
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Originally posted by nathan22t
i dont think they will sell the 1666.6666 mhz g4 as a 1.7

with a 9.5 multiplier we could get a 1583.3333 mhz g4

it will probably end up being the current 1.5s and new 1.66s

but they did 1.42 (8.5 multiplier)
so 1.58 could happen i quess

Why the hell would they revise with the same proc or a 166 mhz speed bump. All for a new graphics processor? Doubt it. There are already 1.7 upgrade chips that are low temp.

I can barely imagine people upgrading for a small 200mhz speed bump. That's pretty petty, even for a laptop. If they do release 1.7ghz models, I'll most certainly be buying the 1.5 model and be just as happy.

 

 

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As far as the calculated clock speeds go, you can go actually use non-half multipliers... for example:

167 (fsb) * 10.25 = 1711.75

Apple has had processors overclocked but rated them under that before. I believe it was last generation 12" iBook was rated at 1ghz but if you went to apple profiler or used ioreg -l you would see that the processor was actually 1.050ghz (extra 50mhz :P)

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One thing I'd definitely be disappointed with is if they DIDN'T lower prices. I mean a small speed bump like that after a year!! At least lower the prices since we're buying the same models .

 

 

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My guess is at WWDC where I imagine 64-bit will be the running theme. We should see both the PowerBook G5 and 3 GHz DP PowerMac G5 announced there, both shipping with 10.4 preinstalled of course.

I'd bet my wallet that they (the g5 PBs) aren't released at WWDC if the new revs are released at MacWorld. 5.5 months isn't enough time for a rev. Granted if they were hypathetically released at WWDC there would be a 2-3 month wait time. So it may even out. But I believe apple is trying to get away from doing that. Instead announcing with about a week's shipping time is a lot more conforting and get a lot less cancelled orders (which causes chaos).

So if a new g4 rev is announced, don't hold your breath for the g5.

 

 

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My iBook is 1.07 GHz so an extra 70 MHz. I wouldn't mind a 15" with a 1.5 GHz processor along with the new graphics, larger hard drive and faster Superdrive. The reports only mention one configuration for the 15" however. I hope they don't stop offering two 15" configurations. That would be bad.

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My iBook is 1.07 GHz so an extra 70 MHz. I wouldn't mind a 15" with a 1.5 GHz processor along with the new graphics, larger hard drive and faster Superdrive. The reports only mention one configuration for the 15" however. I hope they don't stop offering two 15" configurations. That would be bad.

Thank you for setting me straight on the speed of the iBook, I couldn't remember the exact # so I took a shot in the dark .

I wouldn't mind a new powerbook with a 1.5ghz proc as long as they are cheaper than what they are now .

And yah I really like the 2 different configs, so a 1.5 and a 1.7 would be cool. As long as you can upgrade the video memory in both of them this time.

 

 

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