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post #41 of 88
1/3/02 at 6:19am
That is a little strange, but I would attribute it to a loss of frames in the video or something, rather than evidence of fakery (keep in mind that I still think it is fake, just for different reasons). The thing is that I'm pretty sure that the physical "iWalk" actually exists, and is not the result of any kind of video trickery. It wouldn't be that hard to create something like the iWalk, and it would certainly be easier than trying to fake all or part of it digitally. The real fakery is related to the shots of the OS in action.
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post #42 of 88
1/3/02 at 6:30am
[quote]Originally posted by onlooker:
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I'll be crying if Apple cant produce one, or something similar.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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post #43 of 88
1/3/02 at 6:39am
NO WAY that piece of junk is real. At best it's a touched up vid of a torpedoed prototype. Did you see how he gingerly touched the on 'button', and gingerly 'turned' the wheel? Please... And it's the same clumsy size as the Newton. And watching that handwriting nonsense just made feel sick. It's impossible, we CANNOT be going back to 1993! Jobs is unpredictable but he ain't stupid. If he delivers this crap on Monday I WILL write him a letter telling him his posters are OFF MY WALLS FOR GOOD!

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post #44 of 88
1/3/02 at 6:41am
[quote]Originally posted by icruise:
<strong>That is a little strange, but I would attribute it to a loss of frames in the video or something, rather than evidence of fakery ...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Then how do you explain the fact that the finger moves smoothly but the wheel "jumps"?. And also, why does the finger go "through" the wheel at that point when the wheel is purported to be a solid material?
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post #45 of 88
1/3/02 at 6:48am
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post #46 of 88
1/3/02 at 6:51am
First of all this is a low res video. Secondly, the same "it's a fake" comments preceeded the pre official unveiling of the see -thru iMac revision... most said it was photoshopped and absolutely fake. (Of course it turned out to be right on). If this is a fake it is a very elaborate one. Because of the poor res the screen does look like black and white in some photos. However, it definately is a color screen. The dark color is probably due to a polarizing sheet over the screen to cut down on glare. Wanna bet the videos and photos disappear before the end of the day?

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post #47 of 88
1/3/02 at 6:51am
looks like sony cliescreen covered up....
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post #48 of 88
1/3/02 at 7:00am
Fake or not Fake .... that's the question...

Fake... but i want something like that without the wheel and with a bigger screen... an iPad Tablet !
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post #49 of 88
1/3/02 at 7:11am
[quote]Originally posted by Nostradamus:
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Then how do you explain the fact that the finger moves smoothly but the wheel "jumps"?. And also, why does the finger go "through" the wheel at that point when the wheel is purported to be a solid material?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Codename?! Did you see my post in "G5 - The Truth" where I said you should change your name to Nostradamus? Did you actually listen to my suggestion heheh

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post #50 of 88
1/3/02 at 7:19am
[quote]Originally posted by MacsRGood4U:
<strong>First of all this is a low res video. Secondly, the same "it's a fake" comments preceeded the pre official unveiling of the see -thru iMac revision... most said it was photoshopped and absolutely fake. (Of course it turned out to be right on). If this is a fake it is a very elaborate one. Because of the poor res the screen does look like black and white in some photos. However, it definately is a color screeen. Wanna bet the videos and photos disappear before the end of the day?</strong><hr></blockquote>

If I wasnt in England I'd bet you $100. Who was it pointed out handwriting is a layer (made in something like After Effects)? Just watched that video clip again, yup it's a layer. These things can happen as artifact of compression, but not this time, because the date header on the screen is stable, while the handwriting jitters. Watch the clip carefully, your eyes focused in the space between the header and the handwriting, and you'll see, it's unmistakeable.

Why oh why do SpyMac bother? Wasting people's time like this, getting them to register? We all used lame Hotmail addresses for that right? So f**k spymac, I'll never go there again. Wankers.
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post #51 of 88
1/3/02 at 8:06am
[quote]Originally posted by olli_g:
<strong>This one proves to me, that this iWalk thing is a fake. In the "Bootup" movie, the hand moves the wheel, but the wheel stays where it is. But after some moments, the wheel snaps to the point where the finger is.

View it here in slow motion:
<a href="http://www.olivergruber.ch/stuff/iwalkfake.mov" target="_blank">www.olivergruber.ch/stuff/iwalkfake.mov</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

yep... i noticed that too. it´s obviously a fake. looks like spymac is trying to get some hits on their webpage. i mean, maybe we´ll get an pda, who knows, but if, it won´t be what you are delivered on the spymac website.

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post #52 of 88
1/3/02 at 8:12am
What gives me pause is this:

<a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000058&p=7" target="_blank">http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000058&p=7</a>

Codename seemed to be hinting at this very device a couple weeks ago in the "G5 - The Truth" thread. The image he posted looks like the identical interface/OS to that shown in the iWalk.

Makes me think this is legit - however, I do think it is a prototype, not the final product.
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post #53 of 88
1/3/02 at 8:16am
"Mainstream" press picks up on story:

<a href="http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2101964,00.html" target="_blank">http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2101964,00.html</a>
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post #54 of 88
1/3/02 at 8:18am
Hey folks...

<a href="http://www.spymac.com/archive102301.html" target="_blank">http://www.spymac.com/archive102301.html</a>
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post #55 of 88
1/3/02 at 8:23am
giant, that's an old obvious fake. The new iWalk pics are definately in the style of the iPod and iBook. Quanta is probably making them. 4 more days!
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post #56 of 88
1/3/02 at 8:38am
[quote]Originally posted by TJM:
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Codename seemed to be hinting at this very device a couple weeks ago in the "G5 - The Truth" thread. The image he posted looks like the identical interface/OS to that shown in the iWalk.

Makes me think this is legit - however, I do think it is a prototype, not the final product.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No. One of the big things this year at Macworld will probably be MPEG4 related...

Ask Kormac.

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post #57 of 88
1/3/02 at 8:44am
[quote]Originally posted by Nostradamus:
No. The big thing this year at Macworld will probably be MPEG4 related...
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Now you're talking... I do think there'll be new hardware, but it'll be along these lines. NOT a Newton2002/iWalk.
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post #58 of 88
1/3/02 at 9:00am
[quote]Originally posted by Nostradamus:
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Ask Kormac.

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post #59 of 88
1/3/02 at 9:06am
So fake

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post #60 of 88
1/3/02 at 9:28am
On top of it all, we're also asked to believe that Apple wrote their own web browser!

It's fake simply for the fact that Apple said they would not release a PDA.

PDAs are dead, people.
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post #61 of 88
1/3/02 at 9:30am
[quote]Originally posted by Nostradamus:
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No. One of the big things this year at Macworld will probably be MPEG4 related...

Ask Kormac.

[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ooooh yea listen to Nostradamus people he predicted it all long ago in the 12th "Bvke of Fayingf und Prophefy":

"In the Yar of Kabbage, during the phirft month of the Moon menftrual cycle, a klok maker of klokf wiser than the Fwiff kukoo klok fhall make a think of many thinkf, like a pasture of three meadowf one atop the other, rich in the goodies of life, and to this by the will of the Providence they fhall add a fourth meadow, that keepeth all the fheep of the worlde, and it will be magik. Holland will profit greaatly by it. All fhepherdf fhall want a klok of this kinde."

Well, I think that's pretty clear, don't you? He's obviously talking about an iPod 2 device doing wizard stuff with MPEG 4 and Firewire...
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post #62 of 88
1/3/02 at 9:32am
[quote]Originally posted by MacsRGood4U:
<strong>giant, that's an old obvious fake. The new iWalk pics are definately in the style of the iPod and iBook. Quanta is probably making them. 4 more days!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Do I need to spell it out for you, chief? These folks have been working on this mockup for a couple months. The design is quite obviously not in line with the iPod, esspecially when you consider the jog wheel. Believe what you want, but you will be dissapointed when you realize they just whanted to get your e.mail to sell to a marketing firm.
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post #63 of 88
1/3/02 at 9:33am
Don't forget that almost all of you thought that the Quicksilver pics that were leaked were fake..."no way Apple will have that speaker just hanging out there..." Many thought the Cube pics were fake..."an 8" Cube for a computer? No way, Meader is on drugs!"...
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post #64 of 88
1/3/02 at 9:45am
[quote]Originally posted by Bodhi:
<strong>Don't forget that almost all of you thought that the Quicksilver pics that were leaked were fake..."no way Apple will have that speaker just hanging out there..." Many thought the Cube pics were fake..."an 8" Cube for a computer? No way, Meader is on drugs!"...</strong><hr></blockquote>

The cube and the Quicksilver...we had such little to go on. This...this is just TOO much.

No way ANY Apple employee is going to shoot VIDEO of a new product before its announced. Not after the Worker Bee thing and just posting pics.
Not only that but the user is clearly male, white and speaks German. Apple could easily narrow it down if they did send out units.

I'm glad I used my "spam" email address because I'm sure I'll be signed up for a million german schizer porn lists by next week. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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post #65 of 88
1/3/02 at 10:05am
Something that got my attention was that it had to startup. Have anybody seen a modern PDA have a startup screen? Palm, PocketPC? I don't think so. It would be pretty stupid of Apple to release a PDA that is not instant on. But it could be a prototype, which could explain it...
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post #66 of 88
1/3/02 at 10:07am
[quote]Originally posted by TJM:
<strong>What gives me pause is this:

<a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000058&p=7" target="_blank">http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb. cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000058&p=7</a>

Codename seemed to be hinting at this very device a couple weeks ago in the "G5 - The Truth" thread. The image he posted looks like the identical interface/OS to that shown in the iWalk.

Makes me think this is legit - however, I do think it is a prototype, not the final product.</strong><hr></blockquote>


No it doesn't. not the slightest bit. That's an OS 9 app, it doesn't look anything like the spymac interface.
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post #67 of 88
1/3/02 at 10:12am
[quote]Originally posted by olli_g:
<strong>This one proves to me, that this iWalk thing is a fake. In the "Bootup" movie, the hand moves the wheel, but the wheel stays where it is. But after some moments, the wheel snaps to the point where the finger is.

View it here in slow motion:
<a href="http://www.olivergruber.ch/stuff/iwalkfake.mov" target="_blank">www.olivergruber.ch/stuff/iwalkfake.mov</a></strong><hr></blockquote>


You're right, and when the wheel does move, it suddenly jumps from here it was all the way to where it starts to move. At the same time, the hand continues to move the wheel at the same rate it wasn't a frame drop over there or something.
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post #68 of 88
1/3/02 at 10:22am
It's final. iwalk is not a registered trademark. Don't believe me? Look it up yourselves..

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post #69 of 88
1/3/02 at 10:36am
The best reason I can think of to say the iWalk is fake, is that spymac.com faked an object called the iWalk before... that dumb, gray notebook-looking thing.

Obviously one of the spymac guys is an industrial design pro, or at least an ID student or something. One of my friends was an ID student, and these look like the kind of "product mockup" projects they were required to make in school. Believe me, I've seen mocked-up kitchen scales, toasters and other products that looked just as "real" and retail-ready as both versions of the iWalk on spymac.com, but none of those models really worked.

Lots of people thought "Alien Autopsy" was real too. To me this is the same thing -- fairly convincing, but not quite all the way there.
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post #70 of 88
1/3/02 at 10:45am
[quote]a scrollwheel to turn the screen?

Come on...I don't think Apple would use the scroll just for that if that at all. Can't imagine writing on the screen, accidentally hitting the wheel...oops. Screen flipped to new orientation. <hr></blockquote>

Actually, in the video, you have to turn the wheel and then press the button underneath it (power button?); a safety, I suppose.

My big concern there is that the wheel takes up the bottom quarter of the device... that's an enormous waste of space for a function that could just as easily be implemented by a sliding switch on the side of the unit; my hope would be that, if real, the wheel would be more of a browser, like the wheel on the iPod.

I'm convinced the iWalk is real; that is, someone has built it, I'm just not sure that Apple has. If it's a fake, it's a very elaborate fake, and very drool-worthy.

If it's real, then it would pretty much validate the previous iWalk that SpyMac reported on, which may have been a prototype unit.
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post #71 of 88
1/3/02 at 11:00am
these guys at spymac almost did it... but they have absolutely no sense for proportions. everytime when they fake something (this time it has been close...) they paste in such a big big apple... that is not the way apples hardware looks right now and in the future...

therefore it is a faked isomething!!!
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post #72 of 88
1/3/02 at 11:24am
The wheel not turning in bootup.mov also changes color when it finally decides to follow the finger. What it looks like to me is an actual model first that was overlayed with a CG turning one and they got the timing wrong.

Like with the lightsabers in the old Star Wars. They would first stand there with no blade for ignition, stop the camera, someone would run out, stick the blade into the handle (or exchange it for a new one), then start the camera again. You would sometimes see a little jump.

It looks like that.

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post #73 of 88
1/3/02 at 12:17pm
[quote]Originally posted by MacAgent:
<strong>The wheel not turning in bootup.mov also changes color when it finally decides to follow the finger. What it looks like to me is an actual model first that was overlayed with a CG turning one and they got the timing wrong.

Like with the lightsabers in the old Star Wars. They would first stand there with no blade for ignition, stop the camera, someone would run out, stick the blade into the handle (or exchange it for a new one), then start the camera again. You would sometimes see a little jump.

It looks like that.

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Maybe, but the point I made earlier is that there is no good reason for them to have made the button from CG. Give me a couple of days and I could whip up something that looks pretty much the same and that would actually turn. Then again, just because it doesn't make any sense doesn't mean that they didn't do it...
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post #74 of 88
1/3/02 at 12:24pm
I agree with the post above, and I'm surprised nobody has said it before. The way the button reflects the hand and all - I think it was a physical thing actually on the model. This is supported by the fact that it exists in all shots, not just the ones where the iWalk isn't moving. Assuming iWalk is a hoax, which is what this discussion assumes, a CG wheel would have had to follow the movement of the iWalk in the "turnaround" video. If they were going to do this, why on earth wouldn't they peg an image to the screen as well in order to make it look like it was turned on.

I think a better explanation is that either the guy's thumb was merely glossing the side of the wheel and didn't catch it enough to turn, or maybe the model was just poorly made and it took a bit of force or play before the dial moved.

It's also my opinion that whatever happened combined with a badly-timed glitch in the video or skipped frame, which misses the point where it does start to move (it's a quick operation). We all know the frame rate on this thing isn't the best and it's compressed...probably explains why the image appears to "jump" a little once it does start moving.

Not to say it actually does anything or that it's a real product, but I believe the wheel to be an actual physical object, and thus its odd movement has physical, not CG trickery, explanations.

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1/3/02 at 12:30pm
At this point (after noon on the day after the posting, PST), doesn't the fact that "thousands" of people have seen their movies, yet none of those are Apple lawyers demanding they remove them, constitute compelling evidence that it's a fake?
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1/3/02 at 12:36pm
[quote]Originally posted by Mithras:
<strong>At this point (after noon on the day after the posting, PST), doesn't the fact that "thousands" of people have seen their movies, yet none of those are Apple lawyers demanding they remove them, constitute compelling evidence that it's a fake?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I already wrote a post on this. Basically I said it tells us nothing, because.

1. If there are lawyers' demands, many will say that SpyMac made it up in order to complete the hoax.
2. If there are not lawyers' demands, some will say that Apple knows that sicking lawyers on SpyMac constitutes admission of iWalk's existence. Given the widespread nature of the photos/videos, it's to their advantage at this point to simply keep people in doubt until Macworld. Especially since most think the thing is a hoax to begin with.

So you see - no matter what happens with Apple Legal, this forum will be no more or less decided.

-S
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1/3/02 at 1:27pm
When I first watched the video, my jaw nearly dropped. Then I started to watch it closely. I noticed both the camera moving but not the text, and the scroll wheel making a huge jump in position and color in just one frame WITHOUT A DROP OF A FRAME. It is obvious that the frame is still there because the finger is still moving while it is touching the wheel that is not moving.

It is a fake, I would bet $100 on the fakery.

To whoever made it: I am very impressed! It really looks does look real.
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post #78 of 88
1/3/02 at 1:39pm
[quote]Originally posted by SpiffyGuyC:
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I already wrote a post on this. Basically I said it tells us nothing, because.

1. If there are lawyers' demands, many will say that SpyMac made it up in order to complete the hoax.
2. If there are not lawyers' demands, some will say that Apple knows that sicking lawyers on SpyMac constitutes admission of iWalk's existence. Given the widespread nature of the photos/videos, it's to their advantage at this point to simply keep people in doubt until Macworld. Especially since most think the thing is a hoax to begin with.

So you see - no matter what happens with Apple Legal, this forum will be no more or less decided.

-S</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, but what about the 10.2 pics on the site???

I think apple might not even know about the site??

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post #79 of 88
1/3/02 at 1:43pm
[quote]Originally posted by psantora:
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Yes, but what about the 10.2 pics on the site???

I think apple might not even know about the site??

-Paul</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not anymore...

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post #80 of 88
1/3/02 at 1:45pm
Technically, Apple Legal could demand for the video to be down even if it is a fake. They could claim improper usage of their logo.

So, whatever Apple Legal does will not tell us much.

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