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post #121 of 290
Look this image and you will understand.
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Looks to me like our special "tool" is going to be a shim, just a little chunk of metal/plastic that slides in under the edge of the case and depresses the hooks.

If an Apple certified tech can do it, I'm fairly sure I can. And if I can't, well, bugger it, that's what Apple stores are for.

"Wait and see" is such a horrible way to intercede into this argument, but really we're hollering at the wind right now. I'm buying one, I've got a few friends to consider it as well (quite a few six year old IBM e-series towers and eMachine wonders out there that I have to fix - I keep hearing the phrase "I'm phoning home, dad'll buy me that."

Higher education: Picking parents pockets into increased Apple marketshare(tm)

Edit: English apparently not my first language what with the spelling today.
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post #123 of 290
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Originally posted by PB
Look this image and you will understand.

Nasty, looks like I'm going to have to use the ol'e slim-jim
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post #124 of 290
ok, folks. let me add my two cents. i use a pc and am about to buy an ibook. pc is fine for me and i expect the ibook to be the same (or better, according to some). but when i look at the mini, i have a several reactions: first, for those who say that people should get a wireless connection (to save usb ports), well, means that the mini is much closer to $700. second, even w/out the wireless connection an inexpensive crt is at leat $150 (sure, you can wait for a sale or buy one off ebay, etc., but most people probably won't do this). add a cheap key board and mouse and it's nearing $200. third, as has been well-discussed, is apple's penurious position regarding ram. i think it's fair to say that a computer that requires "expert" ram installation is one whose price (money and time) is higher than listed (i say this because people expect to buy, for example, extra software; they don't expect that their computer must go to the "shop" simply for ram). fourth, i think that the "new" apple customer who is attracted by the mini will, reasonably, have expectations that the mini can perform as a comparably priced pc; therefore, i don't think it's credible to suggest that such new users should or will consider apple's history, market share, ease of use etc. when judging what the new customer expects from this machine.
post #125 of 290
I'm glad you don't get a screen with it.
Most people have screens. If they want a cheap machine with screen and keyboard then the eMac is the way to go.
As for keyboard you can buy an el cheapo usb keyboard for a couple of dollars as well as a mouse (if you don't already have one). At least Apple dropped their price on the keyboards!
The selling features are space (as in footprint) and useability. You don't have to piss about with virus scanners, spyware, adware. You don't have to install drivers for every frikkin device your plug in etc.

Dobby.
post #126 of 290
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Originally posted by lundy
Apple has often done the RAM - shuffle thing. It's old hat with them.

Now tell me exactly what you think the machine should have, and the price.

2 RAM slots
512Mb standard in one slot
Keyboard and mouse
3 USB Ports
Everything else the same

$500
post #127 of 290
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Originally posted by iDave
I don't know how this is an issue. Modern USB keyboards have a port on them for a mouse and usually another for other low-power devices. That leaves a powered USB port available on the Mac, for a scanner, disk drive or whatever. If you don't have a modern USB keyboard, get with the new millennium.

(Not directed toward you, Guartho,) the nitpicking about this amazing new inexpensive Mac is unbelievable. I'm thrilled to see the Mac mini and fully expect Mac market share to increase because of it.

Most windows keyboards do not have USB ports on them. Many items require a powered hub and wont work on keyboard ports anyway
post #128 of 290
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Originally posted by Relic
Matsu, quick question. Why does everyone think these things are hard to crack open. Are they using some special screw set that only three Swiss watchmakers in the world know how to produce or what? Im sure it will be fairly easy to add an airport card or HD once you find the screwdriver at Radio shack.

It may be but it voids the warrantee.
post #129 of 290
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Originally posted by grahamw
Looks to me like our special "tool" is going to be a shim, just a little chunk of metal/plastic that slides in under the edge of the case and depresses the hooks.

If an Apple certified tech can do it, I'm fairly sure I can. And if I can't, well, bugger it, that's what Apple stores are for.

"Wait and see" is such a horrible way to intercede into this argument, but really we're hollering at the wind right now. I'm buying one, I've got a few friends to consider it as well (quite a few six year old IBM e-series towers and eMachine wonders out there that I have to fix - I keep hearing the phrase "I'm phoning home, dad'll buy me that."

Higher education: Picking parents pockets into increased Apple marketshare(tm)

Edit: English apparently not my first language what with the spelling today.

Well, even with all my qualms about it i think I talked 2 of my customers into buying one(with the RAM upgrade) and I warned them about the keyboard and mouse. My boss wont like that since we only sell PCs
post #130 of 290
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Check this link for a decent analysis of the mini and its target customer:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...13/bs_nf/29707
post #131 of 290
Thanks Bill I think you've gotten old like 4 pages ago. Complain complain complain. Again $499
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post #132 of 290
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Originally posted by steve666
2 RAM slots
512Mb standard in one slot
Keyboard and mouse
3 USB Ports
Everything else the same

$500

OK- so I went to dell and tried to configure a computer that has firewire and this is what I came up with...

Dimension 3000

2.8GHz P4
Windows XP Pro (more comparable to Mac OS X- if you don't want it subtract $71)
256MB RAM
40GB Hard Drive
Dual Drives (DVD and CDRW- 'cause it was cheaper than a single combo drive)
NO MONITOR
Integrated Audio
Integrated Intel Graphics (They don't say how much VRAM- so I would assume 32MB)
1394 Adapter
No speakers
Keyboard and mouse (you can't build one without them)
No extra software except for wordperfect

Final Price
$569

OK, now lets take a look at the Mac mini

1.25GHz G4
256MB RAM
40GB Hard Drive
Slot load combo drive
NO MONITOR
Integrated Audio Out only
Integrated ATI 32MB Graphics
Firewire
iMovie HD
iPhoto
iTunes
iDVD
Garage Band
Appleworks

Price $499

Yeah- PCs are much cheaper and a better value.

-taco

p.s. I just think you have unrealistic expectations on price/performance when compared to the PC market.
post #133 of 290
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Originally posted by tacojohn
OK- so I went to dell and tried to configure a computer that has firewire and this is what I came up with...

Dimension 3000

2.8GHz P4
Windows XP Pro (more comparable to Mac OS X- if you don't want it subtract $71)
256MB RAM
40GB Hard Drive
Dual Drives (DVD and CDRW- 'cause it was cheaper than a single combo drive)
NO MONITOR
Integrated Audio
Integrated Intel Graphics (They don't say how much VRAM- so I would assume 32MB)
1394 Adapter
No speakers
Keyboard and mouse (you can't build one without them)
No extra software except for wordperfect

Final Price
$569

OK, now lets take a look at the Mac mini

1.25GHz G4
256MB RAM
40GB Hard Drive
Slot load combo drive
NO MONITOR
Integrated Audio Out only
Integrated ATI 32MB Graphics
Firewire
iMovie HD
iPhoto
iTunes
iDVD
Garage Band
Appleworks

Price $499

Yeah- PCs are much cheaper and a better value.

-taco

p.s. I just think you have unrealistic expectations on price/performance when compared to the PC market.

Dude, Im selling a Compaq bundle including 17 inch monitor, 512Mb RAM, etc etc for $399. There were similar HP deals going on a week ago.

Its what the consumer is looking at, not what we Mac people are looking at, that matters.
post #134 of 290
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Originally posted by steve666
Most windows keyboards do not have USB ports on them. Many items require a powered hub and wont work on keyboard ports anyway

Um well, I suppose a keyboard purchase will be required then. What's it cost for one with USB ports, $25? Apple had to cut costs somewhere to offer a cheap Mac. At least they didn't leave out FireWire, or Ethernet or any number of other things that would have really been missed.

Don't forget, USB is hot-plugable so you can just unplug one device and plug in another. Many devices such as printers, scanners, key drives, work on low-power ports. Obviously, if your keyboard and mouse take up the only two ports, you need a new keyboard with at least one extra port for a mouse.
post #135 of 290
You can get an Apple USB keyboard for $25 and hook up your mouse to it, thus freeing one USB from your mini and leaving another one free in your keyboard.

You can use the one in the keyboard for something that uses low-power USB, like a printer, and you can use the USB 2.0 in the mini for your iPod, USB external drive if you have one and/or FireWire drive.

Not very hard to fit them in.
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post #136 of 290
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
You can get an Apple USB keyboard for $25 and hook up your mouse to it, thus freeing one USB from your mini and leaving another one free in your keyboard.

You can use the one in the keyboard for something that uses low-power USB, like a printer, and you can use the USB 2.0 in the mini for your iPod, USB external drive if you have one and/or FireWire drive.

Not very hard to fit them in.

I believe printers usually need a powered USB port, as do some scanners. I remember people having trouble plugging in these items into their Apple keyboards.
The USB port on the keyboard is good for thumbdrives and the like, though.
post #137 of 290
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I was checking around to see if any Apple catalogues are offering free RAM upgrade with the mini like they do with every other model. Probably difficult to do becuse they would have to pull the existing RAM out first rather than just adding a chip.

So far, no deals that I can see.
post #138 of 290
I want to try opening that case myself. Surely just a flat head screwdriver will suffice.

Dobby.
post #139 of 290
Quote:
Originally posted by steve666
2 RAM slots
512Mb standard in one slot
Keyboard and mouse
3 USB Ports
Everything else the same

$500

Not that I disagree with you but the 20" iMac doesn't come with 512 MB. More RAM is great but they should up it across the board. The honest truth is Apple would much rather sell and iMac than the miniMac. I honestly don't know why Apple created this computer, but they clearly aren't looked for broad PC market appeal. They want people with money who have a PC already and want to dabble with OS X and iLife. Apple hopes they will love the Mac OS so much they will upgrade to a iMac. I really feel they need to include a Apple keyboard and have a low cost monitor as an option.
post #140 of 290
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Originally posted by imacFP
Not that I disagree with you but the 20" iMac doesn't come with 512 MB. More RAM is great but they should up it across the board. The honest truth is Apple would much rather sell and iMac than the miniMac. I honestly don't know why Apple created this computer, but they clearly aren't looked for broad PC market appeal. They want people with money who have a PC already and want to dabble with OS X and iLife. Apple hopes they will love the Mac OS so much they will upgrade to a iMac. I really feel they need to include a Apple keyboard and have a low cost monitor as an option.

Agreed, 512Mb should be standard on all computers.
The mini was supposed to be their way of attracting iPod owners and it may still work but i think PC users will find Apple to be an even wierder company than they may have first thought. It just always seems that Apple doesnt like to please its customers.

Personally I have always found their software to be much more compelling than their hardware.
post #141 of 290
Quote:
Originally posted by steve666
1. No keyboard and mouse? Just bizarre. People want to open the box and use it, now they have to pick out a keyboard and mouse seperately? Don't tell me they can use what they have now. When many people buy a new computer they give their old one to the kids.

maybe they want to open it, and stick in in their kvm box? ;-)

I am one of those PC users, this means I want to fit the mac mini into my infrastructure: VGA, PS/2 keyboard and mouse (adapters would be missing), Fast Ethernet.

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2. Skimpy RAM. Without a necessary factory installed RAM upgrade(expensive) the computer will run like ass right out of the box.

That would be my next dilemma. Does anyone know for certain, if I could just plug in an 512MB DIMM?

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3. Measly 2 USB ports means a hub is most likely a necessity.

Yes, thats quite annoying. If you use USB keyboard and mouse, you won't be able to stick anything else into it without a hub.

Although Firewire is included, it is still missing on most of the cheap pc mainboards.

I'm also missing standard RS232 Ports, and a LineIn or Microphone Jacket.

David
post #142 of 290
I didn't read all of this, but as a former Mac user (when i lived with my parents) and a current XP user (last 6 years @ college), here's my opinion:
- leaving out the mouse and keyboard is a good thing. Everybody buys there favorite one anyways (wireless USB, bluetooth, trackball, whatever) and wonders time after time why they have to pay for the silly basic things that come with every new computer.
- same thing (and maybe even more so) for speakers.
- 256MB of RAM does suck, and i hope they'll sell them in stores with 512MB, because now it's just lame and stupid. Especially considering the slow HD and OS X.
- lack of ports. I guess it's a good point, but how many ports should it have? Any way, 4 USB ports is a bare minimum. And they should have included the adapters for PC keybords and mice. On the other hand, a USB HUB is dirt cheap, so.

I guess most decisions make sense for a bare bones computer. The RAM does not. JMHO.
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post #143 of 290
Before I bother muddling myself with any other posts:

steve666, the target consumer has how much money? Not much.

How much more do you pay for a Mac mini versus an eMachines or Dull? Very little.

The buyer who may already have a PC may now use OS X...and come on, who doesn't think OS X looks and feels neat?! I tried it out on some PC user/Mac dissers and they thought it was great (OS X). So if they already have a kb and mouse they needn't buy more. Also, they have the choice of buying their precious little 2 button mosue if they desire adn whatever stupid internet kb they want with the kwik-porn feature.

Frankly, if the less affluent consumer is in need of a computer, they have a choice of Mac or PC now. AppleWorks comes with OS X and I don't know many people that need Office for what they're doing. They're writing papers and letters! AppleWorks suffices besides the fact that I was fed up with Word long ago. The way it operates is a pain the butt.

The RAM, USB ports, graphics and bla bla bla means little to a consumer who can only afford a low end machine anyway. OS X will not run like crap unless you start doing more with it than you could afford to do with a PC and in the end...

you don't have to use Windows and that should say it all!!
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post #144 of 290
"Guess again. Its ridiculous not to include them"

On what grounds is it ridiculous. You can't just say that something should be included otherwise its ridiculous...there's no proof.
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I'm also missing standard RS232 Ports - Incoming

Yeah...since Macs have had those lately.

What do you use a serial port for these days? Sure I have some printers, a 512KE mouse...crappy graphics tablets, but they're too slow to be useful.


steve666: I know you're obviously very upset about the RAM issue but its simply not an issue with a budget machine like this!
I have 512 and have Win98...thats right, NINETY-EIGHT actually soak up every bit of it while browsing a couple pages, chat msn, downloading with kazaa and playing mp3s. Come on...512 megs. Seriously. Put XP onto a machine with that much RAM...you've got bare bones RAM for that piece of toilet-contents.

Use OS X w/ 256? No problem unless you're ediitng video or something. Drop the RAM issue. Windows uses RAM in a way that I still don't understand after many years. It haphazardly runs out. The Mac however has always been more RAM-friendly.
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post #146 of 290
One of the front-page headlines on today's LA TIMES was that people are getting frustrated with their computing experience (ie. Windows and DELL).

I think the MacMini is PERFECT. All this discussion about why it doesn't have a keyboard/monitor is missing the boat, IMHO. The mini was designed to attract people who ALREADY have a pc and are dissatisfied with it (ie. a lot of people) and sick and tired of getting hit with viruses, worms, etc. Apple is betting that if these people just try a mac, they will switch over. THAT is why the mini doesn't need a keyboard/monitor. Comparing a cheapo Dell w/monitor and keyboard and saying it's cheaper than the mini makes absolutely no sense at all.

My dad's home and office computer keep getting riddled with the latest viruses, etc. and he has norton installed. I'm getting a mini for him. And then later on, an iBook. And then later on, a PowerMac...do you begin to see the picture?

Genius. Pure genius.

CASE CLOSED.

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I would like to submit that the target customers for the Mac mini are the owners of iPods. The Pod people if you will.

Like the Unicorn, the four leaf clover, and the Pot-0-Gold; the "Halo Effect" Pod people were an unproven rumor, a mythical group targeted by the only people who have the actual numbers. Apple, Inc.

This untapped well of future computer purchasers (10 million strong and rapidly rising) was uncovered by Wall Street Journal columnists Tim Hanrahan and Jason Fry when a iPod user poll gave them preliminary indications of the Halo Effect's existence.

Apple's First Quarter numbers proved the theory, and the Mac mini the day before, proved Apple was going after the Pod people. Apple has the extreme advantage over the industry analysts and internet pundits, of the extensive market research and hard numbers provided by the Apple Stores as well as online and channel sales.

The Design Goal was the PRICE POINT: under $500

The Marketing Goal is "Less is More" and they are absolutely right, sometimes in unexpected ways.

There are iPod owners who have liked what they have seen in Apple products and are willing to give the Mac mini a try. BASED ON THE PRICE POINT! Apple found that price point by extensive survey of their Apple Store customers and market research in the channel.

Now to meet this price point, without threatening the iMac, Apple has had to walk a very fine line. Expandability had to be effectively eliminated. The Mini mac is by design a fixed platform, any significant expansion will be external.

An example is the Cube. You can get one now for $500. As shipped the Cube has ~ half the speed and > half the hard drive capacity. The difference is expandability. A Mac mini with a 3.5" HD and a replaceable processor card, not to mention an exchangeable GPU, would kill the iMac as hot rod geeks would soup it up and build a better mini. Apple cannot allow this, it's a survival thing, survival of the iMac.

So what they so brilliantly did was introduce a sub $500 price point computer that is a perfect switcher machine for the Pod people.

The base machine: Less is more, Life is Random. Go find a random USB keyboard and mouse and plug it in. Use your own monitor. Just unplug your Wintel tower that has slowed to a crawl anyway from ad ware, viruses and trojans, and carry it right to the dumpster... er I mean recycle it through eBay or some other environmentally safe method.

These people will be delighted with the Mac mini, it will perform their main task, acting as the base station for their iPod beyond comparison to the computer it is replacing. Everything they do will be easier and most likely faster than it was for them with their outdated Wintel system. (many of them running '98)

The Mac mini will be a dream machine for them. They will run one program at a time and it will work wonderfully for them. Those that are more advanced will get the memory upgrade and they will be happy with it's performance too.

These people will grow and their skills and needs will grow with them. They will put the Mac mini to good use as a music server when they buy their next Mac, probably an iMac.
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post #148 of 290
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Originally posted by Tomahawk
To everyone talking about how much more you get with the cheap PC please follow the steps below.

1. Go to dell.com.
2. Click the cheap PC (AKA Dimension 3000).
3. Leave it on the 2.4 processor (I'm not getting into the speed comparison)
4. Bump to Windows XP Professional.
5. Move to the 1 year warranty. Longer phone service than Apple but you'll be on hold for hours and won't be able to understand the tech anyway. You also can visit a Mac Genius at the Apple Store for free help.
6. Leave it on the 512 memory
7. Leave it on the 40 Gig Drive.
8. Select CD-RW/DVD-ROM.
9. Add RecordNow! since you'll want to make it a little easier to burn...
10. Save $50 remove the monitor.
11. Add IEEE 1394.
12. Click Update Price.

New total $685 +$50 mail in rebate. This still lacks option to add Wireless and Bluetooth.

Now, try this.

1. Go to Apple.com
2. Get to the Mac Mini on the Apple Store.
3. Up it to 512 MB Ram
4. Add wired keyboard and mouse
5. Click Update

New total $632. This also includes a REAL GPU (32 MB rather than integrated that uses your CPU).

I'd say Apple did a pretty good job with the price and it will still look GOOD on your desk!

Absolutely the best post so far.
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post #149 of 290
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Originally posted by Aphelion
I would like to submit that the target customers for the Mac mini are the owners of iPods. The Pod people if you will.

Great post. It's a pretty good box for a lot of people who already own Macs too.
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Originally posted by DigitalMonkeyBoy
Before I bother muddling myself with any other posts:

steve666, the target consumer has how much money? Not much.

How much more do you pay for a Mac mini versus an eMachines or Dull? Very little.

The buyer who may already have a PC may now use OS X...and come on, who doesn't think OS X looks and feels neat?! I tried it out on some PC user/Mac dissers and they thought it was great (OS X). So if they already have a kb and mouse they needn't buy more. Also, they have the choice of buying their precious little 2 button mosue if they desire adn whatever stupid internet kb they want with the kwik-porn feature.

Frankly, if the less affluent consumer is in need of a computer, they have a choice of Mac or PC now. AppleWorks comes with OS X and I don't know many people that need Office for what they're doing. They're writing papers and letters! AppleWorks suffices besides the fact that I was fed up with Word long ago. The way it operates is a pain the butt.

The RAM, USB ports, graphics and bla bla bla means little to a consumer who can only afford a low end machine anyway. OS X will not run like crap unless you start doing more with it than you could afford to do with a PC and in the end...

you don't have to use Windows and that should say it all!!

Low-end PCs come complete with everything. The mini doesnt. He is supposed to be selling to PC users, not us.
Apple always low-balls their hardware and leaves off something necessary. Its getting tiresome.
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Originally posted by Incoming
maybe they want to open it, and stick in in their kvm box? ;-)

I am one of those PC users, this means I want to fit the mac mini into my infrastructure: VGA, PS/2 keyboard and mouse (adapters would be missing), Fast Ethernet.



That would be my next dilemma. Does anyone know for certain, if I could just plug in an 512MB DIMM?



Yes, thats quite annoying. If you use USB keyboard and mouse, you won't be able to stick anything else into it without a hub.

Although Firewire is included, it is still missing on most of the cheap pc mainboards.

I'm also missing standard RS232 Ports, and a LineIn or Microphone Jacket.

David

RAM can only be installed by Apple or a Apple reseller.
There is only one RAM slot so if you want to increase to 512Mb you have to take out the 256 and add a 512. How silly is this? Welcome to Apple!
post #152 of 290
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Originally posted by DigitalMonkeyBoy
"Guess again. Its ridiculous not to include them"

On what grounds is it ridiculous. You can't just say that something should be included otherwise its ridiculous...there's no proof.

Ask any PC user who is going to buy a mini that theres no keyboard and mouse. Of course its ridiculous. They are advertising a $499 computer thats not really a $499 computer. They would have been better off, IMHO, if they included a keyboard, mouse, and 512Mb RAM and just charged $599-because that is what it will take to make the mini useable for most people.
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Originally posted by DigitalMonkeyBoy
Yeah...since Macs have had those lately.

What do you use a serial port for these days? Sure I have some printers, a 512KE mouse...crappy graphics tablets, but they're too slow to be useful.


steve666: I know you're obviously very upset about the RAM issue but its simply not an issue with a budget machine like this!
I have 512 and have Win98...thats right, NINETY-EIGHT actually soak up every bit of it while browsing a couple pages, chat msn, downloading with kazaa and playing mp3s. Come on...512 megs. Seriously. Put XP onto a machine with that much RAM...you've got bare bones RAM for that piece of toilet-contents.

Use OS X w/ 256? No problem unless you're ediitng video or something. Drop the RAM issue. Windows uses RAM in a way that I still don't understand after many years. It haphazardly runs out. The Mac however has always been more RAM-friendly.

Really? I guess you never used OS9!
Check the activity monitor next time you've been online for a couple hours and have small apps like preview and maybe quicktime open.
I did and my machine was using 300Mb RAM. 256Mb is not enough for OSX. It was plenty for OS9, but not OSX.
post #154 of 290
steve666

I agree with you that limited USB ports, no bundled keyboard/mouse, only service tech installed ram etc. are issues. And this will be an issue for many computer buyers.

This is not the world shattering, life altering machine that will convert the world to Macs. But will it more than meet the needs of many people - I believe yes it will and it will increase Apple's market share. How much who knows.

As far as the ram and keyboard/mouse issue, I'll bet a bundle(pun intended) that third party retailers will offer some bundles including either ram upgrades or keyboard/mouse upgrades or both. Maybe free or at ridiculously low prices.(maybe even a USB hub or two thrown in for good measure)

They'll advertise -Got a keyboard/mouse that will work, get the ram upgrade for $25 installation.
Don't need ram, got a keyboard/mouse already well then here's a mighty fine USB hub for free
Need a monitor well we'll just bundle this 17" LCD monitor just for you for only $179.99.

This is a third party retailers dream come true. OS X goodness with upgrades to pad the bottom line galore.

Then again I could be all wrong and no one will come to the party and Apple is doomed again.
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post #155 of 290
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Originally posted by rickag
steve666

I agree with you that limited USB ports, no bundled keyboard/mouse, only service tech installed ram etc. are issues. And this will be an issue for many computer buyers.

This is not the world shattering, life altering machine that will convert the world to Macs. But will it more than meet the needs of many people - I believe yes it will and it will increase Apple's market share. How much who knows.

As far as the ram and keyboard/mouse issue, I'll bet a bundle(pun intended) that third party retailers will offer some bundles including either ram upgrades or keyboard/mouse upgrades or both. Maybe free or at ridiculously low prices.(maybe even a USB hub or two thrown in for good measure)

They'll advertise -Got a keyboard/mouse that will work, get the ram upgrade for $25 installation.
Don't need ram, got a keyboard/mouse already well then here's a mighty fine USB hub for free
Need a monitor well we'll just bundle this 17" LCD monitor just for you for only $179.99.

This is a third party retailers dream come true. OS X goodness with upgrades to pad the bottom line galore.

Then again I could be all wrong and no one will come to the party and Apple is doomed again.

I think you have a point and I have already seen some bundles online for rebates on keyboards and mice, etc.

Did you guys know the hard drive in the mini is only 4200rpm? Thats dirt slow, I wonder how much it will affect performance?
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Great post. It's a pretty good box for a lot of people who already own Macs too.

And that is one of the "unexpected ways" the Mac mini will find itself niches to prosper in. To many mac users it will be an iServe to act as a file and music server. It's the perfect compliment to any existing modern Macintosh. A home base for your Powerbook or iBook. Or a music box for your production environment.

Home theater systems will be built around it. For many it will replace the CD jukebox in their stereo system, heck for many people it will be their stereo.

Thousands of kiosks will be built with the Mac mini at their heart. Just wait for the photos of Mac mini's replacing the stereo in the dashboard of cars start coming in. They'll be playing DVD's for the kids in the back.

Schools and geek nerds will have clusters of them to test out software without tying up multi-million dollar production and research clusters. (VT are you interested in a lab of mini clusters to teach students how to program for The Big Mac?).

Apple has conceived a full platform in the Mac mini, it is a paradigm shift in the computing landscape. It will be so successful, on so many levels, that it insures Apple's permanent return to relevancy in the future of computing.

Not bad for a platform that is designed to a minimum price point, and designed for a particular niche within a niche. Those Pod people are sure earning their halos.
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Did you guys know the hard drive in the mini is only 4200rpm? Thats dirt slow, I wonder how much it will affect performance?

Same speed as comes stock in every PowerBook. Yes, it affects performance somewhat, but this is a low end computer. It surprises me more that PowerBooks still come stock with 4200s.
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Ask any PC user who is going to buy a mini that theres no keyboard and mouse. Of course its ridiculous.

Most of the keyboards that come with low-end PCs are crap. I think it's good to have a choice. You can get a nice one from MacAlly or Kensington if you like. Are you aware that early Macs never came with keyboards in the box? Apple gave the user a choice, although the choice of ADB keyboards was pretty limited.
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Same speed as comes stock in every PowerBook. Yes, it affects performance somewhat, but this is a low end computer. It surprises me more that PowerBooks still come stock with 4200s.

I'm going to wait and see what the benchmarks are in comparison to other desktops, eMac included.
I was going to run out and buy one before it was announced. I need a CD burner for my G3iMacDV400 so i gihured instead of spending a hundred bucks on a burner I would spend $500 on the new computer.

Now, i think I'll wait for more info and experiences and wait until Tiger is preloaded on it.
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Check this link for a decent analysis of the mini and its target customer:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...13/bs_nf/29707

that analysis is silly...entry level users are NOT the target market, the entry level price was the target...the Mac mini is response to the question: "why doesn't Apple offere a stripped down Mac that is more affordable? "

it's not an attempt to sell to entry level...this is for every person who complains that they want to use their own keyboard/mouse not the ugly white Apple ones and who already have a perfectly good monitor - why should i get an e/iMac ? - or don't want to drop $1200 when they already have a good custom built PC at home so i know how to shop for my own keyboardsmouseandmonitors - or, i already upgraded to an LCD and bluetooth keyboard/mouse, i can have another Mac mini with my leftover CRT/original keyboad/mouse for $600
- all these folks aren't entry level first time buyers...
if a first time buyer goes into a store and starts adding up accessories, they'll realize they're better off buying an iBook/iMac/eMac that's set up right next to it 'cuz they are elegant designs of everything you need in the box.
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