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Saturday will be 100 days past the average due update. And I think they are using the SP 1.8 GHz downgrade as an update cycle.

Just as some considered the addition of the dual 1.8 to replace the single 1.8 in the original g5 lineup as an upgrade cycle... retarded.

 

 

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Just as some considered the addition of the dual 1.8 to replace the single 1.8 in the original g5 lineup as an upgrade cycle... retarded.

No need to say some. it's Apple that does it. They are buying time for old parts to get cheaper.
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Tag you're it,

Apple doesn't make macrumors publish that update cycle report, they were the "some" i was talking about.

 

 

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I'm off to go do a 10 minute speech on why "macs are better than pcs"... should have brought these forums with me... that would have opened huge debate.

 

 

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Tag you're it,

Apple doesn't make macrumors publish that update cycle report, they were the "some" i was talking about.

I suppose you can look at it like that. I think of it more as macrumors trying to justify the length of time between update cycles. I think Apple does the same thing, but knows all about that update cycle chart, and it gives them all the more justification for lengthening the time frame between updates.
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With new rumors accumulating regarding Chud tools, and Dual core possibilities does anyone fell like tendering any new PowerMac predictions?
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I predict that they will do just enough to leave room for more improvement.
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WWDC is only a little over 3 months away now. I hope Apple has something up their sleeves.
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I think were looking good folks!

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Cant imagine how this is not valid information... awesome!
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I knew Apple planned on using dual cores at some point, and I'm really glad we should be seeing them soon, but I wonder if they will be dong any thing that we didn't anticipate? It sure would be nice to see them really shake it up a bit in computer land.
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Apparently not that soon.

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While sound reasoning would suggest that updated Power Mac G5 models will be announced around the same time, it's unclear whether the new systems, based on the yet-unannounced PowerPC 970GX processor, will be ready in time or whether they'll make an appearance closer to WWDC in June.

GX now, MP later?

Does the GX mean no hugmongo radiator?

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Apparently not that soon.



GX now, MP later?

Does the GX mean no hugmongo radiator?

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That's a the eMac, and iMac., and just a rumor. Apple would not put the latest greatest, and their most powerful processor in the eMac, and iMac first that much I can assure you.
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That on die memory controller is only part of what makes AMD's chips tick. It is truely a sum of the parts situation. It is interestingthat AMD's chip beats just about every other high volumne microprocessor on the market when it comes to performance at a clock rate. The chip is so well engineered that it beats a 970 at a lower clock rate.

Not that I want to drag this thread off course but I do think that Apple / IBM has something new waiting for us around the corner. Hoefully all of the warts from the 970 will be gone and Apple can go back to claiming the fastest desktop systems in the world. I just don't think on board memory controllers are expected this go around.

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At early appearances I think AMD will still have a leg up on all of them, unless IBM starts using an on die memory controller which is what seems to give AMD all that power. You would think that being in a multi billion dollar company IBM processor designers would have figured this out already, and know exactly what to do. But you never know...

WOW! You design computer processors. You must be really smart? Duuuhhh.. I guess. \
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should we expect an update of powermac in June or before ?
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I hope - in june - at WWDC - with Tiger.
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I hope - in june - at WWDC - with Tiger.

boy i hope so to by then. There is nothing substantial mentioned anywhere that i can find and i am just afraid that apple with its huge sucess with the ipod and all that they will forget the higher end users such as us that are trying to do video and other cpu intensive things and looking for the upper end of the product line to expand and grow. However the only thing i can say in their defense is that the whole industry seems to be in a slowdown insofar as faster computers and all. But as a mac user from day one this has been the longest drout that i can remember in their history for updating the upper end of their lineup. Any thoughts ???
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Last year was an 11 month update cycle from the Rev A to Rev B... so far we're at 9 months... (june to march)...

Apple has more dependence on the high end users than it appears... without the developers, video artists, graphics artists they would cease to have ANY 3rd party software, a graphics system etc. It is my opinion that without these high end machines, apple doesn't have a leg to stand on. The iPod momentum will die out eventually and they will resort to computer sales again.

Without developers and high end systems, apple is screwed. I know they know this... we will see an update soon.

 

 

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Last year was an 11 month update cycle from the Rev A to Rev B... so far we're at 9 months... (june to march)...

Apple has more dependence on the high end users than it appears... without the developers, video artists, graphics artists they would cease to have ANY 3rd party software, a graphics system etc. It is my opinion that without these high end machines, apple doesn't have a leg to stand on. The iPod momentum will die out eventually and they will resort to computer sales again.

Without developers and high end systems, apple is screwed. I know they know this... we will see an update soon.

Well said. These are the reasons why I think they should try their hand at going all out with a couple variations on the PowerMac soon. THe iPod will not live forever. And they need to impress a multitude of Markets with various other products. The PowerMac is the defining point of their abilities.
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Thanks,

I don't know if anyone else has noticed... but the powermac dual 2.5's ship same business day from the US Apple Store... I don't know how long this has been going on, but its the first time I've noticed it. Least IBM is COMPLETELY caught up in processor demands.

Also for weeks now apple has had all powermacs on the refurb list. Year after year I see this all the time before an update.

I don't want to get my hopes too high but I feel we'll see dual 2.8's with PCI-Express. That is the MINIMUM apple will release for the next update. Its actually a pretty sour update if they don't change the case or anything like that. This update could go as high as dual 3.0 (maybe even quads, though I think that's for next update).

A lot of people have mentioned a "pro" workstation being built along with the Powermac. Problem with this is Powermacs sales are already hurting... I believe they sold 175k last quarter? If a pro workstation was made what percentage of those users would buy it? Also how many new users not out of the powermac category would buy one?

Even if we gave the pro workstation users the benefit of the doubt and split the powermacs in half, we'd still see a loss for both systems.

If apple can get away with taking a small loss at providing excellent pro machines (powermacs), I think it would be ok... since its sort of an investment into developers back into their company.

I'm sure this new Powermac will have more features... I just don't know how many. Ones we can count on? PCI-E and at least dual 2.8s.

 

 

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Most of us will just be happy as long as they improve something!

After all this time, Apple could still go the cheap route to clear
the exisiting towers buying them more time for a serious
revision.

Price drop, RAM/GPU upgrades and Tiger


I hope for much more, but this option can't be overlooked.
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I have a feeling that if they do move to dual 2.8 / pci-express, we will see a price drop. I wouldn't mind seeing a price drop myself. They should be cheaper. I can perfectly see the same thing happening that just happened to the powerbooks... mildly faster processor (2.8), more ram (1gb), better graphics card / bus (pb didn't get upgraded in this regard), lower prices (2-3 hundred dollar price dip), and perhaps larger harddrives. If these happened, I'd buy the top end version in a heart beat.

2700 for a dual 2.8 sounds reasonable to me.

 

 

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A lot of people have mentioned a "pro" workstation being built along with the Powermac. Problem with this is Powermacs sales are already hurting... I believe they sold 175k last quarter? If a pro workstation was made what percentage of those users would buy it? Also how many new users not out of the powermac category would buy one?

I am thinking that that iMacs will get the dual-core and the Power Macs will get two-dual cores, meaning they will be quad processors. I think quad-processing is the next evolution for the Power Macs. I think the next Power Mac will be the "pro" workstation.
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A lot of people have mentioned a "pro" workstation being built along with the Powermac. Problem with this is Powermacs sales are already hurting... I believe they sold 175k last quarter? If a pro workstation was made what percentage of those users would buy it? Also how many new users not out of the powermac category would buy one?


People have been passing on the PowerMac (and I'm one of them) all together because it's not a strong enough machine as they would like. That is what is hurting PM sales the most, and also people have been waiting on a better upgrade. The last few have been no big deal. It was also passed on because SJ made the claim that there would be 3GHz after the first year, and a lot of us that were going to buy one passed to get the 3GHz machine. (I am also one of those people)
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I am thinking that that iMacs will get the dual-core and the Power Macs will get two-dual cores, meaning they will be quad processors. I think quad-processing is the next evolution for the Power Macs. I think the next Power Mac will be the "pro" workstation.

I hope your right. I don't think its a big stretch for Apple to say they could use one either. They make all the apps (other than 3D) that pro workstations are marketed towards from Alienware, and BOXX. Both of these vendors sell machines targeted for CAD, Digital Video, Digital Audio, Digital Imaging, and Digital Content Creation. But who knows. I'm just excited to see where they are headed, We ( I ) will get some indication of that from the next PowerMac revision I think. Maybe this will be my year back to the PowerMac.
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Maybe this will be my year back to the PowerMac.

That's the most positive thing I've heard you say all year

I'm still 50/50 on what apple is going to do... go out huge or small on the powermacs... I am sure of one thing... it will either be this rev or next rev and I think a lot of that depends on IBM once again.

 

 

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Hi all... i love all this talk of the next macs. I have had a thought for a while and wonder what you all think of this...it always seems that delays and problems delivering upgrades all are dependent on who makes the processor albiet motorola or now ibm. then you read that they are in great financial shape and have a large cash supply. Is it totally out of the question for maybe apple to consider just buying their on state of the are processor plant and make their own and do it efficiently and with lots of innovation and great production capabilities so this end of the upgrade cycle and supplying the models they do introduce in timely fashion? Any thoughts in this direction. I love your comments and suggestions and predictions.
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PowerMac 3GHz x 4 + Tiger + FCP 5.0 = *drooooooool*
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PowerMac 3GHz x 4 + Tiger + FCP 5.0 = *drooooooool*

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Hi all... i love all this talk of the next macs. I have had a thought for a while and wonder what you all think of this...it always seems that delays and problems delivering upgrades all are dependent on who makes the processor albiet motorola or now ibm. then you read that they are in great financial shape and have a large cash supply. Is it totally out of the question for maybe apple to consider just buying their on state of the are processor plant and make their own and do it efficiently and with lots of innovation and great production capabilities so this end of the upgrade cycle and supplying the models they do introduce in timely fashion? Any thoughts in this direction. I love your comments and suggestions and predictions.


That's a lot of cash your talking about, and who would Apples clientele be, Just Apple? Most manufacturers have a long list of processors that they sell to multiple (probably hundreds) clients. That's a huge risk. Apple isn't that big on risks. Most of their ideas are pretty well thought out, and that is why they chose IBM as their processor manufacturer. They look to be in pretty good shape in the future IMO.
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Onlooker is right, it would be completely out of the question for apple to build their own processors. You think they're slow now

 

 

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hay just a thought ....it always seems that the processor is what is holding up developing new models and somethings what holds up the releasing of new models shown as various shows that are for sale. production seems to be halted by the abailablity of processors for new models. That is very cool that someone noticed up above that the G5 2.5s are shipping same day as ordered. I do not believe that that has ever been that rapid a process.
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With several different sites claiming a 1 April launch of Tiger, where does that put the new Power Mac?

I've been wondering whether or not Apple has actually been ramping up to manufacture them, and wants to have a fair amount of them on hand for the launch. No one seems to be able to say what holdup there is with the Power Mac, therefore, who's to say there actually is one?
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With several different sites claiming a 1 April launch of Tiger, where does that put the new Power Mac?

I've been wondering whether or not Apple has actually been ramping up to manufacture them, and wants to have a fair amount of them on hand for the launch. No one seems to be able to say what holdup there is with the Power Mac, therefore, who's to say there actually is one?

look closely at what your saying... APRIL 1st
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I've got a good feeling about April 1st as well. It looks like they have some big news, I'm guessing it might be more that just OSX Tiger!

From the Backpage section of Appleinsider...

According to numerous reports, Apple has recently provided its developers with Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger" build 8A414. The 2.29 GB seed was accompanied by a pair of seed notes, one for the operating system itself and another for HiToolbox, sources said. Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger" is rapidly approaching Gold Master status, which it should reach within the next two weeks. AppleInsider believes reports pertaining to an April 1st announcement of Tiger's completion are indeed accurate. Earlier in the year, extremely reliable sources had mentioned a 'major announcement' that Apple was planning on its 26th anniversary as a corporation.

It's as good a date as any to watch
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Hmmm... it would be great if new PM's are announced on April 1st. But do you really think Apple would have 3 revised/new models (eMac, iMac, and PM), and Tiger to announce on the same day? That's too much for one day, I'd faint! They gotta save something for the WWDC in June.

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F*** the eMac and iMac. I know there vital to Apples health, and i'm all for the line improving accross the board, but I want a new PM tower that comes with nitrous tanks and airbags baby!
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They gotta save something for the WWDC in June.

Hopefully that would be the venue for the PowerBook G5.
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A lot has been said in regard to CPU's in the new PM, does anyone believe new GPU options may come to light in the next update? Are the behind-the-scenes works with ATI and NVIDIA as seceret as the rest of the manufacturing process? The reason I ask is that I'm curious about Apple possibly introducing a new videocard into the mix along with the new CPU's.
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I think we'll see new GPU options for the next Powermac line. Didn't Nvidia just announce a new 6200 series?

.... yup

This card should be the G5 PM lowend card now.
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Even thought there have been a few hints at 970mp (thermal diodes, CHUD tools, etc)... I have a feeling these cpu's are actually far off. On the same token 970GX has been "rumored" to have been in the works much longer. Do you guys see the next powermac sporting 970gx or 970mp? I vote for gx.

As far as graphics cards, from rumors apple has been said it HAS moved to PCI-Express cards (seen as they have been ordering them from ATI, the x700pro, and NVidia). What cards do you guys see in the new machines? I see 6200 -> 6600gt or x700pro -> 6800gt with 6800ultra and x800 as BTO. You guys can call bs on me about the 6800gt being a standard card in the top line models... I have a hard time seeing apple doing that myself... its more hoping than selective analysis.

 

 

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