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post #41 of 316
1/21/05 at 3:31am
Wall mount the iMac and that stupid kid wouldn't able to shit with it and some form of protectice case. Good point though havn't thought of that durabilaty. Maby an new more stable stand woul be reqired for the iMac when it in public spaces.
Acually I wouldn't mind a product that has durabilaty as it main function, but then the design should clearly signal this

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post #42 of 316
1/21/05 at 5:19am
Well, Apple turned around and shipped my BTO PB today, pushing forward the ship date with one week.. EOL, i dont think so..
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post #43 of 316
1/21/05 at 5:44am
The would rather avoid getting a G4, what with Tiger comming out at all. The G5 is obviously where everything is headed, and I don't have to buy until anytime before september. I like the eMac design more, and I'd rather have a CRT than pay for for an LCD. Plus I hate the iMacs new design (The G4's design was much better IMHO) though I still may end up getting the 1.8 17" configuration, with a gig of ram and 160 gig hard drive depending on the price and if they chance the video solution by september. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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post #44 of 316
1/21/05 at 6:42am
Amorph, I don't think the LCD was more than a passing concern. Last elementary school that I visited has LCD's on all their new machines, plenty of CRTs around too (on older machines) no macs... Could it be price? (and pedagogy?)

Last High School I visited, had a lab full of eMacs, for use in a multimedia/film class. It was a fairly progressive school. This was the last time that I saw any new macs installed in a HS.

Interestingly, one of the more monied elementary schools in our area has a couple of iBook based labs.

I really think that the question is more one of money, than of durability. Though, initially, durability may have been a concern, it has subsided as far as I can see. Money, however, remains an ever-present consideration.
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post #45 of 316
1/21/05 at 7:09am
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The would rather avoid getting a G4, what with Tiger comming out at all. The G5 is obviously where everything is headed, and I don't have to buy until anytime before september. I like the eMac design more, and I'd rather have a CRT than pay for for an LCD. Plus I hate the iMacs new design (The G4's design was much better IMHO) though I still may end up getting the 1.8 17" configuration, with a gig of ram and 160 gig hard drive depending on the price and if they chance the video solution by september. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

yeah the former system with the arm holding the screen was too expensive for apple on the imac G4

but i agree, i prefer the imac G4 too
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post #46 of 316
1/21/05 at 8:52am
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The would rather avoid getting a G4, what with Tiger comming out at all. The G5 is obviously where everything is headed, and I don't have to buy until anytime before september. I like the eMac design more, and I'd rather have a CRT than pay for for an LCD. Plus I hate the iMacs new design (The G4's design was much better IMHO) though I still may end up getting the 1.8 17" configuration, with a gig of ram and 160 gig hard drive depending on the price and if they chance the video solution by september. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

G5's isn't clearly where the line is heading actually. Don't forget about freescale, they're working on non-g5 processors for the future. Those will definitely go in a few macs.

 

 

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post #47 of 316
1/21/05 at 10:46am
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Well, Apple turned around and shipped my BTO PB today, pushing forward the ship date with one week.. EOL, i dont think so..

The US Apple store says 7-10 days shipping for PB. That is new, it has been same day shipping for weeks. I know, I've been clicking to check for updates since MWSF.
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post #48 of 316
1/21/05 at 10:53am
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The US Apple store says 7-10 days shipping for PB. That is new, it has been same day shipping for weeks. I know, I've been clicking to check for updates since MWSF.

yes, they changed those shipping times for BTO orders last week in norway, now all PB are delayed too.. but why would they need to delay mine, and then push forward shipping from 28th? a 2% small possibility is that they update tuesday and i get a speedbumped one.. Even less, if they do speedbump within 2 weeks of delivery, ill send it back and demand a new one.. im backed by norwegian law anyway..
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post #49 of 316
1/21/05 at 11:22am
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Amorph, I don't think the LCD was more than a passing concern. Last elementary school that I visited has LCD's on all their new machines, plenty of CRTs around too (on older machines) no macs... Could it be price? (and pedagogy?)

Who knows? If the LCDs were new, perhaps someone's about to find out the hard way why Apple's edu solution has a CRT.

There are a lot of former corporate IT types moving into edu, and they're bringing their habits with them.

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I really think that the question is more one of money, than of durability. Though, initially, durability may have been a concern, it has subsided as far as I can see. Money, however, remains an ever-present consideration.

I think money overrides questions of durability when push comes to shove, especially among people who imagine that there's something magical about putting computers in classrooms.

I've also noticed, in coverage of major switches to Windows, that in many cases the Apple rep didn't even know the decision had been deliberated on or reached, so the cost issue might boil down to some IT guy telling the superintended that "Macs are overpriced." Apple bids aggressively, and they have outbid Dell on contracts before. Of course, they're not going to win every bid, but I think the more general problem is that they're not even being given the chance to try.
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post #50 of 316
1/21/05 at 11:41am
Hopefully the eMac or an equivalent sticks around.

For many people, it provides a cheap way to jump onto the mac platform. I personally helped three friends choose an eMac and appropriate peripherals. All were starving grad students or young professionals who simply could not afford an LCD no matter what. They were also non-techies and an AIO fit their needs perfectly.

All of these friends are still immensly satisfied with their eMac. One is now working as a school teacher in another state and uses her eMac for many hours every day. She moved into a new house last month and set up her eMac in a matter of seconds.

The eMac is not dated at all. For many, it is still the best price for the features they need.
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post #51 of 316
1/21/05 at 1:04pm
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Who knows? If the LCDs were new, perhaps someone's about to find out the hard way why Apple's edu solution has a CRT.

There are a lot of former corporate IT types moving into edu, and they're bringing their habits with them.

I think money overrides questions of durability when push comes to shove, especially among people who imagine that there's something magical about putting computers in classrooms.


No doubt. I've been ostracised on more than one occasion for suggesting that there's nothing special about putting a computer in a classroom. It becomes especially difficult at times trying to convince parents that there's really no value whatsoever in their children "learning" Office at 8 years old. Learn to solve problems, appropriate concepts that are transferable to different tasks, don't simply learn "the computer". The computer is a tool, and it has a short expiration date.
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post #52 of 316
1/21/05 at 2:51pm
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yes, they changed those shipping times for BTO orders last week in norway, now all PB are delayed too.. but why would they need to delay mine, and then push forward shipping from 28th? a 2% small possibility is that they update tuesday and i get a speedbumped one.. Even less, if they do speedbump within 2 weeks of delivery, ill send it back and demand a new one.. im backed by norwegian law anyway..

you have 2 weeks to change your mind in Norway ?


it's time for the EU to apply the same advantages to all country members
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post #53 of 316
1/21/05 at 3:15pm
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you have 2 weeks to change your mind in Norway ?

it's time for the EU to apply the same advantages to all country members

only one problem here my friend.. norway is not an EU member but the danish have the same rules i think.. its a law that makes sure that a customer who buys outside a retail store (mail, web, phone sale) gets what he wants. so he can freely try it out for 14 days upon arrival.. the law co-exists with the law that says that no mather what i have 5 years of "warranty" on my purchase.
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post #54 of 316
1/21/05 at 5:42pm
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only one problem here my friend.. norway is not an EU member but the danish have the same rules i think.. its a law that makes sure that a customer who buys outside a retail store (mail, web, phone sale) gets what he wants. so he can freely try it out for 14 days upon arrival.. the law co-exists with the law that says that no mather what i have 5 years of "warranty" on my purchase.

woooooooow 5 years ????

so you don't need to pay for applecare...


sorry, so many countries in the union, i use to forget who is in and who is not

i wish we could have such laws in france...
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post #55 of 316
1/21/05 at 6:40pm
well, AppleCare covers alot more than the law.. But computers are put in a group which is expected to last more than 5 years.. So if anything breaks, and it is a defect in the product, like manufacturing error or something like that, it is covered by the law.. The "consumer purchace" law is quite a help for the ordinary customer, just slam it in the table, and any company has to agree (if they are present in norway, like apple is)
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post #56 of 316
1/22/05 at 2:03am
I guess you have seen this.

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A reliable source has informed macosXrumors that Apple may be preparing to release new Powerbooks as well as new eMacs next Tuesday. The renewal of both Powerbook and eMac lines have been expected for some time now, while first signs of EOL were noticed earlier this week. Confirmation on the technical details of the new Powerbooks and revelations on the new eMacs¢ specifications have also been provided by the source.


A processor speed-bump to 1.5Ghz (12?) and 1.66Ghz (15? and 17?), improved graphics and other minor enhancements are expected for the new Powerbooks (as mentioned on our earlier postings), while the new eMac should be based on the PowerPC G5 processor running at 1.6Ghz and may also have improved graphics, according to the source.

Hehe, G5 eMac ... I think now with the Mac mini, this makes sense.
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post #57 of 316
1/22/05 at 5:23am
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Hehe, G5 eMac ... I think now with the Mac mini, this makes sense.

indeed, with a little price hike of $100
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post #58 of 316
1/22/05 at 6:01am
New Powerbooks are coming out within the next two weeks. I placed a deposit (17") at my University on Thursday and was told they were waiting to here from apple about new pricing and were unable to place order until then. Good sign if you ask me!
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post #59 of 316
1/22/05 at 6:43am
Gee I am so glad I just got my 12inch superdrive PB last week!
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post #60 of 316
1/22/05 at 9:27am
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Gee I am so glad I just got my 12inch superdrive PB last week!

Return it from what I heard the speed bump really doesn't change much anyway..... just to make you feel better....
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post #61 of 316
1/22/05 at 10:02am
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post #62 of 316
1/22/05 at 1:36pm
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But it would all bend the same direction, so I don't think there would be any notice to it. But you have a definite point of kids climbing it. A child could get pissed and throw that iMac a lot easier than an eMac. It's something to consider.

No that wouldn't happen - it's not using Windows remember.
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post #63 of 316
1/22/05 at 1:42pm
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only one problem here my friend.. norway is not an EU member but the danish have the same rules i think.. its a law that makes sure that a customer who buys outside a retail store (mail, web, phone sale) gets what he wants. so he can freely try it out for 14 days upon arrival.. the law co-exists with the law that says that no mather what i have 5 years of "warranty" on my purchase.

Same in UK, however, Apple state that they will only return goods of they were delivered within 30 days and have not been opened. Obviously the law lies above this though.
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post #64 of 316
1/22/05 at 1:47pm
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I guess you have seen this.

Hehe, G5 eMac ... I think now with the Mac mini, this makes sense.

1.6 GHz G5 eMac or 1.66 GHz G4 PowerBook?!!!!
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post #65 of 316
1/22/05 at 2:45pm
depends from your needs !


roadster or SUV ?
train or plane ?

it's the same
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post #66 of 316
1/22/05 at 3:01pm
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depends from your needs !


roadster or SUV ?
train or plane ?

it's the same

yeah but which one's faster! eMac will have pants graphics card and hard drive. Obviously my needs are a PowerBook, i just want a G5!
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post #67 of 316
1/22/05 at 4:57pm
You will be waiting a long time for that G5! I don't think we'll see it until 2006.... if were lucky.
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post #68 of 316
1/22/05 at 5:05pm
Funny thing about the G5's. When news of the 970 first broke, and there was much debate on these fora, I was putting the longest time-frame of anyone on their eventual roll out in Powerbooks, and taking a lot of shit from the fanboy brigade about it too. Sitting here in early 2005, Apple is now exceeding even my pessimistic time frame.

I just wanted to take this opportunity to say to anyone who remembers: I told you so
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1/22/05 at 5:09pm
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Funny thing about the G5's. When news of the 970 first broke, and there was much debate on these fora, I was putting the longest time-frame of anyone on their eventual roll out in Powerbooks, and taking a lot of shit from the fanboy brigade about it too. Sitting here in early 2005, Apple is now exceeding even my pessimistic time frame.

I just wanted to take this opportunity to say to anyone who remembers: I told you so

well I'll check them out! So should I wait for dual-core or just buy a 1.67GHz G4 on Tuesday. I want to use motion, and creative suite and keep this laptop for three years. Basic video editing would be good as well! What do you reckon?
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post #70 of 316
1/22/05 at 5:21pm
I don't know. I think one more G4 rev. And, depending on how long it takes to get a G5 in there, Freescale could be back in the game. Some of the G4 stuff doesn't sound all that bad for a mobile application, truth be told. And what Freescale could offer looks good...

The longer we wait for a G5, the more likely a split in mobile and dektop technologies becomes...
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post #71 of 316
1/22/05 at 5:33pm
Do you really think this Tuesday will be powerbook upgrade day?
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post #72 of 316
1/22/05 at 5:58pm
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Do you really think this Tuesday will be powerbook upgrade day?

It's more a hope! It'll be after iLife comes out so maybe the 1st instead, i expect it soon, but I'm optimistic. I was expecting a G5 in Jan until December last year!
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1/22/05 at 6:55pm
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Same in UK, however, Apple state that they will only return goods of they were delivered within 30 days and have not been opened. Obviously the law lies above this though.

in norway they cant say that the product has to be un-opened... i can try it for 14 days.. its the law.. even apple cant avoid that!
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post #74 of 316
1/22/05 at 7:21pm
im really confused about this...so the new PowerBooks that are rumored to be coming out within the next few weeks are going to work perfectly with Tiger. i mean, is tiger fully supported by the new machines. does anyone know what current machines besides the powermac are supported by tiger...im slightly confused because i have heard that many machines such as the iBook wont support Tiger to its full capabilities...whats the truth?????
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post #75 of 316
1/22/05 at 7:42pm
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I just wanted to take this opportunity to say to anyone who remembers: I told you so

Congratulations. I guess you're happy?
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post #76 of 316
1/22/05 at 10:57pm
neener neener neener

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1/23/05 at 3:30am
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im really confused about this...so the new PowerBooks that are rumored to be coming out within the next few weeks are going to work perfectly with Tiger. i mean, is tiger fully supported by the new machines. does anyone know what current machines besides the powermac are supported by tiger...im slightly confused because i have heard that many machines such as the iBook wont support Tiger to its full capabilities...whats the truth?????

All current computers will work perfectly with Tiger. Tiger adds 64-bit support so that 64-bit computers work faster. They can't bring out a computer in Jan and then in April bring out software that doesn't work with it. iMac G3s will still be supported by Tiger. Tiger is optimised for 64-bit but will still work with 32-bit. iBooks will be 32-bit for a while, so will PowerBooks and Mac mini. They also have to supoprt old products to some extent.
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1/23/05 at 3:37am
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All current computers will work perfectly with Tiger. Tiger adds 64-bit support so that 64-bit computers work faster. They can't bring out a computer in Jan and then in April bring out software that doesn't work with it. iMac G3s will still be supported by Tiger. Tiger is optimised for 64-bit but will still work with 32-bit. iBooks will be 32-bit for a while, so will PowerBooks and Mac mini. They also have to supoprt old products to some extent.

I guess that ineedag5pbnow (what a nick... ) was referring to the Core Image "problem". The graphics cards of some older (and even some of the newer, including Mac Mini) Macs won't fully support Core Image effects, which means that some of the eye-candy might get lost on those machines. That's it, nothing serious...
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post #79 of 316
1/23/05 at 3:49am
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I guess that ineedag5pbnow (what a nick... ) was referring to the Core Image "problem". The graphics cards of some older (and even some of the newer, including Mac Mini) Macs won't fully support Core Image effects, which means that some of the eye-candy might get lost on those machines. That's it, nothing serious...

That's the same as quartz extreme. Some older computers wont support it but it's just speed and eye candy, not functionality.
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1/23/05 at 12:54pm
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That's the same as quartz extreme. Some older computers wont support it but it's just speed and eye candy, not functionality.

thanx. i am no longer confused!
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