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Following a lull in its Mac OS X "Tiger" software seeding process that lead up to Macworld Expo, Apple Computer last week began redistributing newer builds of the next-generation operating system.

The latest builds, while seemingly fresher than those dispersed by the company late last year, do not include all the doodads featured as part of Steve Jobs' Macworld keynote presentation. The most prominent of omissions appears to be the new version of Dashboard, which in Jobs' presentation contained a sleekly remodeled interface and dock.

But eye-candy aside, the new buildswhich reportedly fall in the 8A35x rangedo offer some insight into the Tiger development process. Based on reports, it appears that Apple is continuing to build and add features to Tiger, although some are not yet functional.

One such feature is reportedly called "Home Sync." While little is known about the feature, a short description present from within the operating system says that Home Sync requires a 'portable home' folder. To create a 'mobile account and portable home,' Tiger then directs users to the system account preferences where an option to create and configure a mobile account should be present, but is not.

Sources speculate that Home Sync may represent the reincarnation of the long-lost 'Home on iPod' feature, but could also represent a more simplified approach to synchronizing the home directory of a desktop and laptop pair. A Home Sync menu, which appears in the Tiger menubar, contains options to set preferences or 'Sync Home Now,' but both lead to dead end within the system.

Meanwhile, it appears that with the release of Tiger, users will have to purchase a professional QuickTime 7 license to perform some previously free features such as opening a new player window. On the other hand, reports indicate that Apple is adding a basic, but built-in Dictionary/Thesaurus application, appropriately named 'Dictionary,' to Mac OS X.

Finally, at the core of Tiger is Spotlight, Apple's meta data-based search technology, which continues to see refinements and additions. The latest builds include a new preference panel designed specifically for Spotlight. Within the panel are two panes. The first pane lets users specify which categories or applications Spotlight is to search, and which it should not, while the second pane allows users to specify directories or folders that Spotlight should never search. Preferences to define Spotlight hot keys are also present.

Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger" is reportedly on schedule to ship during the first half of 2005.
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Hmm... maybe some "wicked frontend" for rsync?
I wonder why it wasn´t there earlier, given that many ppl have a laptop and a PC nowadays...
Between: Would somebody give me the Version Number of this Build? I didn´t load it by now, so I´m not sure...
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Meanwhile, it appears that with the release of Tiger, users will have to purchase a professional QuickTime 7 license to perform some previously free features such as opening a new player window.

Hmm... the fact that it already requires a Pro license to enable full screen playback is silly enough. But to restrict QT even more... that's simply ridiculous
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Nothing "mysterious" at all, this is nothing more than the "Mobile Home Directories" that Apple announced back in June:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004...gerserver.html

Although, I've noticed they're now calling it "Portable Home Directories":

http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/tiger/
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Originally posted by durandal
Hmm... the fact that it already requires a Pro license to enable full screen playback is silly enough. But to restrict QT even more... that's simply ridiculous

Curious, anyway. It seems that Appleis trying to make QT another single window app like other brushed metal apps, and assumably the authoring (pro) environment can still open multiple windows so one can extract video as desired. Not a big deal in itself, but also seems like a bizarre thing to go out of you way and do if nothing else is happening with the app.
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Maybe in the future Apple will charge for quicktime. eventually they could if they increase marketshare.
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That could mean two different things:

Does it mean you can't open multiple QT documents at once? That would be annoying and surprising.

Or does it just mean you can't open a new EMPTY player window from the file menu? THAT makes sense, since you wouldn't be able to assemble any content into it anyway, without Pro.

(I have Pro, so I don't know if opening an empty window from the File meny currently works without Pro.)

And yes, full-screen play really SHOULD be for everyone. And saving movies from the web, too. Those are NOT "pro" features, they are basic.

And if letting people have them meant fewer QT Pro sales... it would also mean more Tiger sales--and another little blow to competitors like MS WMP.
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Originally posted by hugodrax
Maybe in the future Apple will charge for quicktime. eventually they could if they increase marketshare.

And they would very quickly lose said market share with such a decision.
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Originally posted by hugodrax
Maybe in the future Apple will charge for quicktime. eventually they could if they increase marketshare.

It's bad enough that they charge for Pro.
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Originally posted by nagromme
And if letting people have them meant fewer QT Pro sales... it would also mean more Tiger sales--and another little blow to competitors like MS WMP.

I can't imagine anyone deciding to upgrade to tiger just because it let you save movies or do full screen. Hell, save $100 and just get the QTPro key, for goodness sakes.

And before you all start bellyaching about what QT can or can't do in v7, keep in mind that Tiger is in alpha/beta now, and things like 'bugs' sometimes exist in the code (so unless there's something that says "Hey, you freeloading non-QT Pro user, you can't open new windows anymore!", I'd take all abilities or restrictions with a grain of salt.

And don't go up in arms if the home sync feature doesn't make it to final, either. I'd like to be able to sync home folders, too, but if it don't make it, it don't make it. Software development is like that, sometimes.
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It looks like Apple is still in development, although I suspect they are doing a hybrid development and testing model where bug fixes and feedback is on one track for more completed modules, while true development is going on simultaneously.

Anyway, I am VERY happy Apple is still in development given they have said that Tiger is going to be the last update for a couple of years.

I want to get as much wiz bang into the release as possible since this is what we are going to be using for a long time. And of course, since I always complain about it, I hope that iCal 2.0 is a real update and not just a numbering change.

I suspect given the news today, Tiger will be released at WWDC. It will give Jobs the ability to demo in front of the media and the developer community all of the features which are being developed right now and have not been previewed. I originally thought we'd see Tiger at the end of March, but it doesn't look like we have a solid beta right now, so I think if these reports are accurate, March is not the date.

While I would love to have Tiger sooner, I am very happy Apple continues to add more and more functionality.

Tiger is going to be the best release yet.
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Originally posted by durandal
Hmm... the fact that it already requires a Pro license to enable full screen playback is silly enough. But to restrict QT even more... that's simply ridiculous

This is one of these things i'll never quite understand.
It is such a bummer, if you just bought your
shiny new mac, and apparantly it is impossible
to simply watch Movies in fullscreen mode
out of the box.

I can hear already all these complaints by switchers:
"Oh what? This bloody Mini can't play goddamn fullscreen?
Hell with Apple!"

well, my2cents
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Originally posted by durandal
Hmm... the fact that it already requires a Pro license to enable full screen playback is silly enough. But to restrict QT even more... that's simply ridiculous

you realize there are like 50 free apps on versiontracker that let you play full screen quicktimes right?
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Originally posted by ipodandimac
you realize there are like 50 free apps on versiontracker that let you play full screen quicktimes right?

Which could make one say:

1. See doesn't matter don't need full screen quicktime because I can download one of these.

or

2. If dinky xyz shareware place can do this why can't Apple
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Agreed, it's totally chinzy of Apple of to require a Pro key to play QT movies full-screen.

The least they could do -- if they insist on keeping this aggravating policy -- is reduce the price of QT pro to $19.
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Originally posted by ipodandimac
you realize there are like 50 free apps on versiontracker that let you play full screen quicktimes right?

The point is Apples QT policy
distracts, dilutes, disturbs, destroys, blurs
the entire "Out of the Box Experience",
which is beside that issue exceptionally good.

Fullscreen Video is so common sense
that nobody expects less than
fullscreen playback on any Mac.
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I work helpdesk at a University and I've had tons of freshmen coming in really upset that their new 1500 laptop wont even play a simple little full screen video let alone 1/2 the formats they download off the Internet. Full screen is not a Pro feature Apple. It's just about the most basic feature besides play and pause. And for those who say you could just download XYZ app. Sure you could, but that's defeating the purpose of having an easy to use computer that "just works" out of the box. Quit crippling your computers and making WMP look all the better Apple and get a clue. Keep QT Pro for the content creators and keep the standard QT full featured for all consumer needs.
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Originally posted by ch@os
Nothing "mysterious" at all, this is nothing more than the "Mobile Home Directories" that Apple announced back in June:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004...gerserver.html

Although, I've noticed they're now calling it "Portable Home Directories":

http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/tiger/

Hmm, only on OS X Server? That sucks. That's about the only feature that's piqued my interest in Tiger so far. It's looking like I'll skip this release so far.
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Originally posted by foshizzle
Hmm, only on OS X Server? That sucks. That's about the only feature that's piqued my interest in Tiger so far. It's looking like I'll skip this release so far.

seriously, that's very ignorant of you. but it'll be your loss.
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Originally posted by applenut
seriously, that's very ignorant of you. but it'll be your loss.

ignorant of me? or maybe i've read about and even used builds of tiger and haven't seen anything worth upgrading for yet.
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ignorant of me? or maybe i've read about and even used builds of tiger and haven't seen anything worth upgrading for yet.

did you upgrade to 10.3?

would you be happy with 8.6?
are mobile home directories the only thing you really want in an OS?
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Originally posted by york2600
I work helpdesk at a University and I've had tons of freshmen coming in really upset that their new 1500 laptop wont even play a simple little full screen video let alone 1/2 the formats they download off the Internet. Full screen is not a Pro feature Apple. It's just about the most basic feature besides play and pause. And for those who say you could just download XYZ app. Sure you could, but that's defeating the purpose of having an easy to use computer that "just works" out of the box. Quit crippling your computers and making WMP look all the better Apple and get a clue. Keep QT Pro for the content creators and keep the standard QT full featured for all consumer needs.

Hey, I'd like to know what videos everyone's getting off the internet. I can't say I've downloaded or viewed much of anything (a few news reports, that type of deal, but beyond that), and little of that did I go "Wow, wish this was full screen!".

[Hey, out of the box, I can't figure out how to get WMP to play a DVD full screen and hide the freakin' control bar. But I only tried for 30 minutes. Usually it takes an hour or two to figure out windows things. Then again, it took me over an hour to help a friend to get Outlook to let her open an attachment someone emailed her. Apparently MS thinks so little of their users that they literally have Outlook block a huge set of files from being opened or even saved because they COULD contain viruses or something. MS, your second mother. I hear best buy is going to stop selling people electronic equipment, because people could electrocute themselves. Hey, but enough ranting about MS, let's rant more about Apple, for goodness sakes!]

Blast it Apple, I can't see my on-line porn movies in full screen!
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Hey, I'd like to know what videos everyone's getting off the internet. I can't say I've downloaded or viewed much of anything (a few news reports, that type of deal, but beyond that), and little of that did I go "Wow, wish this was full screen!".

[Hey, out of the box, I can't figure out how to get WMP to play a DVD full screen and hide the freakin' control bar. But I only tried for 30 minutes. Usually it takes an hour or two to figure out windows things. Then again, it took me over an hour to help a friend to get Outlook to let her open an attachment someone emailed her. Apparently MS thinks so little of their users that they literally have Outlook block a huge set of files from being opened or even saved because they COULD contain viruses or something. MS, your second mother. I hear best buy is going to stop selling people electronic equipment, because people could electrocute themselves. Hey, but enough ranting about MS, let's rant more about Apple, for goodness sakes!]

Blast it Apple, I can't see my on-line porn movies in full screen!

What people want full screen:

A) Porn
B) Music Videos
C) Divx flicks which will never ever ever play right
D) VCDS
E) Still camera video files

That's what people have always complained to me about. BTW if you go fullscreen in WMP move the mouse off the controller for about 3 seconds and it goes away. That was a damn good feature on Microsoft's part.
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F) Movie trailers off Apple's own site
G) Stevenotes
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F) Movie trailers off Apple's own site
G) Stevenotes

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and QT rendered iMovies of course (if you don't
burn them on DVD)
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That could mean two different things:

Does it mean you can't open multiple QT documents at once? That would be annoying and surprising.

Or does it just mean you can't open a new EMPTY player window from the file menu? THAT makes sense, since you wouldn't be able to assemble any content into it anyway, without Pro.

(I have Pro, so I don't know if opening an empty window from the File meny currently works without Pro.)

And yes, full-screen play really SHOULD be for everyone. And saving movies from the web, too. Those are NOT "pro" features, they are basic.

And if letting people have them meant fewer QT Pro sales... it would also mean more Tiger sales--and another little blow to competitors like MS WMP.

They are essentially just copying the format of windows media I expect.
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Sorry to derail the QT bashing...

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...while the second pane allows users to specify directories or folders that Spotlight should never search.

This gets a resounding YES! from me. There's nothing like the pain of accidentally hiting an "everywhere" search with either an iDisk mounted, or a remote volume on a slow connection, like across the internet. Beachball city.

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Originally posted by adpowers
F) Movie trailers off Apple's own site
G) Stevenotes

Odd, I was able to watch this last keynote full screen on my iBook using QT player. I think the option was "present movie" which is command-shift-f.

I don't have QT-pro so figured either Apple moved the feature down or they allow it with some movies.
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Originally posted by foshizzle
Hmm, only on OS X Server? That sucks. That's about the only feature that's piqued my interest in Tiger so far. It's looking like I'll skip this release so far.

It's not a feature exclusive to Mac OS X Server, but does require it. It's a client - server relationship, parts are on both the client and the server.

Portable (formerly Mobile) Home Directories are basically an extension of the networked home directories in OS X Server - now with local caching (for offline access) and syncing (online).
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Originally posted by applenut
seriously, that's very ignorant of you. but it'll be your loss.

No, ignorant is you for trying to judge his personal opinion as wrong. It's pretty obnoxious to throw around such a word when the issue at hand is an opinion which doesn't affect your life one bit.


That said, my main wish for Tiger is much improved networking over Panther. Even if they get it back to Jaguar's network performance I would be happy.

but of course, that is just my opinion.
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Apple should integrate .Mac services into the Tiger Server release this summer (if not, certainly include it in later versions). Jobs seems to be headed down this path with the iChat server to be included in Tiger. See: Enterprise Mac: .Mac Integration into Tiger Server
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Apple should integrate .Mac services into the Tiger Server release this summer (if not, certainly include it in later versions). Jobs seems to be headed down this path with the iChat server to be included in Tiger. See: Enterprise Mac: .Mac Integration into Tiger Server
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my main wish for Tiger is much improved networking over Panther. Even if they get it back to Jaguar's network performance I would be happy.

What's wrong with Panther's network performance? I can swear it's better than in Jaguar. Moreover, it's been getting better with every major release. If you have problems with your network, you should really troubleshoot it, because there are hundreds of tricky issues which don't have anything to do with an OS.
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What's wrong with Panther's network performance? I can swear it's better than in Jaguar. Moreover, it's been getting better with every major release. If you have problems with your network, you should really troubleshoot it, because there are hundreds of tricky issues which don't have anything to do with an OS.


establishing network connections after a boot, or waking from sleep are ridiculously slow. And if you have a server volume mounted when the machine goes to sleep, you get the spinning beachball of death for a minute or 2 before it decides it has lost the connection to the server. Under jaguar my connections simply re-established themselves quickly, and without any hold-ups or loss of connections.

Speed-wise performance is fine in Panther. So I guess I shouldn't beef about network performance, more like the speed at which connections are established. And forget about browsing for a server, that is just painfully slow.

Just a few minor thorns in my side that I would love to see cleared up in Tiger.
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Originally posted by PDubNYC
No, ignorant is you for trying to judge his personal opinion as wrong. It's pretty obnoxious to throw around such a word when the issue at hand is an opinion which doesn't affect your life one bit.


That said, my main wish for Tiger is much improved networking over Panther. Even if they get it back to Jaguar's network performance I would be happy.

but of course, that is just my opinion.

no it's ignorant of him to ignore all the other benefits and improvements in Tiger. He seems very much of an "on the outside kind of guy". It'll be his loss when he realized much of the software he wants to use relies on the new and improved frameworks in Tiger.

Don't be ignorant and obnoxious when accusing someone of the same.
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establishing network connections after a boot, or waking from sleep are ridiculously slow.

Not sure about sleep since I never put a networked machine to sleep (if you think about it, it's quite ambiguous - a machine must be either available and awake or unavailable at all). All network connections, in my case, mounting sharepoints, are instantaneous both right after boot or after several days of work.
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And if you have a server volume mounted when the machine goes to sleep, you get the spinning beachball of death for a minute or 2 before it decides it has lost the connection to the server. Under jaguar my connections simply re-established themselves quickly, and without any hold-ups or loss of connections.

You may be absolutely right - just remember that it's a dangerous practice. Nobody guarantees that some app you use won't crash and lose unsaved data in these circumstances.
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And forget about browsing for a server, that is just painfully slow.

On our 100Mb Ethernet network file browsing in the Finder is really slow. At least, you can always tell if you are browsing a remote volume. However, it makes no difference when using CLI and this makes me think that the Finder sucks. Of course, it loads icons, calculates folder sizes and all that, but I seriously hope it could be faster.
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Of course, it loads icons, calculates folder sizes and all that, but I seriously hope it could be faster.

I agree. I have a server on a LAN, and have custom icons on some fo my server folders. I can get slow at times.
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Originally posted by applenut
no it's ignorant of him to ignore all the other benefits and improvements in Tiger. He seems very much of an "on the outside kind of guy". It'll be his loss when he realized much of the software he wants to use relies on the new and improved frameworks in Tiger.

Don't be ignorant and obnoxious when accusing someone of the same.


again, benefits are a matter of opinion and based on how an idividual needs to work. If the new features of Tiger don't appeal to him, or improve his present style of working, who the F are you to tell him he is ignorant?

All I'm saying is that you could have expressed your view of things in a much better manner than throwing a word like ignorant around when it is not even apropriate.

and to Costique:
you are right about asking for trouble letting a machine go to sleep with unsaved documents. I was not talking about doing that. Most people, if not all know better than to do that here at the office. But my solution to dropping the network mounts has been to just not allow the machines to sleep. oh well, it works for now.
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