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Apple Computer has initiated a partnership with Wal-Mart that will soon see the iPod shuffle featured at Wal-Mart discount locations around the country, AppleInsider has learned.

According to sources close to the retail giant, Wal-Mart in April will begin receiving mass quantities of Apple's new iPod shuffle digital music player, which it will then make available in many, if not all, of its nearly 5000 locations.

The deal between the two companies will be capped by a feature in Wal-Mart's March tabular advertisement, sources say.

Typically speaking, a Wal-Mart feature calls for at least 50 units -- in this case 25+ of each shuffle model -- per hometown store, while metro area locations would require significantly larger quantities of the product.

Figuring conservatively, with 5000 stores each receiving approximately 50 units, the feature alone would demand a quarter million shuffles. "That of course is in addition to regular sell through, and is a very conservative number," sources added.

Wal-Mart, which initially seemed willing to provide AppleInsider with specifics of the endeavor, abruptly recanted on its offer, citing confidentiality agreements with its suppliers.

The company also declined to say whether it would begin carrying Apple's new Mac mini computer. However, sources claim this is unlikely due to the mini's higher price point and lack of mainstream appeal.

Also on Friday, word broke that Best Buy had signed on to carry Apple's Mac mini in some of its retail stores. A report in The Mac Observer provides subsequent confirmation of the deal, adding that Best Buy will also begin marketing the 512MB iPod shuffle at over 780 of its stores.

In its investigation into the Wal-Mart deal, AppleInsider learned that the retailer had originally sought to launch its feature of the iPod shuffle a little later in the year. Apple reportedly told Wal-Mart it would be unable to guarantee sufficient quantity for all its stores at this later date, suggesting it may have already committed to similar deals with other large retailers within the same time frame.
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oh man. . .
Wal Mart? Isn't that the place where the employees make minimum wage (or, less, if they can find contractors who'll hire illegal immigrants for them as they look the other way?) and have to pay more than the average worker does to get their families insured?
Isn't that the place that keeps their lawyers busy defending them against class action lawsuits detailing no pay for hours worked, women unable to become managers, etc.?

Sigh.
say it ain't so, Steve. . .
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Walmart+apple=temporary insanity!!!
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the Wammy-lart = the world's largest single retail chain. Essentially this is the action of the plebs seeing a lovely wooden horse outside and hauling it onto the sales floor for distribution into houses everywhere.

Two elements to this decision:
1. iTMS will make a bloody fortune - Walmart has their own music store, but sadly, it's incompatible, and who really wants their music censored anyway? Enter the Halo Effect(tm)*
2. if the shuffle does well, you may just see the mini on Walmart sales floors. Increased Mac sales will reduce the average stress level of the joe six pack consumer due to zilch on the virus and spyware front making the North Atlantic area glow with happiness, they'll purchase more technology, leading us into an economic renaissance leading to prosperity and joy for all and the streets will flow free will milk and honey.

Seriously though, with due respect to the red and blue smocks out there, it matters not what the compensation model is for staff at Walmart (which I imagine isn't near as bad as what you've described). This is la capitalisme! Don't like your job? Get a better one. Can't get a better one? Go get an education for Jobs sake!

Walmart is just another lovely distribution channel to invade and conquer. Rule Mactania, yo.


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The end times are near
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Great for Apple, and ultimately the Mac platform... but Wal-Mart deserves a boycott if anyone ever did! For an ENDLESS list of reasons. (These are the people that put up a store half a mile from the ancient Pyramid of the Sun in Mexico--despite local objections.)

If you have WMP or Real, check out this PBS documentary on Wal-Mart:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../walmart/view/
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Originally posted by sheilae
oh man. . .
Wal Mart? Isn't that the place where the employees make minimum wage (or, less, if they can find contractors who'll hire illegal immigrants for them as they look the other way?) and have to pay more than the average worker does to get their families insured?
Isn't that the place that keeps their lawyers busy defending them against class action lawsuits detailing no pay for hours worked, women unable to become managers, etc.?

Sigh.
say it ain't so, Steve. . .

No, most of their employees are full-time employees (they said so in an ad I saw). But, then again, full-time is something like 28 hours, so maybe that means nothing.

But they don't have to make much, since they can shop at walmart. The money they save is money Walmart doesn't have to pay them.

Of course, putting Apple stuff in Walmarts is completely nuts. Apple products are about class and quality. Walmart stuff is about cheap crap produced by the lowest off-shore bidder (all part of Sam Walton's Patriotic vision, I'm sure). I've never been to a Wal-mart that was messy and cluttered, aisles partially blocked with half-assed displays, everything on the shelves looking like someone rummaged through it at 5am thinking their alarm clock was in there, and, if you're lucky, what you're looking for will be on the shelf it should be, rather than over here, or over there, or whereever someone decided to deposit it. Shopping in a Wal-mart is not done for the enjoyment of it, its because you either have to, or just want to try to save money on paper towels or buy some cheap clothes or a DVD player as a gift for someone.
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This is like a warm toilet seat - technically a good thing, but makes you feel bad.

I despise Walmart, but can't ignore the market validation (value) that this gives Apple and the shuffle.

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I don't have any problem with Wal mart. I don't go there myself more than once or twice a year, but I have no problem with the place. I think it will be good to have the shuffle sold at Walmart. I'm not sure how well it will sell there, but it is something to try.
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Wal-Mart isn't the only new retailer selling Apple stuff. Best Buy is going to add the Mac mini, there was recently a picture of a book store chain (Borders or Barnes & Noble) with minis on the service counter. Won't be long before you'll be able to get a Mac mini or iPod shuffle at a lot of places. That is going to blow sales out in about 4 - 6 months when supply catches up with demand.

Regardless of what you think of Wal-Mart there is no doubt that Apple has caught the attention of retailers and this is going to have a huge impact on the performance of the stock in the next quarter.
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If there was any doubt that Apple is ready to shed it's "luxury" image, and play the down n' dirty low-budget world, that doubt is now squashed.
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Walmart stuff is about cheap crap produced by the lowest off-shore bidder (all part of Sam Walton's Patriotic vision, I'm sure). I've never been to a Wal-mart that was messy and cluttered, aisles partially blocked with half-assed displays, everything on the shelves looking like someone rummaged through it at 5am thinking their alarm clock was in there, and, if you're lucky, what you're looking for will be on the shelf it should be, rather than over here, or over there, or whereever someone decided to deposit it. Shopping in a Wal-mart is not done for the enjoyment of it, its because you either have to, or just want to try to save money on paper towels or buy some cheap clothes or a DVD player as a gift for someone. [/B]

The wal-mart near my house is not like that at all.
It is clean, well orgainsed, and the stuff there is
good stuff (not cheap crap) for the most part. I don't
like the electronics or shoe sections, admittedly.

The auto section is the best place to get a new
car battery.

I recently bought some cool rubbermaid containers with
locking tops to organise my computer and audio cable
collection. Except for the parking, I like wal-mart.
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Originally posted by kenaustus
Regardless of what you think of Wal-Mart there is no doubt that Apple has caught the attention of retailers and this is going to have a huge impact on the performance of the stock in the next quarter.

Well, if the stock value goes up, it must be a good thing! For everyone! One would have to be stupid, a Communist, or hate America/freedom to think otherwise.
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Originally posted by wilco
Well, if the stock value goes up, it must be a good thing! One would have to be stupid, a Communist, or hate America/freedom to think otherwise.

The stock value goes up because of expectations of future earnings. The *only* purpose of a company is to get a good return on the investment of its owners, while staying within the law. So if the stock value goes up, they did the right thing.

If they lied to make the stock value go up, then it would be different (entirely contrary to the core purposes of return for investors and staying within the law).
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I won't shop at Wal-Mart. Or Sam's Club. Thankfully, there are choices, and here in Northern California, there are plenty of stores that provide a living wage to their employees, as well as the extra benefits, like health care.

I see those Wal-Mart commercials on TV, too. Read the facts.
http://www.ufcw.org/worker_political...rm/walmart.cfm
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Walmart will soon demand cheaper and cheaper and cheaper. There is no way to do cheaper and cheaper and cheaper.

say it ain't so!

stick to Target!!!!!
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Originally posted by e1618978
The stock value goes up because of expectations of future earnings. The *only* purpose of a company is to get a good return on the investment of its owners, while staying within the law. So if the stock value goes up, they did the right thing.

If they lied to make the stock value go up, then it would be different (entirely contrary to the core purposes of return for investors and staying within the law).


Yes, a "good return". It's fair to say that Apple investors have already got a good return on their investment.

The question is how far do you go once you've already provided a good return? Should you team up with any company -- regardless of its horribly exploitive track record -- as long as it increases shareholder's profits even more?

Yeah, I know -- "it's capitalism." But Apple is being hypocritical by flaunting it's free-thinking image, while getting into bed with Walmart
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Yes, a "good return". It's fair to say that Apple investors have already got a good return on their investment.

The question is how far do you go once you've already provided a good return? Should you team up with any company -- regardless of its horribly exploitive track record -- as long as it increases shareholder's profits even more?

Yeah, I know -- "it's capitalism." But Apple is being hypocritical by flaunting it's free-thinking image, while getting into bed with Walmart

No, good returns are never allowed to end.
You invest the money in stock, which is higher
risk than investing in fixed income. In exchange
for that risk, you are entitled to a higher return.

The directors and CEO of the company you invested
in are *required* to give you the best return you
can get. If you can prove that they didn't,
then you can sue them (and shareholder lawsuits
are common).
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Originally posted by wilco
Well, if the stock value goes up, it must be a good thing! For everyone! One would have to be stupid, a Communist, or hate America/freedom to think otherwise.

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Originally posted by sheilae
I won't shop at Wal-Mart. Or Sam's Club. Thankfully, there are choices, and here in Northern California, there are plenty of stores that provide a living wage to their employees, as well as the extra benefits, like health care.

I see those Wal-Mart commercials on TV, too. Read the facts.
http://www.ufcw.org/worker_political...rm/walmart.cfm

Imagine that, a labor union complaining about wal-mart. \

This has less to do with concern over wal-mart employees and more to do with the membership dues from the million plus employees they aren't getting because wal-mart isn't unionized.
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Originally posted by wilco
Yes, a "good return". It's fair to say that Apple investors have already got a good return on their investment.

The question is how far do you go once you've already provided a good return? Should you team up with any company -- regardless of its horribly exploitive track record -- as long as it increases shareholder's profits even more?

Yeah, I know -- "it's capitalism." But Apple is being hypocritical by flaunting it's free-thinking image, while getting into bed with Walmart

Hypocritical?!! WTF are you talking about? Apple is a business, not a religion!!They need to expand their business constantly or they will be out of it. Don't think for one second that competition will not be heating up.

I for one applaud this move.
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If Apple ships 50 (25 of each Shuffle model)to the following stores:

(the) 1500 Target stores
(the) 2500 Walmart/Sams Club stores
(the) 1000 Best Buy stores
(the) 1000 CompUSA stores

Total iPods Apple need to ship:
300,000 iPod Shuffle's

Thats not counting the Apple stores and 3rd party independent resellers like Mac Mall and Mac Connection and local resellers.

So bottom line figure... um... 350,000-375,000

If Apple sold that figure in 3 months that would make the Shuffle the fastest and biggest selling audio device of any format (8track, CD, casesset, ect.)

The iPod Shuffle would also have 40-60 percent of the so called "flash based" digital music player market.

Sweet!!!

Only hope Apple can keep up that kind of demand.

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Don't like your job? Get a better one. Can't get a better one? Go get an education for Jobs sake!

Spoken like someone that has never been in the situation.

Couple of thoughts to ponder...

If someone is barely making a living wage, how are they to afford any training or education?

I read about one case where Wal-Mart came into town...overall prices were reduced by 15%...wages by 30%. You do the math.

I am a capitalist and a free-market one at that...but I am also asking questions about the effect of things like asymmetrical power, wealth and information on the freedom of the marketplace.

Oh...and BTW if we had a true free-market economy in the U.S. this might be a better argument. We don't. People need to realize this, own up to it stop saying that we do.

EDIT: This is rapidly turning into an AO/PO thread. Oops. Sorry to contribute to that.
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If there was any doubt that Apple is ready to shed it's "luxury" image, and play the down n' dirty low-budget world, that doubt is now squashed.

If there was any doubt that Apple is ready to shed any semblance of an ethical business strategy, that doubt is now squashed.

Yes, this will increase market share, but it's hardly worth doing business with the worst labor-rights offender in the U.S. to do so. Spineless stuff like this is the reason I have not bought an Apple product for over 3 years. It's not enough motivation to make me switch to another hardware manufacturer (none are all that great), but it is enough to "make do" rather than upgrade my hardware...
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Apple is a business, not a religion!!


It is more like a cult actually
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Add me to the "hate Wal-Mart but love that they're selling Apple equipment". While I'll never buy at one, zillions do, and I'm glad they'll be buying Apple. Until people stop buying there, there's no point in not selling there.

It will be a tug-of-war, of course, between Wal-Mart and Apple over who gets profits from where, price protection, bulk discounts, etc. Apple will probably not make as much money per unit on these deals as from their own stores, which will probably cause additional pressure, but as they say, they'll make it up in volume.

I don't see this being a happy marriage, until payday, of course. Money talks.
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Let's get some things straight here, people.

1) Apple is not a club for dedicated fanboys. It's a business. If you care anything about making sure that Apple is here tomorrow, then you'll want to see them propser and succeed. Selling iPods in Wal-Mart does not reduce the quality of the product being sold.

2) Wal-Mart's vision has changed since the death of Sam Walton. The Buy America / Made in America emphasis vanished soon after Sam died. Get your freaking history straight.

3) If you want to really improve the status of American workers, then stop penalizing businesses. The biggest reason for offshoring jobs and for repressive workplaces is the amount of regulation that exists and the 20% tax of Medicaid and Social Security (which no-one under 40 will ever see). That kind of onerous taxation forces buisnesses to cut corners every way they can.

4) If you think that Wal-Mart is bad for hiring illegal aliens (an unproven charge), then you'd better be doing something about illegal immigration and not just moaning about Wal-Mart. I don't see any "Tom Tancredo for President" signatures, here.

I'm so sick and tired of all this "well if it gets too popular then it sucks" mentality. Repeat after me: "Apple is not a club for fanboys. It makes computers. It makes electronic products. We buy them because they're good, not because where they're sold."

~A
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Let me see if I understand some of the thinking here:

-Everybody complains that Apple doesn't do enough to increase their market share, but when they turn to the largest retailers to help sell their stuff, everybody complains about that as well.

There are alot of areas without Apple Stores (mine) but we have numerous Walmarts and Best Buys. To those of us in "smaller" markets, this is the only way to get hands on with Apple products. If you want Apple to reach a broader audience, like it or not, it means getting companies like this involved.
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Let's get some things straight here, people.

1) Apple is not a club for dedicated fanboys. It's a business. If you care anything about making sure that Apple is here tomorrow, then you'll want to see them propser and succeed. Selling iPods in Wal-Mart does not reduce the quality of the product being sold.

2) Wal-Mart's vision has changed since the death of Sam Walton. The Buy America / Made in America emphasis vanished soon after Sam died. Get your freaking history straight.

3) If you want to really improve the status of American workers, then stop penalizing businesses. The biggest reason for offshoring jobs and for repressive workplaces is the amount of regulation that exists and the 20% tax of Medicaid and Social Security (which no-one under 40 will ever see). That kind of onerous taxation forces buisnesses to cut corners every way they can.

4) If you think that Wal-Mart is bad for hiring illegal aliens (an unproven charge), then you'd better be doing something about illegal immigration and not just moaning about Wal-Mart. I don't see any "Tom Tancredo for President" signatures, here.

I'm so sick and tired of all this "well if it gets too popular then it sucks" mentality. Repeat after me: "Apple is not a club for fanboys. It makes computers. It makes electronic products. We buy them because they're good, not because where they're sold."

~A

1) Correct.

2) Correct.

3) Generally agreed...however the regulatory burdens are never quite as bad as big business likes to whine about (they'd like to have NONE) and the tax rate you mention is a tad high (for just those two)...more like 10% for the employer's portion...employees pay the other half.

4) Agreed.

Agreed with the elitism. Quit whining about small marketshare (Mac) and then whining when Apple trys to increase marketshare (iPod).
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the worst labor-rights offender in the U.S.

Imagine that, the biggest employer has the most labor complaints. In our other expose, the biggest loaf of bread has the most wheat.
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Maybe we'll be able to get bundles of 5 ipod shuffles at Sam's Club...
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It must also be remembered that the consumer plays a BIG role in this cycle. Retailers must compete for consumers by offering lower prices. In order to offer the lowest price and still make the profits that their shareholders expect, they have to get the products from their suppliers at lower prices. The Americans consumers expectation for the lowest possible price directly feeds the need for manufacturers to find less expensive ways to produce goods; which in many cases means that workers in other countries end up manufacturing those goods.

The PBS documentary posted by nagromme made a very good point in showing the ways China has created an unfair advantage for themselves. Though this isn't wal-marts fault, it's unfortunate that wal-mart took their sides in the case of the television manufacturers. It also highlights a certain level of naivete and stupidity in the former Clinton administration (but they did get some big campaign contributions as I remember from it).
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It must also be remembered that the consumer plays a BIG role in this cycle. Retailers must compete for consumers by offering lower prices. In order to offer the lowest price and still make the profits that their shareholders expect, they have to get the products from their suppliers at lower prices. The Americans consumers expectation for the lowest possible price directly feeds the need for manufacturers to find less expensive ways to produce goods; which in many cases means that workers in other countries end up manufacturing those goods.

This is correct. In a nutshell the problem stems from the answer to the question "How much is enough?" always being "More" (usually for less in return). From consumers to vendors...from individuals to corporations...everyone is always trying to get more for less.
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Should be a good move for apple.

I do, personally, avoid wallmart if at all possible.

I have never been in one that didn't smell like a combination of B.O. and stale urine.
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Great. Now I can listen to my iPod Shuffle while running around the Pyramid of the Sun.

I hate walmart, I never personally buy stuff there but my fammily does. I buy everything at Target, preferably the one in west hollywod. Its completely run by gay guys so it has the best stuff
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Perhaps living too close to a nuclear-free zone skews my reasoning, but I have always paid amounts higher (sometimes way higher) than all my PC buds to own macs. It didn't bother me.

I figure, I'm Apple's base. I don't just buy Mac Mini's and ipod shuffles- I buy Powerbooks and G5 Powermacs, Cinema Displays. . . and I talk my bosses into the same. As I drive around in my (somewhat) environmentally correct vehicle, my Apple sticker sits happily next to the flying cardboard box Calvin/Hobbes on the rear window.

Apple was cool, they did the R&D thing while Bill & Co. did the reverse engineering gig. Man, I never had to think about Apple scr@wing anyone before. . .

But now. . . now I'm supposed to feel good with the concept that, wow, I can pay less for my mac products and know thousands of hard working Americans selling them to me (increasing the almighty Apple marketshare!) can't afford to bring their kids to the doctor? Steve, how about it? Can you imagine what it would be like not to have health insurance for you and your family?

I want to feel good about the things I buy. If Apple's new statement is "we need more marketshare, and we'll do anything to get it then I dont feel too warm and comfy buying an Apple. Heck, I may as well just buy an HP and discuss the shortfalls of the American educational system with Carly.
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Imagine that, the biggest employer has the most labor complaints. In our other expose, the biggest loaf of bread has the most wheat.

You seem to be equating "worst" with "most complaints". This isn't ncessarily so. It is possible that Wal-Mart receives the same number of complaints (as a percentage) but that the complaints it receives are of a worse nature than other employers. Mind you, I don't know that what I just said is true (or false)...but I do know that "worst" does not (automatically) equate to "most complaints".
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Originally posted by Aurora72
Let's get some things straight here, people.

3) If you want to really improve the status of American workers, then stop penalizing businesses. The biggest reason for offshoring jobs and for repressive workplaces is the amount of regulation that exists and the 20% tax of Medicaid and Social Security (which no-one under 40 will ever see). That kind of onerous taxation forces buisnesses to cut corners every way they can.
~A

Had to jump in on this one. I am affraid you have your facts wrong here. First its not as high as 20%. Second the worker pays half that directly and a bit more in the form of an otherwise lower wage.

But that is all nit picking. Any tax cut means an eventual drop in government spending. If thats what you want fine. But instead of bemouning this or that tax start saying exactly which government programs suck and we should get rid of. Same goes with regulation. Tell us which should go.

I am not saying g. spending cant be cut or some regulations could go. But tell us which ones, don't just say cut taxes.

Oh and re no one over 40 getting it. That is a big fat lie the current administration is pushing. If nothing is done there is enough and will be enough to pay all of us young guys and gals 70% of the current promised amount. That is hardly getting nothing.
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Perhaps living too close to a nuclear-free zone skews my reasoning, but I have always paid amounts higher (sometimes way higher) than all my PC buds to own macs. It didn't bother me.

I figure, I'm Apple's base. I don't just buy Mac Mini's and ipod shuffles- I buy Powerbooks and G5 Powermacs, Cinema Displays. . . and I talk my bosses into the same. As I drive around in my (somewhat) environmentally correct vehicle, my Apple sticker sits happily next to the flying cardboard box Calvin/Hobbes on the rear window.

Apple was cool, they did the R&D thing while Bill & Co. did the reverse engineering gig. Man, I never had to think about Apple scr@wing anyone before. . .

But now. . . now I'm supposed to feel good with the concept that, wow, I can pay less for my mac products and know thousands of hard working Americans selling them to me (increasing the almighty Apple marketshare!) can't afford to bring their kids to the doctor? Steve, how about it? Can you imagine what it would be like not to have health insurance for you and your family?

I want to feel good about the things I buy. If Apple's new statement is "we need more marketshare, and we'll do anything to get it then I dont feel too warm and comfy buying an Apple. Heck, I may as well just buy an HP and discuss the shortfalls of the American educational system with Carly.

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Oh those peasents at the wall-mart are just so loathsome,
they cannot even afford flat screen monitors. I will not
buy from their stores, they should get jobs at better stores
then they can serve me. Let them eat cake.
[\\upper class voice]

seriously, you come off as a total snob. Wal-mart helps the
poor by reducing the prices of goods.

And I had no idea what you meant by "nuclear free zone" -
how does that relate to anything?
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