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post #81 of 198
I've just placed an order for a 15" 1.67Ghz PB.
It's costing me just under $3700 AUD with 100GB HD, 1GB ram & 128mb vram (not sure how useful this is given I don't own a 30" display).

I've been an apple user for years, but I must admit osX on a PB can feel sluggish at times. My friend recently bought a 17"PB (the model prior to this update) and I must say osX seems sluggish compared to windows XP at certain tasks like loading CDs/DVD etc.

But I figure this powerbook has got to be better than the 400MHz G4 Powermac desktop I'm currently using at home
post #82 of 198
Hey hey hey! Relax people.

Its not quite the G5 or Dual Core everyone was hoping for, but hey...it ain't bad.

If you already own a recent powerbook, it probably doesn't pay to update. But if you have a really outdated pb or don't have one at all, its a good deal.

1) Nice price drop
2) 512 megs of ram across the board.(Finally! Maybe this will be a new trend!)
3) Faster Super Drive!
4) Faster HD across the board!
5) Scroll track pad
6) Sudden motion sensor
7) Built in Airport & enhanced Bluetooth

Yes its still a G4...but all in all, a great deal. Let apple do the G5 right. My guess it won't be announced until WWDC this summer at the very earliest. If you can wait, wait. But If you really need a new powerbook now, get one of these babies. Then if they come out with the G5 pbs by the end of the year, and there are no major bugs or heat/battery issues, sell your recently purchased G4 powerbook for a miimum loss, and trade up for a G5 pb.

Really simple.

But all the complaining in the world is pointless in my mind. Apple will release the G5 pb when its ready. It'll be worth the wait. Although you just know that when it does come out, there will be some who will complain that it doesn't have this or that! Some people are just never satisfied.
post #83 of 198
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Originally posted by hmurchison
No you guys don't have to backtrack.

Dell laptops suck. That Inspiron 9200 starts at 7.7lbs before you add in battery and optical drive. That's damn near a 9lb laptop.

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I second that. I was looking at my friend's laptop in class the other day. The bottom plastic on the base is a different color than the top part and I asked him, "Why do you have it hooked up to a dock?" He said, what dock? The laptop is as thick as a brick.

Getting my first mac tomorrow. PB 17" (I'll be the only one in my class with a mac ;-(
post #84 of 198
anyone know what the previous pricepoints were for the powerbooks, just to see if they've gone down any?

plus, i'll bet steve et al. thought "well, they're not going to like us not cramming a g5 in a case for them, let's throw an additional 256 MB Ram in all the units to throw them a bone."
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post #85 of 198
It seems like the incremental update everyone was expecting it to be. (opinion though). If they work for you, great, if not, hold out for the G5.

The Sudden Motion Sensor is a really cool feature, though, IBM ThinkPad's (i suppose the luxury lines in the win laptop market) have had a feature like that for awhile now, and from what I hear, its rather impressive.

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post #86 of 198
Any word on whether or not the screen's were updated? Thats the one major sticking point outside of the 167mhz bus, that is stopping me from buying a PB. I've compared the Rev C's with other laptops, and its horrible, IMO.
post #87 of 198
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Originally posted by regan
Hey hey hey! Relax people.

Its not quite the G5 or Dual Core everyone was hoping for, but hey...it ain't bad.

If you already own a recent powerbook, it probably doesn't pay to update. But if you have a really outdated pb or don't have one at all, its a good deal.

...snip...

Well said!
post #88 of 198
Windows laptops tend to be big and thick and heavy, OR sacrifice features (things like an optical drive!) to be thin. The PowerBook line manages to be both ultra-portable AND full-featured. Apple also has THE best reliability record for laptops in the industry, consistently year after year (see large-scale surveys by Consumer Reports). And regardless, Windows laptops aren't remotely competitive unless you find Windows to be a suitable alternative to Mac OS X. Given those factors, today we have better laptops available than we did yesterday, for better prices. And even my "lowly" 1.25 GHz PowerBook is enough to run my whole business well, from 3D rendering to video editing... and is fun for UT2004 besides.

HOWEVER: A Pentium M laptop is definitely a smarter choice for render farms.

Choose the right tool for the job. Sometimes raw GHz matters more than connectivity, size, weight, ease-of-use, excellent bundled software, quality components, and freedom from viruses and spyware.
post #89 of 198
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Originally posted by 1984
Fiber Optic In/Out is only available on the 17" model. No 128MB graphics option on the 1.5 GHz model anymore. What good are price cuts if you are forced to pick from the more expensive options? Damn you Apple.

128 is available on the faster 15" though. Making a zillion variations, like putting the top video board with the lowest CPU, wouldn't help sales that much and would increase the cost--to Apple, and to us. More different boards to design, test, predict demand for, build, and stock. Not worth it unless it will be widely needed.

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Originally posted by IIDX
The Sudden Motion Sensor is a really cool feature, though, IBM ThinkPad's (i suppose the luxury lines in the win laptop market) have had a feature like that for awhile now, and from what I hear, its rather impressive.

I can't wait to try it out
post #90 of 198
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Originally posted by Placebo
If it works, yes. It's like airbags for your laptop.

Um well, drop your PowerBook, dent the case, break the screen, but at least your data will be ok.
post #91 of 198
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Originally posted by archer75
right click does display the open option, which does not autorun, it opens the explore window. There is also an "explore" option, but it does the same thing.
But on the right click menu there is an "autoplay" entry which will launch the autorun.
I have not tweaked any settings after a clean install. This is the way it has always worked. So I have no idea why it would be any different for you.


Guys, This is an APPLE message board. Take your WINDOWS discussions elsewhere. I switched to Mac so I would never have to hear about that crappy interface ever again.
post #92 of 198
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post #93 of 198
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Originally posted by iDave
Um well, drop your PowerBook, dent the case, break the screen, but at least your data will be ok.

for some people, that's all that matters... plus, the drop would be covered under applecare for repairs.
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post #94 of 198
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Originally posted by rok
for some people, that's all that matters... plus, the drop would be covered under applecare for repairs.

I think you're only dreaming about Applecare covering dropped PowerBooks. You're right though, the data is the most important thing.
post #95 of 198
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Originally posted by iDave
I think you're only dreaming about Applecare covering dropped PowerBooks.

um ya. been there, done that, still have a dent b/c i refuse to pay 600 bucks. (even w/ applecare)
post #96 of 198
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Originally posted by archer75
Mac users seem to think that viruses and spyware run rampant on windows machines. And I suppose if you don't know what you are doing then yes, it does happen. Just don't use IE, run a spyware scanner on occasion and don't open email attachments. Problem solved.

Are you saying viruses and spyware don't run rampant on the Windows platform?

Are you saying everyone using Windows platform are computer savvy and 'knows what they are doing'?

Do most users know not to use Internet Explorer?

Most Windows users know 'not to open email attachments'?

etc. etc. etc.
post #97 of 198
I'll share my opion on this update by simply stating that my wifes new 15" PowerBook has finally been ordered today.
post #98 of 198
C'mon. They've had nearly two years to figure out how to put a G5 chip into the Powerbook. I'm not buying one of these latest G4 models. No thanks, I'll wait--like a lot of us.
post #99 of 198
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Originally posted by archer75
Mac users seem to think that viruses and spyware run rampant on windows machines. And I suppose if you don't know what you are doing then yes, it does happen.

Agreed. Windows is a non-option unless you are properly qualified, and willing to put the effort into keeping on top of security.

I don't want to have to "know what I'm doing" about anything other than what I want to DO with my computer It serves me, I don't serve it.
post #100 of 198
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Originally posted by 1984
Fiber Optic In/Out is only available on the 17" model. No 128MB graphics option on the 1.5 GHz model anymore. What good are price cuts if you are forced to pick from the more expensive options? Damn you Apple.


I am annoyed at the optical in/out on the 17" However, the graphics hasn't changed, last time the 15" super and 17" could have 128MB as build to order. Now the 17" is standard. My only complaint is apple's wording. They say all computers come with ... 8X Superdrive - a bit misleading don;t you think? Anyway I've ordered my PowerBook 15" 1.67 GHz 1 GB RAm and 128 MB GPU - now I have to wait, Apple say it should arrive Monday (although I'm away that week damn it)!!!!
post #101 of 198
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Originally posted by Existence
The advantage of Dothan-based sonoma PC latops over these "Power"Books.

Lets not use too much hyperbole.

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2MB L2 cache versus 512 KB L2 cache

For cache resident code, Pentium M systems will be faster by the clock rate difference and some additional 5 to 10% due to increased cache size.

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2.13 GHz versus 1.67 GHz with 1.4-2x better performance than the G4, per clock.

At best, the Pentium M performs about the same per clock as the G4. It (P-M) has 2 integer units and 1 FPU unit. The G4 has 4 integer units and 1 FPU unit. On the whole, the G4 should be a little better clock for clock than the Pentium-M per clock. Where the G4 loses is in not-as-mature compiler optimizations.

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90nm versus 130 nm technology.

True. But the G4 was up against 90 nm Dothan systems with 2 MB on-die cache and 400 FSB for about a year. The Sonoma improvements are incremental.

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Advanced realtime clock/voltage throlling versus very primitive step-down throlling on the G4 (it's so pathetic, people have to say "set CPU performance to max in the ES control panel" when doing benchmarks)

True. Apple could simply use more powerful batteries to increase usage times, but they are too cheap to do it.

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533 MHz system bus (effective) versus 167 MHz

This really translate to about a 5% improvement compared to the 400 MHz FSB Dothan systems. It won't be the performance ringer that the numbers suggests. Apple G4 systems need more FSB bandwidth certainly though.

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DDR2-5400 memory versus un-utilized DDR2700 memory

This hurts. Hurting for a long time now though.

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PCI Express graphics versus AGP graphics (Important for CoreImage/CoreVideo/DirectX9 shader applications, ie. using the GPU as a coprocessor)

Since Apple doesn't support GPU upgrades in their laptops, PCIe is fairly irrelevant. The current graphics chip selection won't stress the AGP architecture.

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Express card slots versus regular PCMCIA cardbus slots (slow!!!)

Slow for what? Unless your hooking a RAID or a graphics card into the cardbus slots, the PCMCIA cardbus slot will be fine for a while.

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I'm really amazed Apple even bothered updating the PowerBooks. They are beyond embarrassing.

At least they lowered the prices and updated the features at the same time.
post #102 of 198
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Originally posted by nagromme
I can't wait to try it out

PLEASE - DON'T DROP IT!!
post #103 of 198
Does anyone know which G4 CPU from Freescale Apple is using in this new PB revision. Checking out Freescales website the 7447A seems to max out at ~1.5Ghz. no mention of 1.67Ghz. Is there any chance this is the 7448?
post #104 of 198
THT commented on it but it was a question I had from the start....

why is Apple only using a 50-watt an hour battery? Why not use a 70+watt battery like OWC sells for Powerbooks? Retail both are similar in price. I'm sure the 50 is cheaper by a good bit but with the 70 I'm sure they could claim extraordinary battery life figures.
post #105 of 198
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Originally posted by 1984
Can I get all this in a 17" laptop that is 1" thick and weighs under 7 lbs? What about battery life?

Yes, very soon(this link uses the older generation motherboard, soon to be updated to a sonoma based mobo). With better battery life than the PowerBook.
post #106 of 198
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Originally posted by applenut
THT commented on it but it was a question I had from the start....

why is Apple only using a 50-watt an hour battery? Why not use a 70+watt battery like OWC sells for Powerbooks? Retail both are similar in price. I'm sure the 50 is cheaper by a good bit but with the 70 I'm sure they could claim extraordinary battery life figures.

Apple is more environmentally friendly than most computer companies - what are the implications on a laptop running 20W more power? I know in desktops low wattage is good.
post #107 of 198
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Originally posted by kento
Does anyone know which G4 CPU from Freescale Apple is using in this new PB revision. Checking out Freescales website the 7447A seems to max out at ~1.5Ghz. no mention of 1.67Ghz. Is there any chance this is the 7448?

Did you miss the link I posted previously? Anyway, it is a 7447B.
post #108 of 198
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Originally posted by THT

At best, the Pentium M performs about the same per clock as the G4. It (P-M) has 2 integer units and 1 FPU unit. The G4 has 4 integer units and 1 FPU unit. On the whole, the G4 should be a little better clock for clock than the Pentium-M per clock. Where the G4 loses is in not-as-mature compiler optimizations.

You have not been looking at benchmarks. Dothan's big cache and fast FSB does translate into 1.4-2x the performance of the G4 per clock. I'd agree with you if the G4 had the same size cache and a similar FSB. But they don't.

For example, a (133MHz FSB) 1.467GHz G4 7455 at Cinebench rendering gets about 130. A cheap 1.3 GHz Dothan-Celeron with 512KB cache on a 400 MHz FSB gets 170. Even at photoshop, the G4 fails to keep up clock-to-clock parity with 2MB cache Dothans.
post #109 of 198
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Originally posted by THT
Since Apple doesn't support GPU upgrades in their laptops, PCIe is fairly irrelevant. The current graphics chip selection won't stress the AGP architecture.

You forget perhaps Core Image/Video and Quartz 2D Extreme coming with Tiger in a matter of months. It is apparent that Apple will soon try to "discover" the GPU as a co-processor for graphics manipulation and push its capabilities as much as it takes. The presence of a PCIe interface will be very beneficial in this context. I don't think for this reason alone that Apple can afford to remain AGP only for more than one update from now in the professional lines.
post #110 of 198
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Originally posted by kento
Does anyone know which G4 CPU from Freescale Apple is using in this new PB revision. Checking out Freescales website the 7447A seems to max out at ~1.5Ghz. no mention of 1.67Ghz. Is there any chance this is the 7448?

No. If it did I'd be on it like hair on a gorilla.

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post #111 of 198
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
Apple is more environmentally friendly than most computer companies - what are the implications on a laptop running 20W more power? I know in desktops low wattage is good.

that is not true. apple has no sort of return program like Dell and others have for old computers/electronics.

Also, I'm not an electrical engineer but the Powerbook wouldn't be using 20W more power, the battery would have that much in excess per hour. Correct?
post #112 of 198
This pretty much bangs the nail in my dad's conversion...

For anyone concerned, we priced up a 17" Sunday night, and it came to £1800 on my edu price. The new 17" is £1700 with the same, but mostly better specs. I'll be getting him together with a 30" display too.

I bought a 12" in September, it's now £200 - 300 cheaper than then, again same or better specs. I am stupidly tempted by a 15" for some reason now, I know I'll never afford a 30" display as a student though...
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post #113 of 198
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Originally posted by applenut
that is not true. apple has no sort of return program like Dell and others have for old computers/electronics.

Also, I'm not an electrical engineer but the Powerbook wouldn't be using 20W more power, the battery would have that much in excess per hour. Correct?

Oh I was mistaken! The iMac was very low wattage though - the G4. Yeah and you're right about the battery - the battery would have 20W more, but are they less environmentally friendly to make - or is it not a factor!!
post #114 of 198
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
Oh I was mistaken! The iMac was very low wattage though - the G4. Yeah and you're right about the battery - the battery would have 20W more, but are they less environmentally friendly to make - or is it not a factor!!

well, i would think it would be more environmentally friendly since you would require less charges for more usage. batteries only last a certain amount of charge cycles. if it were 90 mins more per charge, over a 1000 charge cycles that adds up.
post #115 of 198
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Originally posted by scavanger
Any word on whether or not the screen's were updated? Thats the one major sticking point outside of the 167mhz bus, that is stopping me from buying a PB. I've compared the Rev C's with other laptops, and its horrible, IMO.

For me, this, by far, is one of the worst parts of Apple laptops. Look at laptops made by other companies when browsing your local computer store, and you'll find a whole host of PC laptops with screens that are better in contrast, brightness, sharpness, and color. Especially Sony's laptops, which have their what, XBRITE are they called, screens that just ridicule anything Apple has in the way of LCD screens. It amazes me that Apple is supposed to be one of the "high quality hardware" companies, and they have such terrible LCD screens.

Of course, I'm also bothered a bit that Apple things adding things like a lighted keyboard and the new trackpad to their laptops really makes up for the lack of power in a number of areas inside. Don't get me wrong, I love those features, but they shouldn't be what is used to convince me to get a PowerBook versus the actual guts of the machine.
post #116 of 198
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Originally posted by shidoshi
Of course, I'm also bothered a bit that Apple things adding things like a lighted keyboard and the new trackpad to their laptops really makes up for the lack of power in a number of areas inside. Don't get me wrong, I love those features, but they shouldn't be what is used to convince me to get a PowerBook versus the actual guts of the machine.

If the 1.67GHz 7447B is the best CPU they can put in the machine, what do you want them to do? It's not like they're holding back on you.

If the G5 doesn't work out anytime soon, Apple can move to the 7448, which eliminates the bus bottleneck and doubles the cache size. That should do nicely. But they can't ship it before Freescale produces it in quantity.
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post #117 of 198
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Originally posted by shidoshi
For me, this, by far, is one of the worst parts of Apple laptops. Look at laptops made by other companies when browsing your local computer store, and you'll find a whole host of PC laptops with screens that are better in contrast, brightness, sharpness, and color. Especially Sony's laptops, which have their what, XBRITE are they called, screens that just ridicule anything Apple has in the way of LCD screens. It amazes me that Apple is supposed to be one of the "high quality hardware" companies, and they have such terrible LCD screens.

Have you seen the glare and reflection in those new Sony displays? Sure they look bloody marvelous in the correct lighting, but I wouldn't want to use it in mixed lighting conditions. So far my PowerBook's display has been really good, although I have yet to test it in the summer.
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post #118 of 198
Simple put, there is no other processor available to put in the powerbook. I really can't believe how a lot of otherwise intellegent people are act like they are suprised by the speeds of the new processors. Guess what, we all knew that the other alternates were not ready. They did what they could, and quit frankly they took what could have been a crappy update and turned it into a good one. New features, better HD, slightly faster, all for less money. If I was in the market I would by one.
post #119 of 198
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Originally posted by timmy o'tool
Simple put, there is no other processor available to put in the powerbook. I really can't believe how a lot of otherwise intellegent people are act like they are suprised by the speeds of the new processors. Guess what, we all knew that the other alternates were not ready. They did what they could, and quit frankly they took what could have been a crappy update and turned it into a good one. New features, better HD, slightly faster, all for less money. If I was in the market I would by one.

Brilliantly put - I have ordered one - it's a brilliant computer a good light, powerful laptop that doesn't compromise too much.
post #120 of 198
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Originally posted by timmy o'tool
Simple put, there is no other processor available to put in the powerbook. I really can't believe how a lot of otherwise intellegent people are act like they are suprised by the speeds of the new processors. Guess what, we all knew that the other alternates were not ready. They did what they could, and quit frankly they took what could have been a crappy update and turned it into a good one. New features, better HD, slightly faster, all for less money. If I was in the market I would by one.

exactly. very tempting upgrade from my tibook 500...

Since the G5 powerbook is a year away (at least) anyway, this is an excellent update.
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