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Along with new iPod photo models, Apple yesterday announced the iPod Camera connector, an optional (US)$29 accessory that enables iPod users to connect their digital camera to an iPod to transfer photos. But the company only described the device and did not produce a photo. In an interview with CNet News.com, Apple vice president, Greg Joswiak, described the camera connector as "a small white plastic device, similar in appearance to a small docking station, that has a cable for connecting to the iPod and a USB port for connecting to a camera." It will work with both the new iPod photos and with earlier photo player models, said Joswiak, who also heads Apple's iPod product marketing. "Pictures loaded onto an iPod directly will be able to display immediately on the iPod. But for the photos to be shown on a TV, the iPod Photo will need to be connected to a Mac or PC first."
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I wonder why Kaspers automated ghost posted this in FH?
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I wonder why Kaspers automated ghost posted this in FH?

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maybe because it will not be available until late March... (?)
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maybe because it will not be available until late March... (?)

good one...
sad it doesn't work with previous, non"photo" iPods.
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But for the photos to be shown on a TV, the iPod Photo will need to be connected to a Mac or PC first.

Oh brother.
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good one...
sad it doesn't work with previous, non"photo" iPods.

Indeed. Just because I don't have a colour screen, it'd be nice to be able to store them on there. Hey ho.
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Oh brother.

" Joswiak, who also heads Apple's iPod product marketing. "Pictures loaded onto an iPod directly will be able to display immediately on the iPod. But for the photos to be shown on a TV, the iPod Photo will need to be connected to a Mac or PC first."

Can that be correct? I thought an existing iPod Photo feature was that you could carry your photos with you on the 'Pod and view them elsewhere on a TV. Perhaps that can't be done only with photos loaded onto the 'Pod in the field? Maybe they need some sort of "processing" performed by offloading to iPhoto and back again to the 'Pod, to be of a sort that can be viewed on a TV? And surely Joswiak doesn't mean the 'pod has to be connected "to a mac or pc" WHILE those pictures can be displayed on a TV, just "first", meaning "before" that can be done? Somebody clarify for me.

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sad it doesn't work with previous, non"photo" iPods.

It might still work with 3G iPods... check out this post from Gizmodo.
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... I thought an existing iPod Photo feature was that you could carry your photos with you on the 'Pod and view them elsewhere on a TV. Perhaps that can't be done only with photos loaded onto the 'Pod in the field? Maybe they need some sort of "processing" performed by offloading to iPhoto and back again to the 'Pod, to be of a sort that can be viewed on a TV? And surely Joswiak doesn't mean the 'pod has to be connected "to a mac or pc" WHILE those pictures can be displayed on a TV, just "first", meaning "before" that can be done? Somebody clarify for me.

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I guess this means that an iPod photo doesn't have that kind of processing power. Anyway, iTunes creates a copy of the original image into a TV quality version.
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I guess this means that an iPod photo doesn't have that kind of processing power. Anyway, iTunes creates a copy of the original image into a TV quality version.

good one. that sounds reasonable... a bit of a bummer though that you cant show it on a TV straight away, and only USB2.0 for digicam to iPod transfer? hmmm
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I was excited when I first heard about the iPod Camera Connector. It was even making me consider buying an iPod Photo. After reading the description I'm extremely disappointed.

Perfect! Run down the batteries of your iPod AND your camera while transferring photos! Why doesn't someone introduce a self powered FIreWire memory card reader that can transfer photos to an iPod or a Mac?
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Well, if the connection is USB2 and your digi-cam is also USB2, transferring, say 256MB of photos shouldn't take that long and hence sholdn't wear down batteries too much.
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I was excited when I first heard about the iPod Camera Connector. It was even making me consider buying an iPod Photo. After reading the description I'm extremely disappointed.

Perfect! Run down the batteries of your iPod AND your camera while transferring photos! Why doesn't someone introduce a self powered FIreWire memory card reader that can transfer photos to an iPod or a Mac?

Perfect! Then you can run down the batteries of your iPod, camera, and your Firewire memory card reader!
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Perfect! Then you can run down the batteries of your iPod, camera, and your Firewire memory card reader!


Actually, you'd REMOVE the memory card from the camera! Then, insert the card in the reader and the card reader's batteries or AC/DC power would power/charge the iPod while transferring files. Simple.

If you're transferring files from a 256MB, 512MB or 1GB card, it's slow via USB and the batteries WILL run down.

I use a Minds@Work battery & AC powered card reader/hard drive. It works, but is bulky. An iPod with a self-powered and more robust external solution would be perfect.
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Originally posted by jeffharris

Perfect! Run down the batteries of your iPod AND your camera while transferring photos! Why doesn't someone introduce a self powered FIreWire memory card reader that can transfer photos to an iPod or a Mac?

Doesn't the Belkin Media Read fit the bill? Actually, I don't think it will transfer to a computer, just the iPod. But, it is self powered and users FireWire. Of course, it is 3 times the price of Apple's coming solution.

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Doesn't the Belkin Media Read fit the bill? Actually, I don't think it will transfer to a computer, just the iPod. But, it is self powered and users FireWire. Of course, it is 3 times the price of Apple's coming solution.

The Belkin uses USB 1.1 NOT FireWire.
Transferring photos from cards larger than 64MB is a PAINFUL experience. Get up to 256MB and above and it's pure misery, as well as a battery gulping nightmare.
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Originally posted by jeffharris
The Belkin uses USB 1.1 NOT FireWire.
Transferring photos from cards larger than 64MB is a PAINFUL experience. Get up to 256MB and above and it's pure misery, as well as a battery gulping nightmare.

Belkin: Media Reader for iPod w/ Dock Connector
Advantages
\tSaves thousands of digital images on your iPod
\tTransfers digital photos via FireWire at 300KBps
\tComes with a 3-Year Warranty
\tIndicates power and data transfer status of Media Reader with LED indicator
\tStores cable away easily when not in use with onboard cable/connector storage
\tProtects the media slots from pocket dust and dirt at all times with sliding port features
\tSupports CompactFlash® (Type 1 and 2), SmartMedia, Secure Digital (SD), Memory Stick®, or MultiMediaCard (MMC)
\tWorks with iPod software version 2.1 or later, using on-screen user interface
\tIncludes 4 AAA batteries
\tMedia Reader Dimensions: 3.35" x 3.94" x 0.81" (85mm x 100mm X 20.5mm)
Media Reader for iPod w/ Dock Connector

You are correct if you were talking about their Camera connector though.

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Originally posted by jeffharris
Perfect! Run down the batteries of your iPod AND your camera while transferring photos! Why doesn't someone introduce a self powered FIreWire memory card reader that can transfer photos to an iPod or a Mac?

this kind of stuff cracks me up. when belkin came out with their reader, everyone was pissed cause it required batteries, and wondered why the power couldnt be provided by the ipod. now apple comes out with a small, nice, self-powered adapter and people are pissed cause their ipods b-life will be short. this is exactly what will happen if an ipod supports video too.
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this kind of stuff cracks me up. when belkin came out with their reader, everyone was pissed cause it required batteries, and wondered why the power couldnt be provided by the ipod. now apple comes out with a small, nice, self-powered adapter and people are pissed cause their ipods b-life will be short. this is exactly what will happen if an ipod supports video too.

I will be happy if it turns out that new Apple device can work with non-Photo iPods. I obviously don't mean so that i can view the photos on the iPod, just use it as on the road storage. The belkin camera-connection device is nice, but way to0 expensive. It sells for about $140 Canadian. The Belkin card-read sells for $100 Canadian. The Apple device should convert to about $40~45 Canadian, which makes it much more attractive.

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this kind of stuff cracks me up. when belkin came out with their reader, everyone was pissed cause it required batteries, and wondered why the power couldnt be provided by the ipod. now apple comes out with a small, nice, self-powered adapter and people are pissed cause their ipods b-life will be short. this is exactly what will happen if an ipod supports video too.


I really don't know much about the Apple device. Has anyone even seen a picture of it or read a real set of specs? I don't think so, but I'd like to.

The Belkin device is flawed. It uses USB 1.1, NOT FireWire AND it must be connected directly to a camera, so that while you're downloading photos, the camera needs to be on, draining the batteries.

If you've ever used a USB 1.1 card reader with a large memory card... 256MB or more... it takes a very long time to download the photos, even with high speed cards. The battery life of most rechargeable batteries is short. Why use a device that drains the batteries of TWO devices? It makes no sense.

Clearly, if you take photos or listen to an ipod where electrical power is readily available, then none of this is an issue. If you've ever been on trips where there is NO power for a few days or even a very long day of shooting,then draining batteries needlessly is a BIG issue.

The ideal would be some kind of compact, self-powered, device with a PC Card slot that lets you use numerous card formats. Ideally it would have a built-in iPod dock or multiple interfaces, FireWire AND USB 2. AND yes, if it couls recharge iPod batteries, that would be a bonus.
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Originally posted by jeffharris
I really don't know much about the Apple device. Has anyone even seen a picture of it or read a real set of specs? I don't think so, but I'd like to.

The Belkin device is flawed. It uses USB 1.1, NOT FireWire AND it must be connected directly to a camera, so that while you're downloading photos, the camera needs to be on, draining the batteries.

If you've ever used a USB 1.1 card reader with a large memory card... 256MB or more... it takes a very long time to download the photos, even with high speed cards. The battery life of most rechargeable batteries is short. Why use a device that drains the batteries of TWO devices? It makes no sense.

Clearly, if you take photos or listen to an ipod where electrical power is readily available, then none of this is an issue. If you've ever been on trips where there is NO power for a few days or even a very long day of shooting,then draining batteries needlessly is a BIG issue.

The ideal would be some kind of compact, self-powered, device with a PC Card slot that lets you use numerous card formats. Ideally it would have a built-in iPod dock or multiple interfaces, FireWire AND USB 2. AND yes, if it couls recharge iPod batteries, that would be a bonus.

Man, follow the links above and stop bitching. Belkin DOES MAKE a card-reader->iPod device, it IS self-powered, it DOES reads 5 media card types AND USES FIREWIRE...

Not sure how many times you need it shoved in your face. You keep bitching about it not existing, when it doesn in fact exist.

And as far as seeing Apple's device: goto Appleinsider.com, it's an Apple related rumor site. They have what may be a picture of the Apple device now.

Additional: Just to be repeatitive, since the point seems to keep being missed:

From Belkins site: Media Reader for iPod w/ Dock Connector
Transfers digital photos via FireWire at 300KBps
Supports CompactFlash® (Type 1 and 2), SmartMedia, Secure Digital (SD), Memory Stick®, or MultiMediaCard (MMC)

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Man, follow the links above and stop bitching. Belkin DOES MAKE a card-reader->iPod device, it IS self-powered, it DOES reads 5 media card types AND USES FIREWIRE...

From Belkins site: Media Reader for iPod w/ Dock Connector
Transfers digital photos via FireWire at 300KBps
Supports CompactFlash� (Type 1 and 2), SmartMedia�, Secure Digital (SD), Memory Stick�, or MultiMediaCard (MMC)

Okay. I stand corrected. I must have missed the release of this thing. There's just too much stuff out there to be able to keep track of all of it. maybe post a link first next time.

Thanks for the info!
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Belkin's media reader is FireWire, but it does not have FireWire speed. Only USB 1.1 speed--note 300KBps. And it has received nothing but crap user reviews since its release some time ago due to this inconsistency.

I have their Digital Camera Link. It works better, a bit faster.
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Belkin's media reader is FireWire, but it does not have FireWire speed. Only USB 1.1 speed--note 300KBps. And it has received nothing but crap user reviews since its release some time ago due to this inconsistency.

I have their Digital Camera Link. It works better, a bit faster.

That's too bad. The speed problem sounds familiar. I think I've pretty much written off Belkin products... I've bought a few with less than stellar results.

I guess I'll stick with my Minds@Work MindStor card reader hard drive unit. It's clunky, but works. I could swap out the 10GB hard drive for a bigger one, if I needed to. It's not bad... it uses a PC Card slot, runs on battery or AC/DC power, has FireWire and USB 1.1 ports. I've used it in Bulgaria, Germany, Turkey, Belize, Guatemala and the various spots in the Caribbean with no trouble.
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That's too bad. The speed problem sounds familiar. I think I've pretty much written off Belkin products... I've bought a few with less than stellar results.

I guess I'll stick with my Minds@Work MindStor card reader hard drive unit. It's clunky, but works. I could swap out the 10GB hard drive for a bigger one, if I needed to. It's not bad... it uses a PC Card slot, runs on battery or AC/DC power, has FireWire and USB 1.1 ports. I've used it in Bulgaria, Germany, Turkey, Belize, Guatemala and the various spots in the Caribbean with no trouble.

This is why I think I will look at Apple's device. If it is able to work with a non photo iPod, then the price is right. I am willing to trade off it using the iPod battery for size and price.

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post #29 of 30
To make this Belkin device interface clear once and for all:
It uses USB 1.1 to connect the Camera Link device to the camera AND FireWire to connect the device to the iPod. I planned to by this device. All reports suggest that it is VERY slow and eats batteries. The upload times reported are 2x - 4x SLOWER than over USB port on the keyboard (USB 1.1). I was prepared to swallow this (unusable on the field, good enough to upload overnight). Now I will wait for the Apple Camera Link.
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