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post #81 of 101
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Originally posted by Kickaha
You can resize the window all you want, including stretching it to full Desktop.

What you can't do is view it fullscreen where the menu bar and window frame go away.

Ah - I'd never used it on its own, just launched from a web page. When you launch it from a web browser, it is unresizable.
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post #82 of 101
This is very true, and not at all a feature of QuickTime or QuickTime Player, but the source code of the web page and how the browser handles it.

Frequently you can view the source for the page, search for '.mov', '.mpg' and such, find the direct URL, point your browser to that, and then save using your *browser's* save function. Then you can launch it in QT and resize.

Yeah, it's messy, but what people have been talking about is that QuickTime Player (not Pro) doesn't let you view a movie as 'fullscreen', ie, like a DVD on a TV. You can still resize them though.
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post #83 of 101
And on the subject of format viability, I have one piece of advice: look to the adult film industry and what they're using.

No, I'm serious. Porn is credited with the success of VHS over Betamax, and right now I *hear* that they're running towards MPEG-4 et al because they don't want to deal with MS or Real.

And that's only a win for Apple and QuickTime.
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post #84 of 101
it seems to me that Porn is still firmly stuck in MPEG1 for downloads and, yes, of course MPEG4 AVC/H.264 for either Bluray or HD-DVD. They both use MPEG4... so MPEG4 is win-win
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post #85 of 101
Apple is just being boneheaded here. They need to be doing it all better than Microsoft, and yet QT offers less functionality than WiMP out of the box.

The nagwar screen is just a slap in the face. If Apple is going to screw us over a barrell, they could at least have the courtesy to give us a reach-around.

I LOVE the smell of Quicktime Pro in the morning <sniff> - smells like...serialbox.
post #86 of 101
I know PC heads hate the nag screen, but c'mon, it is better than the advertizement videos in Real and MS players!
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post #87 of 101
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I know PC heads hate the nag screen, but c'mon, it is better than the advertizement videos in Real and MS players!

Which ones are those? The Windows Media media guide or whatever the hell it is drives me nuts, and so do RealPlayer "notifications". I don't really remember any videos though.

Here's a bit of wishful thinking: maybe we're seeing "Pro" in QT Player's menus (Ã* la Tiger screenshots) because Apple is dropping the pop-up; however, my guess is that I'm just forgetting a screenshot of the pop-up.
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post #88 of 101
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Which ones are those? The Windows Media media guide or whatever the hell it is drives me nuts, and so do RealPlayer "notifications". I don't really remember any videos though.

Sorry, I meant adverts AND video. The videos sometimes pop up from the websites themselves. Maybe they get kickbacks or discounts when the allow a 5 second advert on the player, just before the actual video happens. I've never seen that on a site streaming QT because I assume Apple doesn't do that or the unlimited lisense makes it unnecessary.
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post #89 of 101
I worked at the HelpDesk for a University that issues thousands of IBM ThinkPads to it's students. Whenever I end up talking with a customer about media players, they always say that they hate QuickTime because it will not play full screen and because it nags them for money.

Most of my friends feel the same way.

We are not pros. We do not need the video editing features that a pro user needs. We just want to watch a movie and enjoy it.

This is also going to be true of most new Mac Mini users and most of the Windows users who have QuickTime installed because they need iTunes for their iPods. Apple has a huge chance to build a huge user base for QuickTime player, and they do things that make people hate it.

It doesn't matter if great players A, B, and C exist. Windows users and clueless new Mac Mini users won't benefit. It doesn't matter if you can steal a key somewhere. Ignorance or morality issues will prevent most users from doing that. It doesn't matter if you can pay. Most users will not pay for full-screen playback when other players do that for free.

Instead, most users are going to just think video playback on a Mac sucks because QTP is crippled nagware while the mac version of WMP runs like shit.

Apple needs a good video player. If not QuickTime player, then they need something like iTunes where you can catalog your movie collection, create playlists, and view your movies however you want. Windows users have been doing this for years, and Apple better get on board quickly if they want to remain competitive.
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post #90 of 101
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Originally posted by rogue27
... or morality issues will prevent most users from doing that. ...Most users will not pay for full-screen playback when other players do that for free.

Morality did/will not stop me, I have good. well grownded morals, it is Apple who needs help here: I have a digital camera that takes short video in QT, as does my moms new digital camera, well, we wanted to watch one of these videos, thet WE made, and we OWN in full screen, but QT said we had to pay for QT 6 pro to use our own content, after we bought the hardware, and by extention the software as QT was included on the CD, so I said "Forget this, I am gonna get a key from the "undergroud"" I have yet to be sorry or feel any remorce whatsoever.

I am not a pro, If I wanted to crop/edit these videos, I may get QT pro, but geeze, that is not a real editing tool, outside of copy/paste and in/out points the editing "features " in QT pro are a friggen joke by todays standards, In 1997 I would have gladly paid for pro, but the tech industry and video in particular has come a long way since then...eccept for the QT division at Apple

And No, the nag screen doesnt bug me at all, just the stuff mentioned above.
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post #91 of 101
Reguarding QT7: I believe that Apple has a few things in the works for profit. Let's look at the balance sheet OSX cost $24+mill, and QT7 was a total, and then some, rewrite. I believe that Apple is trying to do what they can to get the earnings up under the stock price. This in my opinion is very good for Apple and the rest of us, because if earnings fail to meet expectations then Apple will be not in the lime light but in the shatter. Remember that Apple went from a $5 Billion to a $35 Billion company in less than 2 years. So earnings must go up, and now Apple will have 18 months to pay for Tiger instead of the usual 12 months. This will be a great year for the applications group to build applications using the tools of Tiger and to add functionality to the exsisting apps. More sales. It will be interesting where Apple can get QT7 into, I see a huge push here.
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post #92 of 101
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post #93 of 101
It seems like Apple doesn't care about Quicktime's market penetration. They only figure that they have Mac users to buy QT pro, and so they nag them. It's an interesting business strategy. Imagine buying a car that nags you whenever you turn on the radio, to upgrade to a better stereo!

I never think about it, since I pirated a code to shut QT's nagging and bitching down. But now I wonder, if Apple is dependent upon QT pro key sales for meeting their profit goals every quarter? If Apple are, then is that a sign of a well-run company? And why QT Pro? iTunes seems to do more complex tasks for the average user than does QT, so why doesn't Apple include a neutered iTunes with every Mac that nags to upgrade to iTunes pro? They could add things to the pro version like CD burning, CD extracting, AAC encoding, full-screen visualizer and EQ presets. My God, Apple would make MILLIONS on such a marketing scheme!

It just seems so arbitrary to choose Quicktime to be the cash-cow nagware application. Ok, there are the licensing fees for the codecs, but doesn't iTunes use codecs that require licensing fees? And iMovie? And QT doesn't nag for the user to buy the ability to use codecs, it nags for the ability to use full screen playback, to remove the nagging, and to use codecs. Codecs are only part of the QT pro experience, and for most users, the codecs are meaningless.
post #94 of 101
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Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg
It seems like Apple doesn't care about Quicktime's market penetration. They only figure that they have Mac users to buy QT pro, and so they nag them. It's an interesting business strategy. Imagine buying a car that nags you whenever you turn on the radio, to upgrade to a better stereo!

I think that they are trying to pay for the cost of QT7, not as much make money, I think that they would like to make some but the first goal is to break even.

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I never think about it, since I pirated a code to shut QT's nagging and bitching down. But now I wonder, if Apple is dependent upon QT pro key sales for meeting their profit goals every quarter? If Apple are, then is that a sign of a well-run company? And why QT Pro? iTunes seems to do more complex tasks for the average user than does QT, so why doesn't Apple include a neutered iTunes with every Mac that nags to upgrade to iTunes pro? They could add things to the pro version like CD burning, CD extracting, AAC encoding, full-screen visualizer and EQ presets. My God, Apple would make MILLIONS on such a marketing scheme!

I think that some money is directed to QT, from the sales of iPods and iLife, because they use QT.

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It just seems so arbitrary to choose Quicktime to be the cash-cow nagware application. Ok, there are the licensing fees for the codecs, but doesn't iTunes use codecs that require licensing fees? And iMovie? And QT doesn't nag for the user to buy the ability to use codecs, it nags for the ability to use full screen playback, to remove the nagging, and to use codecs. Codecs are only part of the QT pro experience, and for most users, the codecs are meaningless.

I don't think cash cow as in nagging, that is small potatos, charging DoCoMo to use QT is bigger potatos. I believe that they look at it like this. If the pie is big but we can have as many slices as we want then many thin slices will be easier to swallow. I think the big money comes from iPods and iTunes and licensing fees. But we all share the burden, in the future QT may be included in the OS, but I think that Tiger and QT7 were very expensive to write. So the little that Macintosh users chip in, helps keep the cost low to help keep the licensing fees low enough that QT7 will be able to spread. Real has a player for sale, but cost is keeping them out of the market. MS can afford to offer for "free", just another extension of the M., but even Windows users are beginning to realize that everything costs.
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post #95 of 101
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Ah - I'd never used it on its own, just launched from a web page. When you launch it from a web browser, it is unresizable.

Never used QT ?

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post #96 of 101
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Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg
<snip> why QT Pro? iTunes seems to do more complex tasks for the average user than does QT, so why doesn't Apple include a neutered iTunes with every Mac that nags to upgrade to iTunes pro? They could add things to the pro version like CD burning, CD extracting, AAC encoding, full-screen visualizer and EQ presets.

Forget iTunes - iMovie comes for free with a Mac, doesn't it have more 'pro' features than Quicktime?.

Hell, you can even import a Quicktime clip into iMovie and watch it full screen - though it takes a while to do the import!
post #97 of 101
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Originally posted by GregAlexander
Forget iTunes - iMovie comes for free with a Mac, doesn't it have more 'pro' features than Quicktime?.

Hell, you can even import a Quicktime clip into iMovie and watch it full screen - though it takes a while to do the import!

iLife is a product that is included and the cost is in the package of a new Mac. You will fiind that QT is being payed for, it is not for free. It would be hard to justify some folks paying and some not. My guess is everyone is paying. So let's say the iPod division cut a deal to license QT for iTunes and authoring. Say maybe like, $3 per copy, that is still, $21mil last year, and could be as much as $60mil this year. I wonder where all of that money went to?? I look for many great things to be built into QT7 and some of that not even turned on. Apple has had time and money, and that means great things for Mac and mostly QT7 users.
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post #98 of 101
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Originally posted by Brendon
My guess is everyone is paying. So let's say the iPod division cut a deal to license QT for iTunes and authoring. Say maybe like, $3 per copy, that is still, $21mil last year, and could be as much as $60mil this year. I wonder where all of that money went to??

I agree that this would be a good way to run their development.

For example, every time a Mac is sold, $60 would go towards MacOS X.

However, Apple continually talks about the huge markups they've got on their hardware, and yet makes a far smaller profit because of all the other costs for things like the software. Their accounting doesn't seem to give credit to the cost of Mac OS X development in their yearly reports - who knows how they represent it internally.

So I'm doubting the Quicktime team have anywhere near the $21million that may make sense (or may not). I wish they looked at things that way.
post #99 of 101
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Originally posted by GregAlexander
I agree that this would be a good way to run their development.

For example, every time a Mac is sold, $60 would go towards MacOS X.

However, Apple continually talks about the huge markups they've got on their hardware, and yet makes a far smaller profit because of all the other costs for things like the software. Their accounting doesn't seem to give credit to the cost of Mac OS X development in their yearly reports - who knows how they represent it internally.

So I'm doubting the Quicktime team have anywhere near the $21million that may make sense (or may not). I wish they looked at things that way.

Having worked in a fortune 500 company for the last 15+ years I can tell that they all look at everything as cost, ROI, etc., internally. In fact as we ship equipment back and forth between plant sites we strip the end connections since they will raplace a that with what they use and keep our stuff. As we work on many different products in R&D they time spent down to the hour is recorded for that project for accounting. We need to know how much time and money was spent on our new drugs, so that we can price them correctly, or expence them correctly.

My guess is that Apple is no different, they account for every user, every license, every expence, everything. They will never talk about these numbers because that is of strategic value to the competition. Suffice to say, Apple knows and accounts for everything, Jobs is very tight on this. That is why Apple can do what they do, they know the costs, and they know the expences, they have a rudder.
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post #100 of 101
So what's the QT Pro cost these days? $50?

Do 1 in 50 OS X users upgrade to QT Pro, or less?

If so, then Apple could charge $130 for Tiger instead of $129, and break even. Personally, I'd pay as much as ten or fifteen bucks more for an OS X without nagware. I hate pirating Apple software but there's no way I'm buying QT Pro when I don't use it for video content creation.

I guess I'm just the kind of guy who responds better when I'm not being nagged. My girlfriend figured this out and if she wants me to do something she NEVER nags me, and then it gets done! Although she'd probably give a different version than I...
post #101 of 101
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Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg
So what's the QT Pro cost these days? $50?

Do 1 in 50 OS X users upgrade to QT Pro, or less?

If so, then Apple could charge $130 for Tiger instead of $129, and break even. Personally, I'd pay as much as ten or fifteen bucks more for an OS X without nagware. I hate pirating Apple software but there's no way I'm buying QT Pro when I don't use it for video content creation.

I guess I'm just the kind of guy who responds better when I'm not being nagged. My girlfriend figured this out and if she wants me to do something she NEVER nags me, and then it gets done! Although she'd probably give a different version than I...

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