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post #1 of 72
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In Edmonton Alberta the Compusmart store has expanded their Mac line
while the PC space allotted is much the same. I am told by the salesman
who uses and specializes in Macs that the mini is sold out every time a shipment comes in. His ESTIMATE is that 40 percent of mini's are going to current PC users.
It is difficult to match professional analysts' channel checks' by oneself but a forum such as this could do a pretty good job if enough members respond. Have you any anecdotal evidence of mini sales? And are they switchers, add on er's or Current Mac users?
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post #2 of 72
When I bought mine, the sales guy said they were going as fast as they were coming in. He also said that quite a few of them were first time mac buyers. If the rumors are true, Best Buy and Circuit City might start selling these, which says a lot about the demand.

As for why people are getting them, I think it's to test the waters. Long time PC users aren't sure if a mac will do the job for them, but some have always wanted to give one a try. Just my opinion.
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In the Chicago (NoMi) store I overheard a trader-type talking to his wife on his mobile "asking" her if she thought it would be o.k. if he bought it, he explained the monitor and keyboard from their P/C could be used yadda yadda.......the funny thing was he was sitting at the genius bar having it configured.
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mini's are HARD to keep in stock. If Apple can get the production up and keep the mini somewhat current with market trends they'll have a nice boost. Marketshare might not mean everything but to potential developers having a boatload of minis out there gives them more opportunities. Kudos Apple for pulling your head out.
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post #5 of 72
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Originally posted by hmurchison
mini's are HARD to keep in stock. If Apple can get the production up and keep the mini somewhat current with market trends they'll have a nice boost. Marketshare might not mean everything but to potential developers having a boatload of minis out there gives them more opportunities. Kudos Apple for pulling your head out.

yes, the mini is an excellent product. and it really hasn't been marketed at all. I really hope Apple has plans to attack at this part of the market. They have a decent first entry. Now they need to expand, market and improve upon.

As good as the mini is, I have a hard time recommending it because of the RAM issue.
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i know one person with it. got it for OS X.
Many others have looked into macs because of him, looking for better models-powerbooks, imacs hopefully ill get my hands on one sometime soon
post #7 of 72
You mean the RAM that you can upgrade easily???

You can't be serious that you'd not recommend a mini because of *that*.

"I'm sorry, I can't recommend an Accord, you have to buy floor mats."
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post #8 of 72
he may be referring to it only supports one gig and has only one slot. two slots would be nicer and supporting two gigs and it would run a lot better
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It's a low-end consumer machine, and you think that 1GB isn't enough, and that 2GB will make it run 'a lot better'?

I don't suppose you have any hard evidence to back this up...
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Originally posted by snipe
In Edmonton Alberta the Compusmart store has expanded their Mac line
while the PC space allotted is much the same. I am told by the salesman
who uses and specializes in Macs that the mini is sold out every time a shipment comes in. His ESTIMATE is that 40 percent of mini's are going to current PC users.
It is difficult to match professional analysts' channel checks' by oneself but a forum such as this could do a pretty good job if enough members respond. Have you any anecdotal evidence of mini sales? And are they switchers, add on er's or Current Mac users?

The Amazon view is not so rosy - The two models of mini were number #1 and #4 in the computer sales list a few weeks ago, now they are #12 and #23.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...188934-2036852

But the iBooks and powerbooks seem to be doing quite well.
Maybe the low ranking is just because they can't make enough of the units. Both are listed as "In stock soon. Order now to get in line. First come, first served."
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post #11 of 72
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Originally posted by Kickaha
You mean the RAM that you can upgrade easily???

You can't be serious that you'd not recommend a mini because of *that*.

"I'm sorry, I can't recommend an Accord, you have to buy floor mats."

yes, that whole part about shipping with 256MB standard in a single slot. The machine being highly recommended to be brought in to be updated and no word on whether its officlally allowed to upgrade yourself. the fact that an upgrade is neccessary straight out of the box. and don't tell me its not. even apple knows it. here's some advice, go see how much ram any apple demo model has in their own stores. or how about the fact you have to waste 256MB RAM you just paid for in order to upgrade it to something useful. Yes, OS X is usable with 256MB. But barely. I'd call it a very miserable experience. Having just safari and iChat open will quickly use up more than the available memory.
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Originally posted by applenut
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yes, that whole part about shipping with 256MB standard in a single slot. The machine being highly recommended to be brought in to be updated and no word on whether its officlally allowed to upgrade yourself. the fact that an upgrade is neccessary straight out of the box. and don't tell me its not. even apple knows it. here's some advice, go see how much ram any apple demo model has in their own stores. or how about the fact you have to waste 256MB RAM you just paid for in order to upgrade it to something useful. Yes, OS X is usable with 256MB. But barely. I'd call it a very miserable experience. Having just safari and iChat open will quickly use up more than the available memory.

Stop trying to be a prick. There are some points to argue and there are others that just make you look like an apologist asshole.

Make a silly comment, I'll call you on it. *shrug* If you want to continue this, PM me. Further public annoyances like this will be deleted.
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post #13 of 72
Ready to stop with the attacks that are prepping you for a vacation then, are you?

The Mac mini can in fact be upgraded by the user. Officially. Officially, also, if you break anything while doing so, you're SOL. Warrantee remains in place if you upgrade it successfully, but if you bust it, you're on your own. That's the OFFICIAL position, and has been fairly publicly known, and more to the point, available to anyone who called a Genius Bar or looked around the web a bit.

The Mac mini is, in your own words, 'an excellent product'. The amount of RAM is a) a small part of the entire product, b) a user-expandable option, c) easily upgraded, d) cheaply.

Therefore, in my estimation, saying that you're unwilling to recommend 'an excellent product' because of one detail that is easily remedied for little cost is, indeed, silly. I stand by that opinion. If you have a problem with that, explain why it's not silly.

Now, you've been allowed a full on rant post where you attacked a mod. I won't even bother deleting it, because frankly, it's a good example of how to get yourself in trouble going against the posting guidelines. You are toeing the line. One more post like that, and you're on vacation, no further warnings, no further commentary. Got it? Stick to content.
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post #14 of 72
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Originally posted by Kickaha
Ready to stop with the attacks that are prepping you for a vacation then, are you?

The Mac mini can in fact be upgraded by the user. Officially. Officially, also, if you break anything while doing so, you're SOL. Warrantee remains in place if you upgrade it successfully, but if you bust it, you're on your own. That's the OFFICIAL position, and has been fairly publicly known, and more to the point, available to anyone who called a Genius Bar or looked around the web a bit.

The Mac mini is, in your own words, 'an excellent product'. The amount of RAM is a) a small part of the entire product, b) a user-expandable option, c) easily upgraded, d) cheaply.

Therefore, in my estimation, saying that you're unwilling to recommend 'an excellent product' because of one detail that is easily remedied for little cost is, indeed, silly. I stand by that opinion. If you have a problem with that, explain why it's not silly.

Now, you've been allowed a full on rant post where you attacked a mod. I won't even bother deleting it, because frankly, it's a good example of how to get yourself in trouble going against the posting guidelines. You are toeing the line. One more post like that, and you're on vacation, no further
warnings, no further commentary. Got it? Stick to content.


1. Find official word, on Apple's website and in the package of the mac mini that it is user upgradable for me.
2. Dispute the fact that 256MB is not usable
3. Dispute the fact that Apple demos all machines in their stores with a minimum of 512MB RAM if not 1GB.
4. Dispute the fact that prying open a case is not "an easy" and straightforward process. Especially when there is no documentation provided with the product about doing so. Dispute the fact that there are no instructions provided on opening the case and upgrading the ram. Actually, why don't you tell me what it says about upgrading the ram in the box since its so easy and straightfoward.
5. Dispute the fact that the 256MB RAM you just paid for is wasted when you are forced to upgrade for acceptable performance
6. Dispute the fact that it reflects very poorly on Apple if a user does not upgrade and experience lackluster performance and slowdowns. You have said countless times yourself when arguing against expandable macs that most users never open their case and never upgrade. Therefore the initial experience in most cases is the final experience and the dealbreaker.
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the above mod---
maxing out the ram isnt exactly cheap am i wrong?
post #16 of 72
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maxing out the ram isnt exactly cheap am i wrong?

Depends - if you buy it from Apple, it's pricey, but it's always been that way. If you buy it 3rd party, you can get the 1GB for as low as 1/3 of their insane $325, but quality RAM, such as from Crucial, runs $217. (Their 512 stick is $71, plus you still have to install it, so the 512 from Apple at $75 is actually a pretty good deal for most folks.)

Apple has yet to validate the Mac mini for 2GB sticks, so 1GB is the official max.
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Originally posted by applenut
btw, it's really cute how you keep referring to a ban as a "vacation". man, you need to really get a life if that's how lame you have become.

Vacation, ban, whatever you want to call it, you've got it.
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post #18 of 72
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Originally posted by Kickaha
Depends - if you buy it from Apple, it's pricey, but it's always been that way. If you buy it 3rd party, you can get the 1GB for as low as 1/3 of their insane $325, but quality RAM, such as from Crucial, runs $217. (Their 512 stick is $71, plus you still have to install it, so the 512 from Apple at $75 is actually a pretty good deal for most folks.)

Apple has yet to validate the Mac mini for 2GB sticks, so 1GB is the official max.

do you see this happening? what really needs to be done to get 2gb in there?
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it wont change the fact that you look like a pathetic fool here [/B]

Looking back on the post history, I think that you jumped off that cliff first, my dear applenut.

Can we get back to talking about how the mini is going to take over the world?
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post #20 of 72
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do you see this happening? what really needs to be done to get 2gb in there?

It'll happen eventually, I know that they're doing the testing now. Basically, it just boils down to making sure that the mini's mobo will handle the various manufacturer's products. As you increase the density of memory chips, you also increase the possibility of errors. Some mobo designs handle these better than others. As the RAM manufacturers improve their processes, it becomes less of an issue for lower-end products like the mini, so it'll just be a matter of time.
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post #21 of 72
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The Amazon view is not so rosy - The two models of mini were number #1 and #4 in the computer sales list a few weeks ago, now they are #12 and #23.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...8188934-2036852

I suspect that the first orders were from Mac users
but I see two reasons for dropping.
1- no indication of delivery.
2- mini should be seen by potential customers who
have PC's The picture does not really do it justice and the idea
of being able to use PC monitor, mouse and keyboard is
not indicated.
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Yesterday I ordered a 1.42 Mac mini from a department store (because they had 4 years interest free). The sales guy was switched on about Apple (which was kind of a surprise) and asked me if I realised that the keyboard, mouse and display are not included, to which I answered "DUUURRRRRRR" (just kidding ) but he said a lot of customers didn't realise this fact and were surprised and a little disappointed, especially when they didn't already have a kb, mouse or display. The price of the Apple displays doesn't help subdue their surprise either, but the sales guy is clever enough to point them to other displays or other Apple computers.

The only problem for me is the 3 to 4 week wait because I wanted the Superdrive and Airport Express - I will upgrade the memory myself thank you very much Mr Greedy Apple ($520 Australian for 1gb is ridiculous when I can buy it on ebay for $150 and I've done some DIY on my house so I'm pretty good with a putty knife PLUS a friend is buying an iBook and she's already offered to buy the 256Mb when I remove it).

I don't know why Apple don't have a heap of stock with Superdrive and AP already installed, especially in the 1.42. These are pretty common upgrades.
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post #24 of 72
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Originally posted by Kickaha
It'll happen eventually, I know that they're doing the testing now. Basically, it just boils down to making sure that the mini's mobo will handle the various manufacturer's products. As you increase the density of memory chips, you also increase the possibility of errors. Some mobo designs handle these better than others. As the RAM manufacturers improve their processes, it becomes less of an issue for lower-end products like the mini, so it'll just be a matter of time.

Why would anyone need 2Gb of RAM in a mini? I run graphics, video and music apps on my G4 with 1Gb of RAM and it's perfectly OK. Increasing to 2Gb of memory will simply increase your costs dramatically and I doubt the performance boost will justify the outlay. If anyone's worried 1Gb of memory will not be enough for their needs, they really should be looking at a G5..
post #25 of 72
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Originally posted by Bart Smastard
PLUS a friend is buying an iBook and she's already offered to buy the 256Mb when I remove it).

I don't think they're compatible.
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post #26 of 72
BTW, the plural of "anecdote" is not "data."

For all you know, people who would be buying iMacs and laptops are buying minis, and therefore Apple is losing revenue (maybe not profit though, as I don't know the margins).

It'd probably be a good idea to wait until the quarterly report, and make sure that they go through the sales of ALL their computers.
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post #27 of 72
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Why would anyone need 2Gb of RAM in a mini? I run graphics, video and music apps on my G4 with 1Gb of RAM and it's perfectly OK.

No one knows how Tiger is going to act. The 1GB ceiling and significant difficulty required to upgrade (not everyone has a putty knife much less the desire to take one to their little box) is a huge black eye on the mini IMO.

1GB is fine, but as a cieling I am not happy. Neither am I happy with the exorbitant sum Apple charges to bring it to that level.
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post #28 of 72
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Originally posted by groverat
No one knows how Tiger is going to act. The 1GB ceiling and significant difficulty required to upgrade (not everyone has a putty knife much less the desire to take one to their little box) is a huge black eye on the mini IMO.

1GB is fine, but as a cieling I am not happy. Neither am I happy with the exorbitant sum Apple charges to bring it to that level.

When I bought my G5 from the local retailer, the guy said they'd install my new, 3rd party RAM for me if I bought the computer through them.

I'm not going to buy a macmini, but I'm POSITIVE its tiger performance will be just barely adequate, and core image will be a joke. That's the nature of low cost computers, though--a half year later they're totally obsolete.
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post #29 of 72
Okay, I've gotta ask... on what basis of fact are you making that assertion? I mean, if you're running Tiger on a mini, that's one thing, (and we'd love to hear about it ) but...
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Originally posted by Kickaha
Okay, I've gotta ask... on what basis of fact are you making that assertion? I mean, if you're running Tiger on a mini, that's one thing, (and we'd love to hear about it ) but...

You need at least a 9600 for core image acceleration, and many filters wont work.
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post #31 of 72
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Originally posted by applenut
looking at your location and support I'd probably say you're his bend-over buddy. as a result I take anything you say with a grain of salt.

Well, how about that, I didn't notice that we lived in the same town. I don't know any local Inuit, though, so I have not met him.
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post #32 of 72
Well, I know that the mini I bought created a switcher. Not me, but my sister, who gets my eMac.


The Mini buying experience was terrific, just called local apple store and asked if they had any in stock. They said that they get about 25 every two weeks, but they sell out whenever they come in, but would I like to be on the waiting list? Sure I did, so a week later I get a call saying that I had 24 hours to pick up my mini. I got over there in 2!

I got the 1.25 model. Upgraded the ram via putty knife to 512 (not as easy to open as looks on the intarweb!), and was ready to go.

I got the Mini set up next to my eMac (2004 model.) This was a battle of identical beasts. They both had 512 Ram (the eMac was 2X256), Radeon 9200s, 1.25 Ghz chips and 40 GB HD. The Mini drive was a clone of the eMac drive via carbon copy cloner. I set the resolution on both to 1024X768. The only difference was the laptop drive vs desktop drive.

I ran Xbench. The scores were identical within 5% except on the Disk benchmarks where the desktop drive in the eMac was twice as fast. This is a real machine, not an underpowered toy. My eMac is a great video editor/ content creation machine, and it looks like everything is going to run just as well on my new little guy.

I believe that this is a great little machine, super usable at 512 MB ram (whereas it chokes around with 256 out of the box.) It is going to replace my eMac with no looking back, and I will be getting rid of the loud roaring sound coming from my computer desk 24/7. My sister, will be getting that machine at a very steep discount and will thus be able to upgrade her family finally to a Mac.

I am super happy.

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post #33 of 72
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Originally posted by Bart Smastard
PLUS a friend is buying an iBook and she's already offered to buy the 256Mb when I remove it

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Originally posted by slughead
I don't think they're compatible.

Oh dear. I thought I read somewhere that they are.

You're probably right Slughead:
- iBook PC2100 (266MHz) DDR SDRAM
- Mac mini PC2700 (333MHz) DDR SRAM*

Can someone please confirm?

* Is "SRAM" a typo? Shouldn't it be SDRAM? I copied from the Tech Specs on the Apple site.

Thanks
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post #34 of 72
For what it's worth, when I bought my mini, the sales guy actually recommended that I upgrade the RAM myself. He had the mini on display, and he even showed me the video of how to crack the case open. The video, ironically, was on the mini's Hard drive. He even told me that Apple will still honor the warranty. While that's not in writing, it was a confirmation from someone who actually sells them. Besides, I don't see what the big deal is. If you need to send Apple your mini, just put the original RAM back in before you do it. It's not like installing your own RAM is going to kill it. Unless of course you are so inept that you physically damage it while prying.

BTW, the mini that was demoed at MicroCenter (where I bought my mini) had only 256mb of RAM, and seemed to run okay, and it had about every dock app open.

Bart Smastard,
Yes, it should say SDRAM. However, they are still incompatible. While both notebooks and desktops use DDR SDRAM, they both don't use the same kind of memory module. Desktops (and minis) use "DIMM"s, while notebooks use "SODIMM"s. The differences are simple, SODIMMs are more compact and have a different pin count than DIMMs. Even though both SODIMMs and DIMMs use the same TYPE of memory, they are in fact, NOT interchangeable. I hope that makes sense.
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Please start a new thread where the "senior" members and moderators can slog it out. The bitching is getting very boring
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Anecdotal evidence the first:

Bought an iBook in September. My first real Mac. Base model, added airport. That's 256mb Ram to y'all. Wrote my first published work on it (in stores March 10th - PM me for details!) No issues, browsed (wirelessly, did email, wrote text all with no thought of slowdown - it seemed fine). Had to do a wedding video in October. The unit was responsive but seemed a bit sluggish. However, up until this point OS X felt SNAPPY with 256mb ram.

Added 256mb more ram for Chistmas. It's a veritable speed demon now.

Bought my mini, waited three weeks, got it last week. It's decked out - airport, bluetooth, 512mb, 80 gig drive on the 1.4 model. This thing flies. I've taken it everywhere so far - it's been a great portable presenter for me.

My next machine will be an iMac 20". I'm hooked. Everyone that sees this little baby is interested. I've already had a few friends order - my .Mac account is gonna be damn close to free next year.

Is she taking the world by storm? In my experience, you betcha.
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post #38 of 72
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Originally posted by e1618978
The Amazon view is not so rosy - The two models of mini were number #1 and #4 in the computer sales list a few weeks ago, now they are #12 and #23.

Well, it's at 12 and 17 now - but that's not so bad - the only things ahead of it are laptops. It's still the #1 desktop on the list.
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Originally posted by Wingnut
Bart Smastard,
Yes, it should say SDRAM. However, they are still incompatible. While both notebooks and desktops use DDR SDRAM, they both don't use the same kind of memory module. Desktops (and minis) use "DIMM"s, while notebooks use "SODIMM"s. The differences are simple, SODIMMs are more compact and have a different pin count than DIMMs. Even though both SODIMMs and DIMMs use the same TYPE of memory, they are in fact, NOT interchangeable. I hope that makes sense.

Thanks Wingnut, I knew I could rely on a "junior" member to come up with a sensible answer
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heh, don't let the lable fool ya. I've built at least half-a-dozen PCs, owned and disassembled 3 laptops, and have been an active forum member at hardwarecentral.com since 2001. I may be relatively new to Macs, but I have dealt with a fair share of computers in my day. Maybe eventually more people will actually listen to me once I'm not a Junior member, but everyone has to pay their dues, I suppose.
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