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Apple plans to introduce updated iMac G5 and eMac systems alongside the release of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger next month, according to a report published by Think Secret.

In addition to its report on iMacs and eMacs, the online publication also published a report claiming that Apple will officially roll-out Mac OS X Tiger in a matter of weeks.

"The iMac G5, code-named Q45 C/D, is expected to receive a speed bump to 2GHz," the report claims. "An 8x DVD±RW SuperDrive can also be expected on the Better and Best models." This report is inline with previous mumblings pertaining to a 2GHz iMac G5.

In the same report, ThinkSecret also lends credence to rumors that Apple has held an eMac update in limbo, and is now ready to send it to manufacturing.

"The biggest news with the eMac may simply be that the model's existence," wrote Senior Editor Ryan Katz. "The updated eMac, code named Q87J, will feature a faster processor -- likely 1.33GHz and possibly 1.5GHz at the high-end -- and possibly a faster video card to take advantage of Tiger's new Core Image technology, sources said."

The report did not mention whether the updated eMac would sport a G4 or G5 processor, but all bets are on the former.

Meanwhile, ThinkSecret cited well-placed sources in saying Apple will officially announce Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger's release at an event in early April and will begin shipping the operating system within two or three weeks afterwards.

"The event, sources say, is currently scheduled for Friday, April 1 and will be delivered via satellite to numerous locations around the world."

Tiger, the report claims, should be available in retail stores by April 15.
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[I posted this in Current Hardware too]

Finally it may be as I feared. Think Secret says now that the iMac will get an update next month to 2 GHz, but other specifications will remain largely unchanged. So, I would not be surprised to see again the same 5200 Ultra, with an option for 128 MB VRAM this time.
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I find this report all wrong, first LCD panels are dropping fast in price, 2nd the gpu in imac and powermac FX5200 is cheapo and sucks for lack of a better term and needs updating and 3rd why bother with Emac at all with MiniMac out and LCDs getting cheap. The only thing i give credence to is the 2.0 G5 and faster optical drive. If this report is true then we waited a year for apple to do almost nothing with both imac and emac. I expect better from the cadillac of computing not this.
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Originally posted by Aurora
If this report is true then we waited a year for apple to do almost nothing with both imac and emac. I expect better from the cadillac of computing not this.

When Think Secret first talked about the new iMac G5 last year, they predicted that the GPU would remain unchanged (5200 Ultra). No one could believe this at the time. However it did happen. I am afrain it will happen again.
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What's really funny is ThinkSecret is still giving away secrets.

I guess its pretty harmless.

So long as its no secrets that would give Apple's rivals any advantage.
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3rd why bother with Emac at all with MiniMac out and LCDs getting cheap. [/B]

The eMac was designed to be a machine for the Education market. If I remember correctly, it wasn't even available to other markets when it was originally released and was only opened to other markets when people outside of the Education market indicated they wanted to buy it.

IMO, the Mac mini would not be a good fit for the Education market.
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Well lets cross our fingers and hope Tiger is ready.

XP 64 bit is coming.
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Originally posted by TenoBell
Well lets cross our fingers and hope Tiger is ready.

XP 64 bit is coming.

Not anytime soon. They have been focusing all of their efforts into Longhorn, than anything else.

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Well lets cross our fingers and hope Tiger is ready.

XP 64 bit is coming.

Another reason for Apple to release in April, they need to beat Microsoft to it for marketing purposes!
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post #10 of 84
Apple wants to release 10.4 early enough this year so that when they release 10.5 just before Longhorn the reslease cycle won't be too short.
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post #11 of 84
From whats going through the grape vine. Longhorn is taking too long and MS is moving many of its functions to XP 64 which is to ship this summer.

10.5? Apple last announced they would slow down their update cycle after 10.4.
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Tiger, the report claims, should be available in retail stores by April 15.

That rocks!!

If that IS true, I bet Stevey IS strokeing out!

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Originally posted by TenoBell
From whats going through the grape vine. Longhorn is taking too long and MS is moving many of its functions to XP 64 which is to ship this summer.

10.5? Apple last announced they would slow down their update cycle after 10.4.

Actually they said that about 10.3 -- that's why Tiger is (if the April rumor is true) 18 months after Panther, compared to 14 months between Jaguar and Panther and less between earlier releases. No doubt they'll talk about 10.5 plans at WWDC if Tiger arrives in April.
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anyone know whether the new iMac will feature a fixed hard-disk bottleneck issue (xbench on the iMac g5 shows some pitiful bloody hard disk results, despite it being a SATA-7200rpm drive in there )

hmmm no video card upgrade is a bit sad

but remember, apple is focused on profits very much now and will continue to do so... while it can still have iMac g5s fly off the shelves without having to change the video card, unfortunately, it will do so...
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I am very happy I logged onto the Apple rumors sites this evening. Tiger on April 15! That would be fantastic! I can't wait. Tiger, Tiger, Tiger!

I'm happy to hear they may have an event to talk about it on April 1. That way they can setup the preorders on Apple.com, which will ensure we can receive it on or before the release date, which is what they did for iLife 05 and iWork.
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anyone know whether the new iMac will feature a fixed hard-disk bottleneck issue (xbench on the iMac g5 shows some pitiful bloody hard disk results, despite it being a SATA-7200rpm drive in there )

hmmm no video card upgrade is a bit sad

but remember, apple is focused on profits very much now and will continue to do so... while it can still have iMac g5s fly off the shelves without having to change the video card, unfortunately, it will do so...

Think Secret didn't say there wouldn't be a Video card update, they just probably don't have any information on it. I would expect Apple to upgrade the card, it's getting severely outdated.

Hopefully, it'll be at least an nVIDIA GeForce 6200 w/ 128 MB VRam (NOT the turbo cache model)
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post #17 of 84
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Originally posted by macnut222
Think Secret didn't say there wouldn't be a Video card update, they just probably don't have any information on it. I would expect Apple to upgrade the card, it's getting severely outdated.

Hopefully, it'll be at least an nVIDIA GeForce 6200 w/ 128 MB VRam (NOT the turbo cache model)

sweet. i'm hoping too...
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Originally posted by ibook911
I am very happy I logged onto the Apple rumors sites this evening. Tiger on April 15! That would be fantastic! I can't wait. Tiger, Tiger, Tiger!


Full Ack here!
We need a Stevenote about this, as well as Live Quicktime Streaming (D´oh!)

People shouldn´t complain about the eMacs presence - the Mac mini´s and the eMac´s target audience might be overlapping a bit, but I was about to buy a used 700Mhz eMac for my mom (absolutely computer illiterate) - I´m glad I didn´t :3

Hmm.. new iMac... I really hope they change the graphics card.
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April 1st event?.........April fool anyone?
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April 1st event?.........April fool anyone?

I was just thinking that! It seems a bit weird to me. I've always said April though so let's hope it's true!
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April 1st event?.........April fool anyone?

Hmm.. I imagine Steve pulling off a Stevenote in front of a huge crowd tellig them Tiger will start shipping "today", and going on and on about what a wonderful System it is. After 40 minutes, he will tell everyone that this was a joke.

You think Steve would survive the wrath of the crowd?
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Actually they said that about 10.3 -- that's why Tiger is (if the April rumor is true) 18 months after Panther, compared to 14 months between Jaguar and Panther and less between earlier releases. No doubt they'll talk about 10.5 plans at WWDC if Tiger arrives in April.

It is very likely Apple will release Tiger in April. However, they will NOT talk about 10.5 at WWDC and there are several reasons for that. The most important 2:

1. They show every new version when the feature set is more or less fixed and they can give a build to developers to start developing/testing their software (if they were not dependent on third party software they could prefer to announce it when it is ready to ship).

2. There are so many new technologies in Tiger that they will have enough stuff to talk about. 10.4 is the most significant step both in terms of "under the hood" changes and user features. Developers will need some time to get use of the new stuff.

What I expect is a massive advertising campaign along Tiger (and possibly new hardware but this is less important for the average Joe - what's the point to advertise computer which does not run all the software [note 1: this is Joe's understanding of the facts] he owns and knows and is more expensive [see note 1]). We have never seen ads targeting OS X but I will not be surprised to the change triggered by Tiger release.
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Now here's an interesting question: what will Apple have to talk about at the WWDC keynote? Even if Tiger isn't released by June (and it probably will be), there really wouldn't be any reason to rehash the features for the 4th time in a row.

I really hope they don't hold off on PowerMacs just so that they have some material for a keynote.
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Now here's an interesting question: what will Apple have to talk about at the WWDC keynote? Even if Tiger isn't released by June (and it probably will be), there really wouldn't be any reason to rehash the features for the 4th time in a row.

I really hope they don't hold off on PowerMacs just so that they have some material for a keynote.

they'll talk about how many users have bought the software in the first two months and they'll go into more detail about the OS. Remember the yearly updates are gone. Tiger will be here for at least a year and a half. They'll take about 10.5 in Jan. And the transition at Mac:Expo this year.
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Do you think they will talk about future processors? Or is that never done by Apple?

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Do you think they will talk about future processors? Or is that never done by Apple?

Eric

The G5 is the future processor. Apple would mention a future processor if it it's announced with a computer.
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The G5 is the future processor. Apple would mention a future processor if it it's announced with a computer.

I was talking about dual cores, etc.

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Do you think they will talk about future processors? Or is that never done by Apple?

Eric

Apple never talks about future processors unless under pressure.
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
they'll talk about how many users have bought the software in the first two months and they'll go into more detail about the OS. Remember the yearly updates are gone. Tiger will be here for at least a year and a half. They'll take about 10.5 in Jan. And the transition at Mac:Expo this year.

People, try to remember that WWDC is a DEVELOPER's conference first and foremost, not a user's convention or anything. As such, most of what's going to be discussed is going to be 10.4. It doesn't matter if its released in April, they still need to get the info to the developers, and get them to drink enough of the kool aid to support the new features (and remember by developers we're not just talking about programmer's from Adobe and MS, but large and small software companies, as well as people who program for in-house software.

Going on that, I wouldn't expect to be hearing about 10.5 in January, as that is a user's conference, and 10.5 would still be a year away, at least.

And I have no idea what XP 64-bit has on OS X. 64-bit XP isn't going to be some grand release (esp. since it took MS so long to even decide whether it was worth creating, plus a 64-bit OS has NO marketing appeal. "Check it out! Windows XP can now use 64-bit pointers!" or "Check it out, now you too can use more than 2GB while reading your email!".
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I just posted this on Thinksecrets forums at Applenova, but it bears repeating here as well.

"Can this date be real? As far as I can tell there are a lot more bugs, and all of the features aren't completed as yet.

This would leave just three weeks for it to be completed, the disks stamped, boxed with whatever papers (manual?) it will come with, and shrink wrapped.

A week to get to the stores and we have the 15th.

I don't know. It just doesn't seem possible.

What would the point be anyway? It might look somewhat better for the bottom lime for the quarter, but would make the next one look worse than it would have.

With everyone expecting it to come out in early June, at the conference, that would be the best time for the release. It would give them more time to fix bugs.

We don't need another nine or more updates."

I would rather see it later and more polished than two months early and buggy.
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What would the point be anyway? It might look somewhat better for the bottom lime for the quarter, but would make the next one look worse than it would have.

Those are exactly the types of factors that drive sales and marketing departments. A spike in Q2 sales would be a good thing - the surge for 10.4 won't fall off until Q3. And if Apple has Pro App updates ready for NAB (April 15ish) and hardware updates for WWDC, those will boost sales even more. Much better to spread your sales spikes out, shows steadier growth than a BIG spike in one quarter followed by the compounded softening. Plus, if Apple doesn't have Tiger out by NAB - the launch of new versions of the Pro Apps - then they have no OS to run them on.

Having said all that, according to Steve in the BusinessWeek article linked here, Apple is a PRODUCT driven company, not a SALES driven company. Lets hope he can keep OS 10.4 in the oven till it's done. If that means a soft Q2 followed by a HUGE Q3 and a weak Q4 , so be it.

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I think there's an interesting case to be made for an bigger iMac to come
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I think there's an interesting case to be made for an bigger iMac to come

There's an even bigger case for it not to happen: price, size, balance issues, and target market. I'd rather that Apple just focus on getting the 20" iMac's price down; maximum screen size doesn't matter as much as the accessibility of a given screen size.
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There's an even bigger case for it not to happen: price, size, balance issues, and target market. I'd rather that Apple just focus on getting the 20" iMac's price down; maximum screen size doesn't matter as much as the accessibility of a given screen size.

I agree. Any bigger and I would have just bought a powermac with seperate display instead of my 20" iMac (which I freekn' love!).


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A 23-inch iMac G5 would be obnoxious. Talk about overkill. I first want Apple to focus on improving the 17- and 20-inch versions by including high resolution displays, faster graphics cards and more graphics RAM, and other features.
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post #36 of 84
Didn't anyone notice the putative relase date is April 1?

There's no way that Apple is going to make a major product announcement on April Fool's day.

This report of Tiger's release has got to be bogus.
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Didn't anyone notice the putative relase date is April 1?

There's no way that Apple is going to make a major product announcement on April Fool's day.

This report of Tiger's release has got to be bogus.

The April Fools argument has been dragged up a million times already.

* Windows XP 64-Bit is due in April so Apple will want to beat them for marketing purposes.
* Amazon.com listed Tigers release as March 31st and then changed it to April and again to June after rumor sites caught wind of it.
* NAB is in April and 1 or more of the Pro apps (Shake, Final Cut Pro 5) requires Tiger to operate
* There are quite a few books on Tiger scheduled for release on April 1st and thereafter
* Links to widget downloads appeared on the apple site recently and then removed

I'm sorry but this is a little bit more than an April Fools joke, Apple wouldn't pull a stunt like that anyway!
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post #38 of 84
hey, whenever they feel the market is ready, they'll pull the trigger. it's easy to just put up on apple.com

"No foolin'. Tiger available for order April 1st."

cheesy, yes, but apple's had worse on their home page taglines.
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post #39 of 84
It will be logical to see a small speedbump in the next coming months, for both the I mac and the eMac
This said 10 % more power on an I mac will not change your life. The only good new, is that this machine will ship with a minimum of 512 MB ram. And yes it's disapointing if Apple do not give a better video card for the i macs.
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...And Airport wireless standard.
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