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Morgan Stanley today upgrade Apple Computer to "overweight," saying it believes the Mac conversion rate within Apples iPod customer base is roughly double what the market currently expects.

Following the results of a survey of both iPod and non-iPod owners, Morgan Stanley analyst, Rebecca Runkle, said additional opportunities exist for Apple to follow-on sales of iPod accessories and to leverage the iPod brand into new convergence products.

iPod Halo Effect near 20%

The survey, which polled 400 consumers, found that 19% of PC iPod owners have purchased a Mac in the past year, compared to Wall Street's expectations of 10%. These results would imply two full points of global PC market share gain for Apple in 2005, from 3% to 5%, the firm said. Going forward, the firm believes the conversion rate of the iPod customer base from PC to Mac could track closer to 25%.

Of the iPod owners polled, 43% said they are considering purchasing a Mac, with 16% saying a Mac would be their first choice. "We estimate about 26% are actually likely to buy an Apple for their next computer," the firm said. An additional 15% of non-iPod owners also said they would consider a Mac for their next computer purchase.

It appears that the major factor driving PC iPod owners to the Mac has been positive experiences with the iPod. Nearly 90% of iPod owners replacing a PC with a Mac did so, in part, due to their iPod experience, the survey revealed. While 37% of the switchers said their iPod experience had a small impact in their decision to go Mac, a resounding 52% said their iPod experience strongly influenced their decision.

Hewlett-Packard Most at Risk to Apple Gains

Based on its analysis, Morgan Stanley believes that Hewlett-Packard is most at risk to Apple's share gains in the PC industry. "Only about 3% of those expecting to purchase a PC this year rank HP/Compaq as their first brand of choice," the firm said. These results pale in comparison to HPs overall US PC market share of 20% and the aforementioned 16% of consumers who said a Mac would be their next computer of choice.

Potential for Increased Accessory Sales

The survey also found that consumers have a broader use for their iPod than other audio players. The firm sees this as an opportunity for Apple to leverage iPod accessory sales, a potential it believes the Street is underestimating. "The iPod customer base we surveyed purchased roughly 2.8 accessories to-date," Morgan Stanley analysts wrote in their report. "If we combine this purchase rate with an overage price of 15 accessories from Apples website ($52) it implies meaningful upside to iPod accessory revenue in our model."

Almost 50% of iPod owners said they have purchased both car connectors and power adapters for their iPods, and 44% said they own iPod cases, sleeves, or armbands. The abundance of iPod accessories appears to have aided consumers in making their iPod more a part of everyday life. The Morgan Stanley survey found that 49% of iPod owners use their iPod on a daily basis. By comparison, only 17% of consumers who own a competitive player use it every day.

The survey also found that iPod usage is more diverse than other portable audio players, with 52% of iPod owners connecting their iPod to their home stereo. Only 28% of owners of competitive players connect their music player to their home stereo, according to the survey. Likewise, the survey found that iPod users are more likely to listen to audio books, play games, and organize their contacts than owners of other MP3 players.

Leveraging the iPod Brand

In its study, Morgan Stanley found that the Apple 'iPod' brand scored higher in many respects than the 'Apple' or 'Macintosh' brands. "Given positive experience of iPod customers upon visiting the Apple store, we believe Apple has the ability to migrate the iPod brand to other product segments," the firm said. Additionally, its findings show there is consumer appetite to shift to higher functionality iPods such as the iPod photo.

While only 4% of iPod owners surveyed said they own an iPod photo, 17% said they are considering an iPod photo as their next MP3 player purchase. 42% said they'd stick with the flagship iPod offering, while 22% would rather have an iPod mini. However, only 5% of iPod owners surveyed said they were considering purchasing iPod shuffle.

Raising Estimates

Based on an iPod customer base of 18 million, Morgan Stanley is expecting a 19% iPod halo effect and increased accessory sales to boost Apple's 2005 fiscal year earnings to $1.31 a share on revenue of $16.9 billion. The firm expects Apple to earn $1.84 per share on revenues of $25.6 billion in 2006 as the iPod customer base surpasses 42 million. But if the iPod halo effect continues to swell upwards of 27% by 2006, Morgan Stanley projects Apple could see yearly revenues of nearly $30 billion.

"Regardless of where Apple chooses to leverage its brand, market share and knowledge base, the opportunity doesnt end at audio players," the firm said.

Morgan Stanley upgraded its rating on Apple to 'Overweight' with a price target of $60.
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post #2 of 71
One out of every four iPod users to convert to Mac? Most excellent.
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post #3 of 71
Absolutely awesome!!! Way to go, Apple. I was getting kinda bored with being an Apple fanatic, thinking it was just hot air, but it's articles like this that induce more excitement.
post #4 of 71
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One out of every four iPod users to convert to Mac? Most excellent.

that's less than 1 out of 5 (19%), and it's obviously only of PC iPod users
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post #5 of 71
One in five (~19%) sounds amazingly high to me--I find myself skeptical. I can see 20% in the long run as people naturally replace their current computer... or the one after that.

But 19% have ALREADY bought Macs? If true, I'm amazed. The Mac Mini won't hurt that trend either.
post #6 of 71
Excellent news!

I bought an iMac G5 after getting an iPod last year. And 3 other friends of mine also bought a mac from first having an iPod. The halo effect is very much real.
post #7 of 71
This is exceptionally good news. However, a few points should come with caveats:

1. The statistics about iPod use vs. competitive player use doesn't really tell us anything new or contrary to logic. iPod use is proving to be more diverse than with competitors not so much because of an intrinsic iPod property but because iPods are hard-drive based players and the majority of competition players on the market are not. I'll explain: since Apple virtually has a chokehold on the hard-drive digital music market, and only just recently introduced the iPod to the flash-based arena, the statistics concerning people using competitive players in their everyday life and hooking them up to stereos should be taken on the assumption that the vast majority of these players are flash-based. Who really goes to the trouble to hook up the equivalent of a few CD's to a home stereo system that already plays them (and these days probably accommodates mp3 cds)? We already know that hard-drive players have more diverse uses than flash-based players, and this statistic is telling us that again (it's a defacto comparison between hd to flash, not iPod to competition, and unfortunately it is precisely in the area of hard-drive players that Apple faces real competition right now with the fairly attractive bouquet promised by the Napster-to-go service and a competitive player).

2. With a forward-thinking model such as this, we assume growth rates and a curve based on past adoption and popularity. With something as fickle as the consumer mindset, even while Apple keeps its products competitive and attractive, a more realistic approach would be to model off of past burgeoning markets where a phenomenon became mainstream. In these, the market generally tends toward a selectively competitive balance after a period of single-brand dominance. The competition exists right now; it's really a question of how long Apple's dominance will last before the market opens up, which could be later down the line or right now. On the other hand, it could be possible that the digital music market doesn't follow old models or rules (sort of like Apple) and all this practical stuff is just so much traditionalist slock.

3. No one is compiling statistics on what is still a disturbing trend - the number of mac people who are switching to PCs. These folks already know the experience, many probably love it, but sadly they are forced based on price considerations and workplace constraints to make a crappy switch. Now, price constraints aren't the factor they once were, and Apple's making enterprise gains, but this is a statistic that has been steadily growing (as Apple's share has been steadily declining, though recently less so due to all of this likeable halo business).

These are, however, pretty piddling caveats in the face of some really good news. Hey, anyone else buy their stock pre-split at $14.76? Life is good...
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All I can say is that the switcher-swarms are going to wreak havoc at AI. Stickie implementation will be a must in order to avoid 3,000,000 threads titled "How do I uninstall programs on MAC?" "Can I still use messenger?" etc...

Or, now that the forum organization is up in the air, a newbie FAQ forum full of stickies. When it becomes unbearable, someone's gotta post this one in Suggestions..erm Feedback.

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post #9 of 71
Wow.

BTW the HP rebrand is embarrassing. Isn't their slogan "invent"?

Which will be the next HP "product"?

The HP Air Jordan.

HP iMac

HP TiCalc

HP Handycam

HP Tyson chicken

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_HP Grill

HP Reality TV (Board members are voted off until they have a new CEO)

HP Metallica

HP Nerf

OK, that's enough...
post #11 of 71
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post #12 of 71
I do think things are looking better for Apple than they have in a long time.

However, I like to remember that analysts are in large part the same people that brought us the tech bubble. It is now fashionable to claim Apple is doing better than everyone thinks. Herd-mentality or group-think may be in effect here. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for them to be correct.

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All I can say is that the switcher-swarms are going to wreak havoc at AI. Stickie implementation will be a must in order to avoid 3,000,000 threads titled "How do I uninstall programs on MAC?" "Can I still use messenger?" etc...

Or, now that the forum organization is up in the air, a newbie FAQ forum full of stickies. When it becomes unbearable, someone's gotta post this one in Suggestions..erm Feedback.

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remember, we were all mac virgins once upon a time too you know, a lot of us had someone lead us through our first 'experiences', it was exciting yet gentle...

also, more mac users means an increased likelyhood of chicks/babes actually participating in Ai forums (more than the current demographic of AI)

but you have a good point, as halo effect kicks in, it would be nice to do some newbie herding/wrangling on appleinsider to manage the newbies - it should be a strategy that guides them and makes them feel welcome to the mac, yet without straining/flooding us elitist bastards (so we can go back to whining about poor GPUs, G5 powerbooks, and speculate on Apple's Tivo-killer)
post #14 of 71
For GMac,

Hi. I am curious if your friends are happy with their new iMacs, and did they wrestle a while with the idea to learn OSX, or did they dive right in? Did they find learning the Mac OSX a cakewalk, easy, a nuisance, or a struggle?

I ask because I have two friends (very basic user level: email and surf) who are considering the Mac mini. I tell them that after:
1 day, they will be functional OSX users,
1 week, they will be comfortable OSX users,

Am I painting too rosy a picture for them?
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For GMac,

Hi. I am curious if your friends are happy with their new iMacs, and did they wrestle a while with the idea to learn OSX, or did they dive right in? Did they find learning the Mac OSX a cakewalk, easy, a nuisance, or a struggle?

I ask because I have two friends (very basic user level: email and surf) who are considering the Mac mini. I tell them that after:
1 day, they will be functional OSX users,
1 week, they will be comfortable OSX users,

Am I painting too rosy a picture for them?

Depends how stupid they are.

I bought a friend an iBook and she picked it up immediately.
post #16 of 71
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Originally posted by Apple3.14
For GMac,

Hi. I am curious if your friends are happy with their new iMacs, and did they wrestle a while with the idea to learn OSX, or did they dive right in? Did they find learning the Mac OSX a cakewalk, easy, a nuisance, or a struggle?

I ask because I have two friends (very basic user level: email and surf) who are considering the Mac mini. I tell them that after:
1 day, they will be functional OSX users,
1 week, they will be comfortable OSX users,

Am I painting too rosy a picture for them?

1 month, they will be converted switchers
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Be warned, this 'could' be like the Blue Jays winning the world series: step one in the demise of the franchise...
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post #18 of 71
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remember, we were all mac virgins once upon a time too you know, a lot of us had someone lead us through our first 'experiences', it was exciting yet gentle...

Hey, I'm constantly posting idiot questions that would make you think I was the typical virgin who didn't know where the cum.apple.clit.peelist was. But only AFTER searching, instructions for which should be the NUMBER ONE stickie. When I search, I find tangential shite I never would have picked up on with a straight-away post.

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Hey, I'm constantly posting idiot questions that would make you think I was the typical virgin who didn't know where the cum.apple.clit.peelist was.........

omigod... ROFLMAO... your post is so "wrong" but so funny on sooooo many levels

yes, a clit is sometimes as hard to find as a bloody .plist file and vice versa


....rant
on a serious note though, let me just say that when i did finally enjoy intimacy with a woman, i realised the so called 'sex education' in my *religious* high school was all about scaring us and making us feel guilty and making us think that sex is wrong and evil and bad
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post #20 of 71
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BTW the HP rebrand is embarrassing. Isn't their slogan "invent"?

HAHA OMG LOLz.

Too bad HP was #4 on the USPTO ANNUAL LIST OF TOP 10 ORGANIZATIONS RECEIVING MOST U.S. PATENTS:
http://www.uspto.gov/main/homepagenews/bak11jan2005.htm

Apple wasn't even on the list!

Yeah so I guess their slogan should be "invent."

for the record:
1. IBM
2. Matsushita
3. Canon
4. HP
5. Micron
6. Samsung
7. Intel
8. Hitachi
9. Toshiba
10. Sony

I love it when people find out Apple's competing with someone and immediately try to defam their company. Hilarious, really.
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post #21 of 71
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Originally posted by Malokata
No one is compiling statistics on what is still a disturbing trend - the number of mac people who are switching to PCs.

You're right, I don't have those stats. Apple probably does

But I feel very certain that is NOT the trend.

Cost doesn't "force" many people to stop using Macs--they cost less in the long run due to numerous factors. (Less need for support, lower failure rates, longer usable life, no need for antivirus software, etc.) Many Macs even cost less out of the box than fast-selling name-brand PCs... especially once you add the little extras and bundled software than PC makers tend to omit. And need I mention the Mac Mini as a way to afford a Mac?

Workplace constraints might indeed force some people to buy a PC with their own money to use for their employer. But that's not likely to make them give up their Mac.

In short, real live Mac-to-PC switchers must exist. But they're a pretty rare breed compared to the reverse
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Cost doesn't "force" many people to stop using Macs--they cost less in the long run due to numerous factors. (Less need for support, lower failure rates, longer usable life, no need for antivirus software, etc.) Many Macs even cost less out of the box than fast-selling name-brand PCs... especially once you add the little extras and bundled software than PC makers tend to omit. And need I mention the Mac Mini as a way to afford a Mac?

It's amazing how many times I have to repeat this, but the majority of computers sold are whitebox PCs.

Whitebox PCs are PCs that are pre-assembled but have no brand name label on them.

The margins are so low on these, it's basically like building a computer from http://pricewatch.com and adding 10%.

People DO switch from name brand (Apple, Dell, Compaq) to white box all the time, after finding out that it's the same product (minus support) for half the price. Compaq and Dell used to build whiteboxes, but they found out (dell more recently) that people were buying from the geek down the street or the small business on the corner, and they've consequently gotten out of it.

This is probably where Apple would be losing customers to. Not everyone can afford another mac nowadays, and the mac mini would be a downgrade for some.
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post #23 of 71
Consumers mostly regarding the white box thing.

Every now and then we run into biz clients that "roll their own" but not many. Take a company that has 200 seats. That's alot of work building and maintaining all the parts knowing that all support is coming from your staff.

I think if Apple can get the Mac mini production caught up they could definitely make wave especially is they have some kickass advertising once Tiger hits.

Apple has a year to flog Tiger and Macs before Microsoft can start beating the Longhorn drums. Take advantage now. Tiger is "the" OS to highlight. Apple just needs to keep the iPods flying off the shelves and expand the product line where it needs to be.
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post #24 of 71
Well I can only speak for myself, but out of all my friends who own iPods (and that's pretty much everyone) only 2 of them are sort of talking about getting a Mac. Both of them are only considering it for virus-related reasons though. One of them can't even open up Word files on his computer, and the other is getting a new virus every week.

But then I have some friends who rave Rave RAVE about the iPod but still make fun of Apple computers and would never switch.

Oh well, even one more new Apple customer is a good thing.
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Both of them are only considering it for virus-related reasons though.

Isn't that reason enough?

(reason enough for them to buy Macs, not for Microsoft to develop Mac virii)
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Be warned, this 'could' be like the Blue Jays winning the world series: step one in the demise of the franchise...

Alright Matsu!! Making Red Sox fans sound optimistic!!!! (dang, can't really use that analogy anymore)

Besides didn't kormac predict this migration from the v***iPod, to the v*****mini years ago?!?!?
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post #27 of 71
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.... Both of them are only considering it for virus-related reasons though. One of them can't even open up Word files on his computer, and the other is getting a new virus every week....

no offense to your friends, but this is the typical idiotic take-it-up-the-ass-from-microsoft behaviour that perpetuates the monopoly

and you'll be surprised, this occurs not just for average consumers but in the corporate workplace as well. hours of wasted productivity thanks to 'money saved' not buying apple

such people (consumers and businesses that like to get REAMED by m$) probably don't deserve to use apple anyway, they're not ready to 'switch' to common sense
post #28 of 71
Most of my PC owning friends who over the years used to kid me about owning a Mac have stopped. Two have actually switched.

One is an engineer for a large building complex in lower Manhattan, and the other purchases engineering workstations for the MTA (Metropolitan Transportation Authority).

The first bought a 12" Powerbook because he writes JAVA programs for the engineering department and thinks that the Mac is the best JAVA development platform (and he just likes it).

The second just got fed up with all the problems and security hassles. He bought a 15" Powerbook.

Both used to put the Mac down. Now they pick it up and carry it (sorry, I couldn't help it).
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......Both used to put the Mac down. Now they pick it up and carry it (sorry, I couldn't help it).

LOL
post #30 of 71
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Originally posted by Malokata
iPod use is proving to be more diverse than with competitors not so much because of an intrinsic iPod property but because iPods are hard-drive based players and the majority of competition players on the market are not.

The survey didn't make it clear if they meant all mp3 players or just the direct competition (Rio, iRiver, Creative Zen etc) so I wouldn't like to draw the same conclusion. I could see why flash based players get used less but if the survey was only taking in direct competition then it's quite an interesting statistic.
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Workplace constraints might indeed force some people to buy a PC with their own money to use for their employer. But that's not likely to make them give up their Mac.

In short, real live Mac-to-PC switchers must exist. But they're a pretty rare breed compared to the reverse

In business it's not as rare though.

For instance, one of the companies I host a website for was using Macs across two sites with an Xserve at one and a G4 at the other handling mail. They were a Mac only (mostly) shop with 30+ Mac users. The Xserve was new and just bought as a fileserver rather than anything else. The G4 ran the old Eudora Mail server software for both sites. Yes, mad I know but that's what they had.

Anyway, they got in a consultant, who they paid too much money for, and he suggested they install a Win2003 server and Exchange. Presumably he knew bog all about OSX Server.

Since they were a Mac shop, the guy that I usually deal with wasn't overly pleased with having to employ an extra Windows support guy, pay the licencing fees and switch everyone to Entourage so, knowing their webhost knew Macs, they asked me.

So, I told them how to config the xserve for mail and saved them a bundle. With what they saved, they've bought a second xserve and an Xserve RAID and added some web based groupware which they run on the Xserve. ;-)

And it's running wonderfully for them.

The moral of the story is that some companies just don't see Macs as capable of running an enterprise so automatically go the MS route. Especially if they employ clueless consultants who will try and bump up their commission by selling them kit they don't need.
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In business it's not as rare though.

For instance, one of the companies I host a website for was using Macs across two sites with an Xserve at one and a G4 at the other handling mail. They were a Mac only (mostly) shop with 30+ Mac users. The Xserve was new and just bought as a fileserver rather than anything else. The G4 ran the old Eudora Mail server software for both sites. Yes, mad I know but that's what they had.

Anyway, they got in a consultant, who they paid too much money for, and he suggested they install a Win2003 server and Exchange. Presumably he knew bog all about OSX Server.

Since they were a Mac shop, the guy that I usually deal with wasn't overly pleased with having to employ an extra Windows support guy, pay the licencing fees and switch everyone to Entourage so, knowing their webhost knew Macs, they asked me.

So, I told them how to config the xserve for mail and saved them a bundle. With what they saved, they've bought a second xserve and an Xserve RAID and added some web based groupware which they run on the Xserve. ;-)

And it's running wonderfully for them.

The moral of the story is that some companies just don't see Macs as capable of running an enterprise so automatically go the MS route. Especially if they employ clueless consultants who will try and bump up their commission by selling them kit they don't need.

that is a beautiful Apple-in-the-Enterprise story

can you just mention, what is the IMAP-mail-server you are using, and what is the mail clients the users are using? thanks and keep up the great work

f8ck that bullshit-ass consultant rubbish. MS Exchange and Lotus Notes is rubbish.

edit: also, what is this web-based groupware? how does it compare to Lotus if you were to have to convince a small-to-medium-enterprise to stay in Macs or Switch??
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can you just mention, what is the IMAP-mail-server you are using, and what is the mail clients the users are using? thanks and keep up the great work

edit: also, what is this web-based groupware? how does it compare to Lotus if you were to have to convince a small-to-medium-enterprise to stay in Macs or Switch??

They're using Kerio now. Before that they were up and running with just the built in OSX Server stuff.

http://www.kerio.co.uk/
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They're using Kerio now. Before that they were up and running with just the built in OSX Server stuff.

http://www.kerio.co.uk/

sweet
post #35 of 71
There's people actually buying Apple computers because they bought a ipod??? That doesn't make any sense.
The ipod is like the Xbox...they have their own operating system.
So if I buy a xbox..can I buy WXP?

I have used a Mac since before they were Macs...My mom bought one of the first PowerPCs..a PowerMac 8100 with a PowerPC 601 chip.
The only thing that in my mind,has plagued Apple of late, is the lack of a 2-button mouse..but rumor has it such a thing is being invented..

I use both Macs and PCs...they're both great at what they do. I do like when I put blank media in,Windows asks what I would like to do..and I can drag and drop..MacOSX starts up isomething or other

Powermac= G4 450Mhz with 1.38GB of SDRAM
PC=AMD AthlonXP 1.8Ghz with 1GB of DDR400Mhz

Apple could really shine if they had a lot more third-party support..like in Windows when you connect a device,it loads the drivers.
One really nice thing about Apple...very very little(if none) trouble with spyware...mostly it's pop-ups.
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There's people actually buying Apple computers because they bought a ipod??? That doesn't make any sense.
The ipod is like the Xbox...they have their own operating system.
So if I buy a xbox..can I buy WXP?

I have used a Mac since before they were Macs...My mom bought one of the first PowerPCs..a PowerMac 8100 with a PowerPC 601 chip.
The only thing that in my mind,has plagued Apple of late, is the lack of a 2-button mouse..but rumor has it such a thing is being invented..

I use both Macs and PCs...they're both great at what they do. I do like when I put blank media in,Windows asks what I would like to do..and I can drag and drop..MacOSX starts up isomething or other

Powermac= G4 450Mhz with 1.38GB of SDRAM
PC=AMD AthlonXP 1.8Ghz with 1GB of DDR400Mhz

Apple could really shine if they had a lot more third-party support..like in Windows when you connect a device,it loads the drivers.
One really nice thing about Apple...very very little(if none) trouble with spyware...mostly it's pop-ups.

It's the experience with the whole shebang. The hardware, the software, and for those who go to an Apple store to buy it, the experience of seeing for the first time, a properly set up store full of all the latest, and being able to play with it for the first time.
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There's people actually buying Apple computers because they bought a ipod??? That doesn't make any sense.
The ipod is like the Xbox...they have their own operating system.
So if I buy a xbox..can I buy WXP?


No, it's not that. It's the 'Hey, this iPod is a fantastic product, maybe I should look at their other products' realisation going on. The iPod is a foot in the door regardless of if it has any relation to MacOS or not.


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I have used a Mac since before they were Macs...My mom bought one of the first PowerPCs..a PowerMac 8100 with a PowerPC 601 chip.
The only thing that in my mind,has plagued Apple of late, is the lack of a 2-button mouse..but rumor has it such a thing is being invented..

Right? so the the fate of the Mac rests on the inclusion of a $10 product which is easily replaced with another $10 product should you not like the Apple product. Utter bull. And if you really had used a Mac 'since before they were Macs' (huh?) then you'd realise what a load of crap that statement is.

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I use both Macs and PCs...they're both great at what they do. I do like when I put blank media in,Windows asks what I would like to do..and I can drag and drop..MacOSX starts up isomething or other

You know, I like the fact that on the Mac I can configure what it does when I insert blank media rather than ask me every friggin time. Perhaps you should learn how to use your Mac properly.


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Powermac= G4 450Mhz with 1.38GB of SDRAM
PC=AMD AthlonXP 1.8Ghz with 1GB of DDR400Mhz

1.38GB of RAM? Neat trick. How did you manage that. What's that? two 512MB DIMMS and a 389.12MB one? Or are is that a 1000MB DIMM and a 356MB DIMM?

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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
Apple could really shine if they had a lot more third-party support..like in Windows when you connect a device,it loads the drivers.

Perhaps it could, although the last camera, scanner, mouse and printer I bought all worked without asking for drivers, whereas I couldn't use the scanner or the mouse fully on my Windows box without having to load in a driver from CD and the camera and printer both needed a reboot before they worked. Funny that. So much for better device support. Then again, my Sony Ericsson phone is not supported via USB on my Mac, only via Bluetooth but the PC supports it by both although I do have to reboot every time I sync via bluetooth on the PC.


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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
One really nice thing about Apple...very very little(if none) trouble with spyware...mostly it's pop-ups.

Hint: stop using Microsoft Internet Explorer on your Mac. You'll find that both Safari and Firefox both block popups. I've not come across ANY spyware on the Mac. And no viruses either.
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Originally posted by melgross
It's the experience with the whole shebang. The hardware, the software, and for those who go to an Apple store to buy it, the experience of seeing for the first time, a properly set up store full of all the latest, and being able to play with it for the first time.

Since Apple sell half their kit in Europe and elsewhere, where there aren't any Apple stores, with the occasional exception, it's not the Apple store Experience that sells their product.

Small thought - perhaps it's their products perhaps?
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
Since Apple sell half their kit in Europe and elsewhere, where there aren't any Apple stores, with the occasional exception, it's not the Apple store Experience that sells their product.

Small thought - perhaps it's their products perhaps?

Well since 75% of all iPods are sold here, and a survey by Merrill Lynch said that the store experience was of importance, I beg to differ.

Did you only read the last half of the second sentence? What about the rest of what I said? Read the first sentence and the first part of the second and then comment.
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
Small thought - perhaps it's their products perhaps? [/B]

Yeah, but they've always had great products. I think the stores are important to educate people. I also think that because some of these stores are so elaborite, that Apple doesn't really seem like this >3% market share computer company.
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