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post #41 of 71
3/25/05 at 6:24am
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Originally posted by the cool gut
Yeah, but they've always had great products. I think the stores are important to educate people. I also think that because some of these stores are so elaborite, that Apple doesn't really seem like this >3% market share computer company.

yup it seems like a 60% market share MUSIC company, which it is...

nah, just messing with you, i know what ya mean
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post #42 of 71
3/25/05 at 6:26am
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Originally posted by sunilraman
yup it seems like a 60% market share MUSIC company, which it is...

nah, just messing with you, i know what ya mean

you know, 10 years from now, when the teenagers grow up, there'll be those 20-somethings all like, hey, yeah, i think apple started off making iPods then they got into making computers and stuff

it will be up to us old skool kids to set them straight and remind them what the world was like before iPods... wait, oh yes, now i remember, Discmans and before that Walkmans
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post #43 of 71
3/25/05 at 9:38am
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Originally posted by melgross
Well since 75% of all iPods are sold here, and a survey by Merrill Lynch said that the store experience was of importance, I beg to differ.

Did you only read the last half of the second sentence? What about the rest of what I said? Read the first sentence and the first part of the second and then comment.


Obviously you and Merrill Lynch are wrong, IN EUROPE, since we have no Apple Stores except in London yet sales (not revenue) have increased 33.2%.

I'm not saying it's not important, but it's the products that are attracting people to Apple now, not the stores. If there is any halo effect, it's from positive experiences with good Apple products like the iPod and now good inexpensive products like the Mac Mini and iMacG5.
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post #44 of 71
3/25/05 at 9:52am
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Originally posted by the cool gut
Yeah, but they've always had great products. I think the stores are important to educate people. I also think that because some of these stores are so elaborite, that Apple doesn't really seem like this >3% market share computer company.

You must have quite a short term memory. I didn't buy a Mac until 2001 because the products weren't up to scratch and saddled with an OS that should have been pensioned off 5 years earlier. They were also extremely expensive by comparison.

Now, they are competitively priced, have the best OS and come bundled with a load of very useful applications instead of the rubbish you usually get bundled with a PC.

In Europe they also had almost zero high street presence. Thanks to the iMac and iPod that is changing. And that's not because we have Apple stores.
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post #45 of 71
3/27/05 at 11:01pm
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
Obviously you and Merrill Lynch are wrong, IN EUROPE, since we have no Apple Stores except in London yet sales (not revenue) have increased 33.2%.

I'm not saying it's not important, but it's the products that are attracting people to Apple now, not the stores. If there is any halo effect, it's from positive experiences with good Apple products like the iPod and now good inexpensive products like the Mac Mini and iMacG5.

Again, you didn't read my post too well. I said that for those WHO DID GO TO THE STORES. That obviously doesn't include those who DIDN'T go.

I did first mention the software and the hardware, perhaps in Europe reading is something that has been superceeded by those little pictures over everything?
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post #46 of 71
3/27/05 at 11:06pm
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
You must have quite a short term memory. I didn't buy a Mac until 2001 because the products weren't up to scratch and saddled with an OS that should have been pensioned off 5 years earlier. They were also extremely expensive by comparison.

Now, they are competitively priced, have the best OS and come bundled with a load of very useful applications instead of the rubbish you usually get bundled with a PC.

In Europe they also had almost zero high street presence. Thanks to the iMac and iPod that is changing. And that's not because we have Apple stores.

I really don't think we're impressed about when you first bought your Mac. I bought my first one in 1991, and despite what you may think, those of us who made money professionally with our computers didn't think that the products weren't "up to scratch" or that the OS pensionable. Business's such as mine were reluctant to move to X. Believe me, there was no rush.
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post #47 of 71
3/28/05 at 2:52am
Hi folks,

I found a nice article about the halo effect. (In this case it was the iPod and not the store experience)

Halo effect
Greetings,

bka77

Regent Street, Bluewater and more
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Greetings,

bka77

Regent Street, Bluewater and more
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post #48 of 71
3/30/05 at 3:11pm
I know that my cousin in the Navy,bought a ipod...he didn't like it.
The battery was IMO designed to die after so long a period..thereby making you purchase a new ipod or send it to someone to haxor and replace with a good battery..or allah forbid, you send it to apple themselves...

Now my flash based RCA player's batteries die after a long period of time,and when that happens I buy some more Duracells.

Re aegis's post about my powermac G4
I clicked on the blue apple,went to About This Mac
Processor 450 Mhz PowerPC G4
Memory 1.38GB SDRAM

DIMM0/J21 SIZE 512MB TYPE SDRAM SPEED PC133
DIMM1/J22 SIZE 512MB TYPE SDRAM SPEED PC133
DIMM2/J23 SIZE 128MB TYPE SDRAM SPEED PC133
DIMM3/J24 SIZE 256MB TYPE SDRAM SPEED PC100

bringing the total to 1.38GB SDRAM. ur a nub aegis.
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post #49 of 71
3/30/05 at 3:44pm
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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
I know that my cousin in the Navy,bought a ipod...he didn't like it.
The battery was IMO designed to die after so long a period..thereby making you purchase a new ipod or send it to someone to haxor and replace with a good battery..or allah forbid, you send it to apple themselves...

Do people still keep bitching about iPod batteries? Good grief.

IME of Applecare, they took 4 days to repair an iBook screen door to door. I can't imagine replacing a battery would be such a big deal.


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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
Now my flash based RCA player's batteries die after a long period of time,and when that happens I buy some more Duracells.

A battery is a battery is a battery. They don't have some pre-programmed life span in them. They last x hours under situation y regardless of them being from Apple or Duracell. If y changes, so does x. For most people x is a couple of years so what's the big deal?

My Palm Vx has a battery in it I can't replace without sending it back. So does my UPS. Yet I don't see websites devoted to the Palm Battery problem or the APC UPS problem.

Then again, since I bought those products knowing full well the battery was built in but that they were the best product regardless, I've no right to bitch.

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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
Re aegis's post about my powermac G4
I clicked on the blue apple,went to About This Mac
Processor 450 Mhz PowerPC G4
Memory 1.38GB SDRAM

DIMM0/J21 SIZE 512MB TYPE SDRAM SPEED PC133
DIMM1/J22 SIZE 512MB TYPE SDRAM SPEED PC133
DIMM2/J23 SIZE 128MB TYPE SDRAM SPEED PC133
DIMM3/J24 SIZE 256MB TYPE SDRAM SPEED PC100

bringing the total to 1.38GB SDRAM. ur a nub aegis.


LOL! it's rounded your memory up.

You actually only have 1.375GB. 'Do the Math' as USAians are often heard to say causing us Brits to wonder why they don't do spelling too. It's 'Maths' dog nabbit. ;-)
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post #50 of 71
3/30/05 at 5:50pm
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
'Do the Math' as USAians are often heard to say causing us Brits to wonder why they don't do spelling too. It's 'Maths' dog nabbit. ;-)

while y'all may not suspect it i was taught the Queen's English at school, and she would prefer us to say, instead of "do da math":

"One would be wise to perform various mathematical calculations before making up one's mind"

and yo dawgs check this out, in high school my "math" or "maths" textbooks actually said Mathematics on the cover

old skool

bonus points for anyone that guesses where i did high skool. hint: is not UK, Ireland, Europe, or USA.
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post #51 of 71
3/30/05 at 7:26pm
back in the day in grade-school the textbook for math said mathematics.

I would venture a guess of Australia.

like Dr. House said "You put the Queen on your money, you're British"

Was your UPS battery so cheap-ass that it was basically designed to fail after a period of time?
Ibook? what's that?...oh yes..wannabe Titanium Powerbook..now I remember.
last time i checked you didnt get 1.375GB from 512x2, 256, and
128..calculated it's 1.408GB

512
512
256
128 equals
1,408
but then again it's the mac os x..so there is some automatically taken away,reserved for system resources, blah blah blah
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post #52 of 71
3/30/05 at 8:56pm
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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
Was your UPS battery so cheap-ass that it was basically designed to fail after a period of time?

No, You send it back for a new battery.

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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
Ibook? what's that?...oh yes..wannabe Titanium Powerbook..now I remember.

Nothing of the sort. It's an iBook. G3 500Mhz, white and plastic with a 12" screen. I can assure you it's not trying to be a wannabe anything. It does get better wifi reception than a TiBook though, and better battery life, which was useful at the time plus the 12" Powerbook hadn't been released then and the Ti was too big and too pricey.

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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
last time i checked you didnt get 1.375GB from 512x2, 256, and
128..calculated it's 1.408GB

512
512
256
128 equals
1,408
but then again it's the mac os x..so there is some automatically taken away,reserved for system resources, blah blah blah

Give a man a rope, and he'll hang himself by it. Do the math again.

1 GB = 1024MB

Therefore 1408MB = 1.375GB (or 1.38 if you're Apple and round up)

It's got nothing to do with memory being taken away for system resources - utter tosh.

My iBook with 640MB says 640MB. My iMac with 1GB (2x 512MB) says 1GB, not 1.024 GB. ;-)

I'd have thought you'd be better off ditching the 128MB PC100 RAM as it's probably conflicting with the PC133 RAM and introducing extra wait states. It's generally not an idea to mix the two though it may depend on the model.
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post #53 of 71
3/31/05 at 1:22am
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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
back in the day in grade-school the textbook for math said mathematics.
I would venture a guess of Australia.
like Dr. House said "You put the Queen on your money, you're British"
.....

good try. but it was one of the other colonies Singapore, early 90s. Singapore gained independence in the 1960s but since then almost all public high school is still done in British English...

**his south-east-asia history lecture over, sunilraman steps aside to continue watching the mudslinging between Aegis and Alaskanblacklab**
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post #54 of 71
3/31/05 at 1:30am
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Originally posted by sunilraman
sunilraman steps aside to continue watching the mudslinging between Aegis and Alaskanblacklab**

Sorry, Is this the right room for an argument? I did pay for the full 30 minutes.
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post #55 of 71
3/31/05 at 1:42am
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
Sorry, Is this the right room for an argument? I did pay for the full 30 minutes.

yes, please continue, i paid for the full hour.
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post #56 of 71
3/31/05 at 2:45am
May as well give the masses their paid time...

Whatever aegis...all I know is that there is 1.38GB of memory..that is if you follow the common method of 512x2=1024 plus 384(that's 128-256)
Follow this, 1GB plus 384MB=1.38

Now most people say 1,024MB of SDRAM..that's a GB of Ram...following the math of 1024 bytes equal a kilobyte and 1024 kilobytes equal a Megabyte and 1024 Megabytes equal a Gigabyte...
anything less than 1024, doesn't mean it's rounded up to the next unit..
Why in the world do you keep saying "it's 1.375" that's if your using a calculator and divide 1408 by 1024...then you end up with 1.375
However according to the computer..it has 1.384GB of SDRAM

System Software converts 1024 into 1GB..anything added to that makes it 1GB+whatever....ie 1024MB+256MB=1.25GB
I have 1.5GB of DDR400Mhz in my AMD Athlon...but if I were to use the 512x3 I would end up with 1,536...however the system recogizes 1,024 as 1GB so anything else is 1GB+512....

I retract my statement about 1,408....because I didn't figure in Operating System recognition of Memory...

again Aegis
1GB+(for example 512MB) equals 1.5GB

I admit my mistake,can you admit you were wrong aegis??
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post #57 of 71
3/31/05 at 3:25am
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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
May as well give the masses their paid time...

Whatever aegis...all I know is that there is 1.38GB of memory..that is if you follow the common method of 512x2=1024 plus 384(that's 128-256)
Follow this, 1GB plus 384MB=1.38


No. That doesn't follow unless you round up to two significant decimal places as Apple have done. Fair enough I guess if a little cheeky on their part as it inflates the value by a whole .005GB.


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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
Now most people say 1,024MB of SDRAM..that's a GB of Ram...following the math of 1024 bytes equal a kilobyte and 1024 kilobytes equal a Megabyte and 1024 Megabytes equal a Gigabyte...

Agreed, because 'most people' would be spot on correct.

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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
anything less than 1024, doesn't mean it's rounded up to the next unit..
Why in the world do you keep saying "it's 1.375" that's if your using a calculator and divide 1408 by 1024...then you end up with 1.375

Because I'm not confusing Base 2 with Base 10 and using a _decimal_ point as a _decimal_ point not some delimiter between GB and MB.

1408MB = 1.375GB if G = 1024. Your RAM adds up to exactly 1408MB.


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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab

However according to the computer..it has 1.384GB of SDRAM


Wow! it's grown another .004 of a GB since you last looked. Or are you confusing number systems again?


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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab

System Software converts 1024 into 1GB..anything added to that makes it 1GB+whatever....ie 1024MB+256MB=1.25GB

No, No, No.

1024MB + 256MB = 1280MB

1280 / 1024 = 1.25 exactly.

No magic there - just basic maths.


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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab

I have 1.5GB of DDR400Mhz in my AMD Athlon...but if I were to use the 512x3 I would end up with 1,536...however the system recogizes 1,024 as 1GB so anything else is 1GB+512....

You do realise that 1024 + 512 = 1536 also.

1536 / 1024 = (surprise, surprise) 1.5 exactly. You're quite good at proving my point.


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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab

I retract my statement about 1,408....because I didn't figure in Operating System recognition of Memory...


Huh?

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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab

again Aegis
1GB+(for example 512MB) equals 1.5GB

I admit my mistake,can you admit you were wrong aegis??

LOL!

1GB + 512MB = 1024MB + 512MB = 1536 MB

1536 / 1024 = 1.5


There's nothing to admit to being wrong about, except maybe arguing with someone who can defy logic even when it's written down for them.
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post #58 of 71
3/31/05 at 4:03am
awesome. well worth the money

*sigh* i always got top grades in the 'standard maths' subject at high skool. but then i always ended up with the really smart kids doing stupid 'advanced maths' subjects which were bloody useless... i sucked at the 'advanced maths' subjects, particularly in 8th grade we had a female teacher that liked to wear fairly translucent white long trousers, lets just say when she was writing on the blackboard i wasn't looking at the numbers... but i digress

... i guess i am biased towards computer-science-related maths, such as 'standard maths' techniques used in above calculations, base-N, logarithms, trigonometry, vectors and matrices... all that 'theorem' proving shite we did in 'advanced maths' is only useful if you're the russel crowe character in A Beautiful Mind... and look what it did to him...!

umm can someone else confirm or deny Aegis' claim. i'm too tired to look at the calculations, i was just watching the fireworks ...also i think i have distracted myself with memories of my 8th grade 'advanced' maths teacher
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post #59 of 71
3/31/05 at 4:12am
I think it's time to put this thing to rest.

Let's say you had the following combination in 8 slots:

1x1 Gig
1x512 MB
1x256 MB
1x128 MB
1x64 MB
1x32 MB
1x16 MB
1x8 MB

What would you have according to ABL's system?

1+1.016=2.016Gig?

Then change that last stick to a 16 (adding 8 MB) and youd get 2.0 Gig?

2.016 Gig + 8 MB = 2.0 Gig?

So 2.0 > 2.016?



Think about it in another more simple example. You have one gig stick and one 512 MB stick. That's 1.5 Gig. Period. Likewise you have one gig stick and one 256 MB stick. That's 1.25 Gig. Full stop. Endy Story. It's not 1.256. That's dumb.
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post #60 of 71
3/31/05 at 4:26am
when I said the computer (the G4) had 1.38GB..I purposely didn't include the .004 part..
I didn't use the calculator..
and your not following me aegis...
1GB+256=1.25GB. 1GB+512MB=1.51GB 1GB+128=1.12GB (of course I didn't add the .006 to the 256,the .002 to the 512 and .008 to the 128...)
DON'T USE THE CALCULATOR..just use the MegaByte description..
that's the problem aegis,your using the calculator...
DON'T USE IT!!

Run System Profiler you nub..
of course if your imac had 1GB+256MB you would have 1.25GB
are you done Aegis?
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post #61 of 71
3/31/05 at 8:02am
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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
when I said the computer (the G4) had 1.38GB..I purposely didn't include the .004 part..
I didn't use the calculator..
and your not following me aegis...
1GB+256=1.25GB. 1GB+512MB=1.51GB 1GB+128=1.12GB (of course I didn't add the .006 to the 256,the .002 to the 512 and .008 to the 128...)
DON'T USE THE CALCULATOR..just use the MegaByte description..
that's the problem aegis,your using the calculator...
DON'T USE IT!!

Run System Profiler you nub..
of course if your imac had 1GB+256MB you would have 1.25GB
are you done Aegis?

Ugh, I'm not using a calculator. It's basic kindergarten maths! Dividing 1024 by 128 doesn't require a calculator. Apart from that any programmer would know binary without thinking! Being an ex-ASM programmer it's engrained in my psyche.

I'm following you perfectly but you're totally wrong. Didn't you do decimal fractions at school? Never did binary maths either?

1GB+256MB = 1.25GB because 256MB is 0.25GB exactly, not 0.256GB

1GB+512MB is not 1.51GB, it's 1.5GB because 512MB is 0.5GB exactly.

1GB+128MB is not 1.12GB, it's 1.125 because 128MB is 0.125GB exactly. It's an eighth of a GB exactly. Apple would probably round it up to 1.3GB - I don't know as I don't have one and an eighth of a GB of RAM

Stop trying to use the decimal system to represent base 2 multiples and you'll be fine or stick to decimal and learn how to divide.
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post #62 of 71
3/31/05 at 8:07am
This is fascinating isn't it. Like teaching cows to spit. You know it's wrong but it's fun just the same.
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post #63 of 71
3/31/05 at 5:35pm
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
1GB+512MB is not 1.51GB, it's 1.5GB because 512MB is 0.5GB exactly.

You forgot that "it's the mac os x..so there is some automatically taken away,reserved for system resources, blah blah blah"...



Aegis, you're such a noob.
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post #64 of 71
4/1/05 at 2:03pm
LOL ..oops.. thanks for pointing that out..
so anyways according to the computer...( I removed the pc100 stick) I have 1.12GB of memory..back to the topic at hand..

I still can't believe people will buy a mac simply because they bought an ipod..
(coming soon, the translucent woman's "that time of the month" product...the iPad)
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post #65 of 71
4/1/05 at 2:23pm
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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
LOL ..oops.. thanks for pointing that out..
so anyways according to the computer...( I removed the pc100 stick) I have 1.12GB of memory..back to the topic at hand..

I still can't believe people will buy a mac simply because they bought an ipod..
(coming soon, the translucent woman's "that time of the month" product...the iPad)

Some people must be doing it or it wouldn't be reported.

By the way. 1 Gigabyte can be counted as EITHER 1,024 Megabytes, or 1,000 Megabytes. This has been an industry contraversy from long ago. When HD manufacturers started calling 1,000 Kilobytes a megabyte, they were assailed as being deceptive because they kept adding the "extra" 24Kilobytes in, as 40 Megabytes = 41 Megabytes. thats why we see drives that equal 4.1 Gigabytes, etc.

This argument is really pointless because it's really just about rounding.

The question is not whether 512MByte is one half of a Megabyte. Of course it is.

To get technical, a megabyte is considered to be 1,048,576 Bytes. That's because it's measured by the power of two.

does it matter?

NO
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post #66 of 71
4/2/05 at 8:13am
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Originally posted by melgross
Some people must be doing it or it wouldn't be reported.

By the way. 1 Gigabyte can be counted as EITHER 1,024 Megabytes, or 1,000 Megabytes.


Not with RAM, it's always 1024.

Could you imagine how un-optimal RAM in 1000 byte chunks would be!
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post #67 of 71
4/2/05 at 10:01am
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
Not with RAM, it's always 1024.

Could you imagine how un-optimal RAM in 1000 byte chunks would be!

That's why it's confusing. In theory it is1048+. But it doesn't matter.

If you have a Gig of RAM, who cares if it's another Meg or not?
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post #68 of 71
4/4/05 at 2:37am
your heading off topic.......

So what kind of ipod would you suggest for me?
I already use a Mac and a PC..so the staggering 20 percent doesn't apply to me.

Ipod mini..ghey
regular ipod....maybe
picture ipod..we have cameraphones for that..why bother?
ipod shuffle...again with the gheyness...and what's up with the no display? and your limited in capacity...but then again when you want to "upgrade" you just throw it away and buy a newer one.

Would one search ebay for the 1st generation ipod? you know,the ones with the buttons...
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post #69 of 71
4/4/05 at 12:24pm
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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
your heading off topic.......

So what kind of ipod would you suggest for me?
I already use a Mac and a PC..so the staggering 20 percent doesn't apply to me.

Ipod mini..ghey
regular ipod....maybe
picture ipod..we have cameraphones for that..why bother?
ipod shuffle...again with the gheyness...and what's up with the no display? and your limited in capacity...but then again when you want to "upgrade" you just throw it away and buy a newer one.

Would one search ebay for the 1st generation ipod? you know,the ones with the buttons...

What do you want to do with it?

If you have no goal in mind, then no one can suggest anything.

Perhaps you should go to Apple's site, and find out what they can do and go from there.

Here:http://www.apple.com/itunes/
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post #70 of 71
4/5/05 at 2:51am
sounds likes effort to me...plus I'm not a big fan of apple.
Heck I'll save some money and go with Creative or something..

"what do you want to do with it?" target practice?..I've heard rumors that some people use them for playing music...
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post #71 of 71
4/5/05 at 9:56am
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Originally posted by alaskanblacklab
sounds likes effort to me...plus I'm not a big fan of apple.
Heck I'll save some money and go with Creative or something..

"what do you want to do with it?" target practice?..I've heard rumors that some people use them for playing music...

Well yes, of course. But iPods do much more than the other players do. Other than not having a built-in FM tuner, which it seems that almost no one uses anyway. A lot of people like putting their calendars and contacts on them. If you don't have a Palm or Windows based phone, it's hard to get addresses etc. on them. Others use it to move large files from one computer to another. Others to put images from their Digicams when they run out of space, etc. People also do Podcasts. I've just read that 6 million people download them every day. There are also over 400 accessories, from cases to car integrators If none of that is of interest...

I'm not really sure why you asked. I seems as though you weren't interested anyway. Some of Creatives' are less expensive, but some are more.
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