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post #1 of 247
3/30/05 at 9:27pm
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Even the WSJ Editorial page has attacked DeLay in the last few days, and his ironclad support in the Republican block is dropping like a block of iron.
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post #2 of 247
3/31/05 at 7:09am
Good luck with the redneck assclowns in his district who want nothing more from him than to "piss off the liberals".
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post #3 of 247
3/31/05 at 9:23am
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Good luck with the redneck assclowns in his district who want nothing more from him than to "piss off the liberals".

He is not going down. Like g-rat, I know how people around here think.
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3/31/05 at 11:22am
It's pretty damn hard to get voted out if you're a member of the House. Especially one as powerful and senior as DeLay. Most districts are pretty safe for one party or the other and even if they aren't the incumbent usually has the prestige and bling bling to carry the day.

Only way DeLay will ever lose is if he messes up and votes the wrong way on something on which the GOP factions don't agree. Then the voters might jump to a newbie Republican type in the primary. Not sure what the issue would be though. Something on which the Corporate Greed wing is not in unison with the Southern Baptist Fascist wing.
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post #5 of 247
3/31/05 at 11:56am
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Something on which the Corporate Greed wing is not in unison with the Southern Baptist Fascist wing.

Exactly, so DeLay is there as long as he wants to be.

The Republicans might see him as a liability and reduce his importance within the party. But his seat is 100% assured.
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3/31/05 at 12:20pm
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Only way DeLay will ever lose is if he messes up and votes the wrong way on something on which the GOP factions don't agree.

or if he pulls a "trent lott"*

(*i.e. something so embarrassing that no amount of spin can get you out of it... though it's surprising how much i still see trent lott on t.v., even after putatively "stepping down.")
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post #7 of 247
3/31/05 at 1:00pm
Nothing would have happened to Lott if Bush hadn't been looking to dump him for Frist or someone the Shrub liked better anyway. I guess DeLay could also piss off Bush, that might do it for the next three years at least but I won't hold my breath waiting for it. And even then, he would only lose his leadership position like Lott and not his actual seat.

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Exactly, so DeLay is there as long as he wants to be.

Well, if we can get Falwell, Robertson, Reed etc to propose a 10% tax on corporate profits for govt "faith based" education programs that might do the trick. Or even better, a corporate tax to fund faith based educational outreach programs in Iraq and Afghanistan. We use to call them missions but why haggle over semantics? Of course, the big money would buy Congress' vetoes and the layman rednecks just might rebel.

Alternatively, we could find a DeLay look a like and make a grainy gay porn video and release it on the web.
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3/31/05 at 1:05pm
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Something on which the Corporate Greed wing is not in unison with the Southern Baptist Fascist wing.

Is that the Fascist wing of the Southern Baptist Convention, or the Southern Baptist Fascist wing of the Conservative Party? Your words here are EXTREMELY inappropriate, and I'm not even a Southern Baptist. You may hate all conservatives, but to say that conservative Christians are Fascists (if that is in fact what you are trying to say) is both intellectually dishonest, and exceptionally stupid - and I think you know it.

Learn to behave.
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3/31/05 at 2:02pm
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Is that the Fascist wing of the Southern Baptist Convention, or the Southern Baptist Fascist wing of the Conservative Party?

The subset of humanity consisting of people about whom it can be said that they:

1)Are Voters in Delay's district
2)Are Republican
3)Are members of the SBC
4)Subscribe to a "fascist" brand of politics driven by "Christianity"
5)Are primarily ideologically drive by their conservative Christian politics.

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Your words here are EXTREMELY inappropriate, and I'm not even a Southern Baptist.

Inflammatory I suppose. Inappropriate? I'd say not, not for this forum. But then again, I guess if you are gonna be one of the arbiters of Inappropriate then we can call at as much by your designation of it as such.

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You may hate all conservatives,

Not particularly.

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but to say that conservative Christians are Fascists (if that is in fact what you are trying to say) is both intellectually dishonest, and exceptionally stupid - and I think you know it.

That's not in fact what I said, as I'm sure you are likewise bright enough to figure out. Some Christian are of that ilk, some aren't. I'm sure you know that describing them as fascists was obviously over the top as well which is after all at the root of your argument that it was inappropriate.

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Learn to behave.

Egads. You'll get better at the whole moderating thing, don't worry. But point taken as it relates to the post in question as it was certainly pejoratively phrased.
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post #10 of 247
3/31/05 at 2:08pm
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Originally posted by ColanderOfDeath
The subset of humanity consisting of people about whom it can be said that they:

1)Are Voters in Delay's district
2)Are Republican
3)Are members of the SBC
4)Subscribe to a "fascist" brand of politics driven by "Christianity"
5)Are primarily ideologically drive by their conservative Christian politics.

I guess my arguement would be that #4 is where your characterization breaks down, as it implies that those who subscribe to a "fascist" brand of politics do so as a result of being driven by "Christianity."

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Inflammatory I suppose. Inappropriate? I'd say not, not for this forum. But then again, I guess if you are gonna be one of the arbiters of Inappropriate then we can call at as much by your designation of it as such.

I guess I'm trying to say that if one wishes to have real conversation about issues, it is counter-productive to use derogitory rhetoric such as that above.

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That's not in fact what I said, as I'm sure you are likewise bright enough to figure out. Some Christian are of that ilk, some aren't. I'm sure you know that describing them as fascists was obviously over the top as well which is after all at the root of your argument that it was inappropriate.

If in fact, I was wrong, I was wrong.. I apologize


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Egads. You'll get better at the whole moderating thing, don't worry. But point taken as it relates to the post in question as it was certainly pejoratively phrased.

I think I'm doing okay, but thanks for the encouragement
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post #11 of 247
3/31/05 at 4:15pm
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(*i.e. something so embarrassing that no amount of spin can get you out of it... though it's surprising how much i still see trent lott on t.v., even after putatively "stepping down.")

With today's Reps, I honestly can't think of ANYTHING they couldn't spin their ways out of.
With the media kissing their arses. With the radio and blogs spinmeisters. With the payolas. With the pre-fab news/spinmentaries.

Delay is going nowhere. Maybe he will slowly get "phased out" of his position of power. Maybe. But like others have said, it will be subtle, and he'll come out looking like a hero.
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post #12 of 247
3/31/05 at 4:30pm
I haven't read the posts, but this thread doesn't have anything to do with a cell phone and some inopportune video, does it?

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post #13 of 247
3/31/05 at 5:00pm
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I haven't read the posts, but this thread doesn't have anything to do with a cell phone and some inopportune video, does it?

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Alternatively, we could find a DeLay look a like and make a grainy gay porn video and release it on the web.

I'm sure the Liberal Dirty Tricks Squad is already "hard" at work on this.
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post #14 of 247
3/31/05 at 5:13pm
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or if he pulls a "trent lott"*

(*i.e. something so embarrassing that no amount of spin can get you out of it... though it's surprising how much i still see trent lott on t.v., even after putatively "stepping down.")

*i.e. a stupid comment he made at an old man's birthday party, blown out of proportion, a comment that had a guilty white liberal said it, it would have been totally ignored. Example: Howard Dean's comment about blacks in the Republican party.

As for DeLay, I don't think he's going down. I think you're just going to see his role diminish, so it seems we agree on that along with goverat.
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post #15 of 247
3/31/05 at 6:02pm
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I'm sure the Liberal Dirty Tricks Squad is already "hard" at work on this.

Last I heard, they were "circulating flyers" to promote the video. It's coming out in "grainish green".
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post #16 of 247
4/1/05 at 10:21am
Wow. I guess they though grove was too liberal and had to balance it out.

Hey OBJRA10 we know you are all in the KKK south of the mason dixon line. It's cool. We're all gay up here.

DeLay won't be voted out. He should be arrested. He broke the law. Hopefully he will be convicted because he is obviously liable. However we know this will never happen. Fucking politicians. And I want to be one of them eventually.
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post #17 of 247
4/1/05 at 12:41pm
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Wow. I guess they though grove was too liberal and had to balance it out.

Hey OBJRA10 we know you are all in the KKK south of the mason dixon line. It's cool. We're all gay up here.

DeLay won't be voted out. He should be arrested. He broke the law. Hopefully he will be convicted because he is obviously liable. However we know this will never happen. Fucking politicians. And I want to be one of them eventually.

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post #18 of 247
4/11/05 at 4:43pm
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Even Delay's Republican colleagues are starting to agree with the premise of this thread. It's only a matter of time.

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In public, most Republicans say that what's driving the criticism of the House majority leader is politics, not ethics. The Democratic "hit machine" is pouring millions into a campaign to oust the most powerful Republican in Congress. But the real target is the Republican majority and its agenda.

But in private, some senior leaders are saying it's only a matter of time before the most powerful Republican in Congress is forced from office. "Democrats should save their money. Why murder someone who is committing suicide?" said a senior GOP lawmaker, on condition of anonymity.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0412/p02s01-uspo.html
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post #19 of 247
4/11/05 at 6:14pm
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Even Delay's Republican colleagues are starting to agree with the premise of this thread. It's only a matter of time.


http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0412/p02s01-uspo.html

NO! Delay should remain the public face of the Republican party. As he would have it, he is the party, and disloyalty to him is disloyalty to the party.

I urge my republican friends and relations to rally around this embattled titan.

Blame the liberal media and the vast left wing conspiracy for each revelation of another crooked connection in Tom's byzantine empire. Tie yourselves to his mast.

Please.
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post #20 of 247
4/11/05 at 7:35pm
I say he should step down and end this feeding frenzy. He is now a liability to the functioning of the Congress.

Let's get back to solving problems, rather than pointing fingers.
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post #21 of 247
4/11/05 at 7:37pm
Groverat has to be about 25 by now. And he lives not that far from there. Maybe it is time for the grover to move to DeLay's district and start building up the war chest for 06.
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post #22 of 247
4/11/05 at 7:39pm
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I say he should step down and end this feeding frenzy. He is now a liability to the functioning of the Congress.

Let's get back to solving problems, rather than pointing fingers.

Nonsense. If he steps down now, the braying liberal pack of hounds will have won.

No, he should stand tall and do whatever it takes to remain firmly entrenched. His honor demands nothing less.
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post #23 of 247
4/12/05 at 12:09am
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No, he should stand tall and do whatever it takes to remain firmly entrenched. His honor demands nothing less.

Back against the wall, he'll crap himself if he must! Stand strong!
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post #24 of 247
4/12/05 at 5:15am
First off OBJRA10 does a very professional job moderating this forum and I for one see this.

COD I think you only hurt the discussion of this thread when you lump group with group in negative terms. Let me give you an example which may serve to show you just how you come across.

You rail against republicans, SBC, Christianity etc.

Some on the "other side" may rail against Demorats, Secularists, Gays etc.

If they were to post as this:

"Those wimp liberal democrat scum bend over for anything the gays, lesbians and tree hugger communists want."

Would that inspire thoughtful discussion? I suggest it does not.

The methods in which you compose some of your posts above are no more thought inspiring nor discussion-worthy.

It is ok to have your opinion but please find creative ways to communicate in ways which are compelling not ranting and name-calling.

I am no mod but I just wanted to pass this along as it seems to me you may not see how badly you come across in some of your above posts RE: SBC and Christians.

It is no more enjoyable to read than reading some conservative ranting about gays, lesbians and "tree hugger" communists.

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post #25 of 247
4/12/05 at 9:09am
Fellowship, I'm not going to reopen a little tiff that happened two weeks ago and had passed into history very quickly. No biggie. If you like I will respond to your post in a PM but in the further interest of not derailing the thread I left it at that at the time and will do so now as well. Just to move back on topic...

If DeLay goes away, it will be by retaining his seat but getting dumped by GOP leadership and not for any unrest of his ethics. Rather it will be because the fight over his status is a distraction from what the GOP wants to move on legislatively and if they sense that his problems are becoming detrimental to the perception of their party in general as 11/06 gets much closer.

Even if Morrison polled 41% last time which is not bad at actually for a House race against someone as big time as DeLay, he still would have to convert 1/6th of DeLay's 59% support into voting for a democrat which I just do not see happening in order to beat him outright. Past that, I don't see how DeLay loses a primary either. His time as a meaningful player in the House leadership may be limited though and a few months ago it would have seemed that he would still retain that so we shall see.
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post #26 of 247
4/12/05 at 9:12am
Just to pile on the point so it is driven home to those who may not have caught on yet... Delay is not going to lose to a Democrat. It is not going to happen. He could come out as a homosexual Nazi and he would still be more attractive to his constituents than Jesus Christ The Lamb Of God running under the Democrat ticket.
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4/12/05 at 9:27am
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He could come out as a homosexual Nazi and he would still be more attractive to his constituents than Jesus Christ The Lamb Of God running under the Democrat ticket.




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4/12/05 at 9:59am
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Just to pile on the point so it is driven home to those who may not have caught on yet... Delay is not going to lose to a Democrat. It is not going to happen. He could come out as a homosexual Nazi and he would still be more attractive to his constituents than Jesus Christ The Lamb Of God running under the Democrat ticket.

Do you see this as being any different in other Republican or Democratic districts?

Do you seriously think Barney Frank or say Maxine Waters could some how get voted out of their seat?

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4/12/05 at 10:58am
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Do you see this as being any different in other Republican or Democratic districts?

Not really, but there are shades of grey.

This shade of grey is pitch black.
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4/12/05 at 2:40pm
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Not really, but there are shades of grey.

This shade of grey is pitch black.

Agreed, but if that is the case apply some of the venom towards district gerrymandering and not just the people in that district who want to express their views.

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4/13/05 at 7:27am
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Agreed, but if that is the case apply some of the venom towards district gerrymandering and not just the people in that district who want to express their views.

What on earth are you talking about?
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4/13/05 at 7:57am
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Do you see this as being any different in other Republican or Democratic districts?

Do you seriously think Barney Frank or say Maxine Waters could some how get voted out of their seat?

Nick

No. Because "the party line" has replaced good ideas and progressive thinking.

The recent and ongoing ABB or ABR bent of the democratic party makes them the world champions of the party line group-think right now.

Don't get me wrong, I see it on both sides, but you center-lefts have made it an art-form.
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4/13/05 at 9:24pm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ac-fined_x.htm

"WASHINGTON (AP) A fund-raising committee run by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi was fined $21,000 for improperly accepting donations over federal limits, according to records and interviews."

I vaguely remember this story from a couple of months back.

With the Delay feeding frenzy, this incident and the following, ho-hum seems to me to be hypocrisy.

Am I wrong, and how so?
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4/13/05 at 9:30pm
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ac-fined_x.htm

"WASHINGTON (AP) A fund-raising committee run by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi was fined $21,000 for improperly accepting donations over federal limits, according to records and interviews."

I vaguely remember this story from a couple of months back.

With the Delay feeding frenzy, this incident and the following, ho-hum seems to me to be hypocrisy.

Am I wrong, and how so?

You know what ... I had your last thread re-opened from its lock with high hopes but, hell, I was wrong. This thread will lead nowhere, too.

There's a current thread entitled "DeLay's going DOWN." Please, instead of starting another thread on what appear to be completely related subjects, add to that thread.

<edit> I have merged the threads, after some consideration. </edit>
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4/22/05 at 1:28pm
http://washingtontimes.com/national/...5645-8030r.htm

I'm afraid the dems have opened the bag and will have to live up to the same standards as they supposedly uphold.

"The Washington Times reported earlier this week that Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Ohio Democrat and member of the House ethics committee, listed a registered lobbyist as the trip's sponsor. House rules prohibit registered lobbyists from paying for travel by members.

On travel disclosure forms filed with the House clerk, Mrs. Pelosi and others on the trip listed a group called Todo Puerto Rico con Vieques as its sponsor.

After the discrepancy was made public, Mrs. Jones amended her travel disclosure form to match those of Mrs. Pelosi and other travelers. A spokeswoman in Mrs. Jones' office blamed the conflicting information on "human error" but declined to provide proof that the trip was paid for by Todo Puerto Rico con Vieques, rather than D.C. lobbyist Smith, Dawson & Andrews."
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4/22/05 at 2:47pm
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Good luck with the redneck assclowns in his district who want nothing more from him than to "piss off the liberals".

EXCUSE ME!!!!!

May I please quote fran441 your fellow moderator:

"We realize that the topics posted here can become very heated and that both sides of the political spectrum can feel emotionally tied to the issues being discussed. That being said, we really need people to stop mindlessly bashing each other. Calling someone an 'idiot' or worse does not help the conversations or debates"

groverrat this crap! Because you are moderator rules to AI do not apply to you. If this is what they consider a quality "Global Moderator" then AI has lowered the bar. I have seen some of your past comments and I am amazed that this has been allowed to continue.

Just my personal "assclown" 2cents.
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4/22/05 at 3:01pm
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Just to pile on the point so it is driven home to those who may not have caught on yet... Delay is not going to lose to a Democrat. It is not going to happen. He could come out as a homosexual Nazi and he would still be more attractive to his constituents than Jesus Christ The Lamb Of God running under the Democrat ticket.

You are down right insulting! I can not believe that these type of posting are being allowed. FROM A GLOBAL MODERATOR. Something needs to done with groverrat. This is completly unaceptable! I believe everone should be allowed to speak there mind and there openion but this borders on tastless insults.
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4/22/05 at 3:43pm
And everyone should learn the difference between "there" and "their" too.
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4/22/05 at 4:41pm
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You are down right insulting! I can not believe that these type of posting are being allowed. FROM A GLOBAL MODERATOR. Something needs to done with groverrat. This is completly unaceptable! I believe everone should be allowed to speak there mind and there openion but this borders on tastless insults.

Who did he insult? His gay-bashing "assclowns" term earlier was a bit offensive, but I couldn't see much wrong with the post you objected to.

BTW - The republians are not facists, it is true, but they share some facist traits. The problem is that the term 'facist' has been mixed up with the horrors of the Nazi party (which was facism + evil ethnic/gay murders).
Facists are people that like business and strong federal government, which matches the Republicans quite well.

From Wikipedia:

The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that

* exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual
Republicans: nation (yes) race (no)

* uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition
republicans: I'd say so

* engages in severe economic and social regimentation
Republicans: no

* engages in corporatism [1] (http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId=219369)
Republicans: yes

* implements totalitarianism
Republicans: mixed record
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4/23/05 at 5:26pm
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And everyone should learn the difference between "there" and "their" too.

Thank you for pointing out a simple mistake, which I am sure you are flawless. Condescending people are the reason there is so much anger in this world. So did I spell everything right for you?
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