Just because he's trying to get a rise out of you doesn't mean you should let him succeed.
Now give me a hug, silly boots!
So, you don't care that we needed the then rebels to help defeat the USSR on that front?
I think the idea was almost acceptable but it obviously was not handled well.
You don't care that the Taliban were not considered "dictators" or at least dictator-like until long after the US was funding them as allies?
We were funding them up to 2000 at least.
You don't care that we spend 100's of millions on the fight against illegal drugs all over the globe, not just Afghanistan?
Not really, no. Especially not now that Afghanistan could
be under our control and the drugs are skyrocketing.
You are going to actually stick with your stance even though you are WAY wrong?
How am I wrong?
I said we supported them and we did. If they were manipulating us then that makes it even worse.
Let's see... basically you are saying "Dictatorships are bad when the US supports them, but you gotta admire the way they run their stable countries."
I didn't say anything like "you gotta admire the way they run their stable countries."
I said that dictators can run stable countries, because it's true. They can. Saudi Arabia is pretty damned stable. NK is pretty damned stable. For a while, Nazi Germany was really stable.
So the fact that I assume that you don't see them as all bad, in not a stretch.
It's a huge stretch, and a transparent device you're using to avoid the fact that you cannot argue with the vast majority of my arguments.
We supported the precessors of the Taliban, the mujahideen, because the greater enemy at the time was the Soviet Union.
We supported them after they took over Afghanistan and became horrible human rights abusers. And destroyed the Bamiyan Buddha.
I don't really understand what you mean by that. I was talking about lack of real leadership on the Palestinian side. In looking at my comment again, that may not have been clear.
No, I understood your comment 100%. You're putting the entire onus on the Palestinian side, which is the whole problem.
Hold on, you're the one saying we need to stop supporting these regimes and apologize for various wrongs. Does it then follow that we should take our time doing it?
You misunderstood. My "timetable" comment was meant on how soon one would expect natural democratic reform within each nation. As in, "Who are we to decide that a nation isn't moving 'fast enough' so we need to punish them with war or sanction?"
You have to be kidding. It would serve no point whatsoever. Those who hate America are going to listen to an apology. It would be mocked and taken as a sign of weakness.
Those who are ashamed of American activities would be heartened by such honesty. I know that because I am one of them. If Bush came out and apologized for the ouster of Mossadegh and installation of the Shah I would be extremely impressed.
Your logic mirrors a dictator's logic when arguing against democratic reform. It is prideful logic. It is un-Christian.
Besides, as I've already argued, you can't just ignore the historical context of those "wrongs". Iran was far worse than Iraq was when we supported them. Like it or not, we need the Saudis right now and they are making some progress on rights issues.
If we are going to behave that way, with moral equivocation, then we don't have any right to claim to be the champions of freedom and human rights. We are merely players in a dirty game and we happen to have the biggest guns.