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post #41 of 76
umm, I'm running OS X on an iMac at 1024x768... looks fine to me
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JYD always goes with the popular vote. If it has become obvious that something positive is going to happen he will second the motion ( I found this out last January ) but, if things start sounding like the negative he panics and starts bad mouthing apple. Pretty strange huh?

Junkyard, focus for a second this stuff is coming from another web site not from Apple! MWSF hasn't happened yet!

Just like last year I think things are going to be looking up next monday. No, I don't have any special powers ( or drunk Apple employee friends ) I just watch things and colate the information. Be logical junky. Apple wouldn't be hyping this themselves if they had nothing. The resulting bad PR wouldn't go away for a long time ( long enough to be damaging ).

I don't think Steve wants another MW like the last one and hyping it when you know you have nothing is a sure way to make that happen. Here's to many new things on Monday ( what they are we will have to wait and see ).

PS. One more thing.......the digital something what ever it is won't be enough to match the hype ( and they have got to know this ) so there has to be some big product changes or I can hear the groans from the crowd already. You don't talk for two hours about one thing and a stale product line.

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post #43 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by psantora:
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mine is fine for 1024x768.... Or maybe im just used to it...

-Paul</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mine too! Who has and uses a slot loading iMac at 1024x768 and believes the display is crappy?

Bigger doesn't do any good unless there is a HIGHER RESOLUTION. So I say again, why bother with a 1024x768 LCD (which is the current resolution for Apple's 15" LCD). I PREDICT: iMac's will have a widescreen, with something like 1280x768. Those of you who want bigger screens really mean you want higher resolution. The new iMac's need to have a higher resolution than today's (and I believe they will).
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post #44 of 76
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[quote]Originally posted by jwdawso:
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Mine too! Who has and uses a slot loading iMac at 1024x768 and believes the display is crappy?

Bigger doesn't do any good unless there is a HIGHER RESOLUTION. So I say again, why bother with a 1024x768 LCD (which is the current resolution for Apple's 15" LCD). I PREDICT: iMac's will have a widescreen, with something like 1280x768. Those of you who want bigger screens really mean you want higher resolution. The new iMac's need to have a higher resolution than today's (and I believe they will).</strong><hr></blockquote>


why bother?

1.) bigger viewing area. 13.8 inch is a joke.
2.) brighter display
3.) sharper display
4.) better contrast ratio
5.) no flicker/easier on the eyes
6.) smaller footprint
post #45 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>As for the hype comment...think about it. The less Apple has to hype, the more they NEED to hype. A G5 hypes itself...but a 100 MHz speedbumped G4 needs hype.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The problem with this thinking is that you forget about the fallout .

Jobs' knows very well he'd be castrated by investors and users if he hyped something this much and had nothing. In fact, he'd stand more to lose if he did this.
Mac loyalist would never again take his word and may just jump ship.

No, me thinks the big show will reveal something somewhere between what these rumour boards are saying (which some border on ludicrous) and what Jobs' truly believes is revolutionary (which may not be that at all).
post #46 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong>There was a good post by Amorph in a different thread about how the hype isn't about chip speed, like everyone here thinks. It's about digital hub and software-hardware integration, like iTunes-iPod.

We all know that Apple's biggest limitation right now is their price-performance. So that's what we want to change. But Apple is limited by others in that respect. When the G5 is ready, they'll release it as fast as they possibly can. But in the meantime, Jobs sees Apple's uniqueness in their ability to create a total hardware-software solution.

What we know is that there will be a beautiful new iMac at about 700-800 Mhz, faster PowerMacs maybe even with a dual 1Ghz, and perhaps even speed bumps to some laptops.

But is that all? It could be, but probably not.

My guess is that the iMac will do something special. The only thing I can think of is some type of digital hub connection with home entertainment devices. Here are some guesses:

1. It could have some of the features of <a href="http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/mx/index.shtml" target="_blank">that Sony Vaio MX</a> we were talking about a few weeks ago.
2. It could have the ability to link to third-party entertainment appliances like stereo equipment or TVs.
3. It could be another iPod-like device that uses some iTunes-like software to integrate with the Mac. Example: an Apple digital camera or camcorder specially made to link with Apple software like iPhoto, iMovie, and iDVD.
4. Rather than a portable Apple device, it could be some appliance-like Apple device, like a DVD player/recorder that works seamlessly with bundled Apple software on the iMac.
4. It could be iPhoto software designed to work with third-party cameras, rather than an Apple camera.
5. It may have something to do with the new MPEG-4 standard and QuickTime. A TiVO-like PVR that compresses better with MPEG-4?

Just some hypotheses. Any other possibilities along these lines?</strong><hr></blockquote>

1. A nice baby step would be front accessible Firewire Ports (either on the front or the side next to the front where you can find them without craning your neck or turning the unit. Firewire seems to be connection method Apple is going for with its digital lifestyle devices, which is very nice (speed, power through the bus, etc) but it's a pain in the hindquarters to play "fumble for the firewire port"
2. I am fairly nonplussed as how any of these options are worthy of the hype Apple has been dishing. To be worthy of "it's like a backstage pass to the future" the new products from Apple would need to be able to significantly improve the digital device-human interaction or be dramatically ahead of their time in features/capabilities (A 1.5 Ghz G5 that runs neck and neck with the 2 Ghz P4 while it is a very nice thing is not "the future", a system that runs at the speed Wintel is hoping to achieve 1-2 years from now is perhaps "the future").
What I would consider to be "the future" would be a much faster/more capable unit that uses its new "horsepower" to make it possible for me to interact with the computer in a much more refined way to get my work done and manage my life. "The future" is not a Mac that takes 1.9 seconds to scroll through a Word document instead of 2.5, it is a device that transcends our expectations for what a digital device can do to make our lives better. This takes more megahertz, RAM, etc, but that is really the easy part. Envisioning and creating the new paradigm-busting solutions is the hard part, and as witnessed by Apple's history does not guarantee profits for the innovator.

That is the future, Mr Jobs, and I hope you are able to deliver what you have promised. I have my doubts if today's Apple is anything more than a Macintosh box builder that has delusions of beating Sony in building gadgets. Still, I hope that the Pirate flag is still flying somewhere at one infinite loop.
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post #47 of 76
I Just hope apple doesn't make TOO much of a thing about passing 1 Ghz. After banging on about the megahertz myth for them to say "1Ghz.. how impressive is that? " would just make them a laughing stock. Any kind of Ghz coming out party would just make apple look like they sucked. which they don't.
post #48 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Right. And 800x600 is not really acceptable anymore for anyone that wants to use a web page. XGA is the minimum for that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

On my iMac I always thought that 1024x768 was the best but overall I got tired looking at that CRT after a while.

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post #49 of 76
On my Bondi iMac I keep the resolution at 1024x768, mostly because I do a lot of web design, and anything less than that in OS X looks like sh!t (I never tire of looking at this screen, some say the Bondi's display was the best iMac display and it's all downhill from there). But if Apple is going to release a new LCD iMac, my hope is that they will increase the resolution significantly, because OS X needs it bad.
post #50 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by jwdawso:
<strong>Who has and uses a slot loading iMac at 1024x768 and believes the display is crappy?</strong><hr></blockquote>I do, and I believe it is crappy. If you think it's great, your standards are too low. 75hz is objectively crappy. I agree with the other stuff you said about resolution, but too small is a problem. I stare at computer screen text just about all day every day, and size does matter, not just resolution.
post #51 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong>I do, and I believe it is crappy. If you think it's great, your standards are too low. 75hz is objectively crappy. I agree with the other stuff you said about resolution, but too small is a problem. I stare at computer screen text just about all day every day, and size does matter, not just resolution.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I used to have an imac and I have a bunch of them at school. I don't mind 1024x768, I actually can't stand 800x600. Course, then again I have a 17" with 1600x1200/75hz and it doesn't bother me so....
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post #52 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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why bother?

1.) bigger viewing area. 13.8 inch is a joke.
2.) brighter display
3.) sharper display
4.) better contrast ratio
5.) no flicker/easier on the eyes
6.) smaller footprint</strong><hr></blockquote>

Applenut has a point (whats your real name by the way, it is so weird to call people applenut and other weird handles around here...)

Eventhough it would be nice to see a bigger res. screen like the TiBook's 1152x768 or just 1152x870 for more room on the screen, the overall plusses that applenut has laid out above (plus the power and heat savings) would be good enough for me.
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post #54 of 76
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[quote]Originally posted by psantora:
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Applenut has a point (whats your real name by the way, it is so weird to call people applenut and other weird handles around here...)

Eventhough it would be nice to see a bigger res. screen like the TiBook's 1152x768 or just 1152x870 for more room on the screen, the overall plusses that applenut has laid out above (plus the power and heat savings) would be good enough for me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

name is Eric if you must know

agree that the res should be bumped up a bit though. I think it would make sent to make both the Powerbook and iMac the same DPI as the current iBook which is quite good
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[quote]Originally posted by Macintosh:
<strong>My real name is Chris, if that helps you be comfortable? <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

It just makes things easyer, I mean how many people have Mac or Apple in their names? Isnt it enough that you are on a website for the rumors about a company? How crazy do you need to get? You are still you! With so many people being similarly named, it can be hard to differenticate sometimes. Unless of course you talk in verse or ebonics like some other people on this board <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

anyways, back on topic, what were we talking about again?

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post #56 of 76
In case you didn't already know, my name's Eric.
post #57 of 76
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psantora,

I have a feeling you'll get to know me over time

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post #58 of 76
Eric from the bronx? High-pitched Eric!? w00t!
post #59 of 76
All you who say you "like" the iMac CRT obviously don't know what's out there now.

Fact: The iMac CRT is the worst on the market right now from any major computer manufacturer.

Just because you think it's fine, doesn't mean Apple can't do MUCH better. Even if Apple sticks with a CRT for the low-end iMacs, Apple has no excuse for not using a flat screen aperture-grille display like the Sony or Mitsubishi.
post #60 of 76
Just because Apple can do better doesn't mean the CRT iMac sucks.
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post #61 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by BobtheTomato:
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1. A nice baby step would be front accessible Firewire Ports (either on the front or the side next to the front where you can find them without craning your neck or turning the unit. Firewire seems to be connection method Apple is going for with its digital lifestyle devices, which is very nice (speed, power through the bus, etc) but it's a pain in the hindquarters to play "fumble for the firewire port.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've heard this complaint before, but I don't understand it. Why can't you just leave a firewire cable plugged into the firewire ports and plug that into various devices (there aren't any devices I can think of that have the firewire cable permenantly attached). No fumbling necessary.
post #62 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by icruise:
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I've heard this complaint before, but I don't understand it. Why can't you just leave a firewire cable plugged into the firewire ports and plug that into various devices (there aren't any devices I can think of that have the firewire cable permenantly attached). No fumbling necessary.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just a cable flopping around on the desk in the way, not to mention when you take your iThingy to grandma's house and plug it in to her iMac I bet she wasn't so thoughtful as to have pre-strung a firewire cable for you
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post #63 of 76
But front mounted ports means that you will have wires sprawling out over your desk. I don't know, but people had this complaint about the cube (which admittedly had an...interesting design with regard to the placement of its ports) but if you just leave cable plugged in and out of the way there is no problem.

Maybe side-mounted ports as are on the current imacs is a good compromise.
post #64 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by icruise:
<strong>But front mounted ports means that you will have wires sprawling out over your desk. I don't know, but people had this complaint about the cube (which admittedly had an...interesting design with regard to the placement of its ports) but if you just leave cable plugged in and out of the way there is no problem.

Maybe side-mounted ports as are on the current imacs is a good compromise.</strong><hr></blockquote>

As long as they're easily accessible (ie not in a well near the back) that'd be great, look cool with easy access.
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post #65 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>Just because Apple can do better doesn't mean the CRT iMac sucks.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, but just because it is the worst currently on the market does. One might argue that the 604e doesn't suck, but if Apple used it in a current Mac it would.
post #66 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by tonton:
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No, but just because it is the worst currently on the market does. One might argue that the 604e doesn't suck, but if Apple used it in a current Mac it would.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, unfortunately I disagree. My wife has one and my dad has one and they have no complaints. if you are looking for more then maybe the iMac does suck.

Following your "compared to market" theory, the entire mac line sucks.
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post #67 of 76
I never could stand my iMacs at 800x600. I was quite happy with 1024x768.

One thing, as the owner of 3 different iMacs, I have noticed with the CRTs that it's a bit of a crap shoot what kind of quality you are going to get. I had one 600 MHz iMac with a GREAT display. Totally straight horizontal lines, just a gem to look at. I also had one that had some pretty wicked horizontal bowing, especially in the corners.

That's one reason I'm going to love my new LCD iMac.
post #68 of 76
i personally have developed a twitch from looking at 1024 on my imac, i love the way it looks in x and x is all that i use. but the flicker drives me mad, and my left has a twitch now. and you know what eric its all your fault. you got me addicted to this board, well you and fran back in the mercury rising thread. did i mention that i have a twitch now from reading too long at 1024. javascript: x()
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post #69 of 76
[quote] JYD always goes with the popular vote. If it has become obvious that something positive is going to happen he will second the motion ( I found this out last January ) but, if things start sounding like the negative he panics and starts bad mouthing apple. Pretty strange huh?
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What's even more strange is that you're so obsessed with me.

And obviously, if something is clearly going to happen, I'm going to to believe it.

We'll see who's right soon...me and my 1 GHz Powermac or you and your 1.4 GHz dual G5 thunder of the Gawds Ultra-Mac.

LOL...Apple will be stuck at 1/2 the MHz of Wintels for an eternity.
post #70 of 76
[quote]Jobs' knows very well he'd be castrated by investors and users if he hyped something this much and had nothing. In fact, he'd stand more to lose if he did this.
Mac loyalist would never again take his word and may just jump ship.
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This didn't stop him from releasing a ridiculously overpriced cube. From day one every rational motherfu[ker at these boards knew the cube was doomed to failure, that it was a bad product.

And yes, Jobs would hype this just because Apple is breaking the 1 GHz barrier. To Jobs this is a big deal. He doesn't "get it" that it would make Apple look like a company full of jackasses to have a GHz party several years after Wintels hit 1 GHz. Jobs is going to make Apple look like a lot of losers in a few days.

I bet the hype is centered around some lame-ass digital device. Some gee-whiz hand-held that nobody needs, that's overpriced, and that is designed to draw attention away from the crapola Apple ships as POWERmacs. Jobs will just hand-pick his Photoshop filters as usual and have another rigged bake-off.
post #71 of 76
Well, I was just rereading the Think Secret article, when I realized that Nick DePlume is an incoherent idiot. My case in point:

"Speed-bumped iMacs. The current iMac in its original design will not die that quickly. We will see speed-bumped iMacs at new price points to make the flat-panel iMac more attractive. Look for new colors."

WTF? How in hell would a speed-bumped CRT iMac at a lower price than current make the LCD at $1800 more attractive? Has logic disappeared from the MacWeb of late? Damn, I feel like Obvious Man sometimes.
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post #72 of 76
Hehehehe, it would make the LCD iMac more attractive if they bumped the prices UP on the CRT iMacs!

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[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
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This didn't stop him from releasing a ridiculously overpriced cube. From day one every rational motherfu[ker at these boards knew the cube was doomed to failure, that it was a bad product.

And yes, Jobs would hype this just because Apple is breaking the 1 GHz barrier. To Jobs this is a big deal. He doesn't "get it" that it would make Apple look like a company full of jackasses to have a GHz party several years after Wintels hit 1 GHz. Jobs is going to make Apple look like a lot of losers in a few days.

I bet the hype is centered around some lame-ass digital device. Some gee-whiz hand-held that nobody needs, that's overpriced, and that is designed to draw attention away from the crapola Apple ships as POWERmacs. Jobs will just hand-pick his Photoshop filters as usual and have another rigged bake-off.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I dunno.

I think Jobs learns from his mistakes. He's tried a cube a couple of times (including NeXT), and he's slowly learning his lesson (bang head. ouch. bang head. ouch... or any Homerian anecdote will suffice). The cube was a cool computer (see: design awards). It was just over-priced.

He also admitted to screwing up with the CD-RWs thing.

Of course, this doesn't mean that he can fix the problem instantly.

I do agree that the hype is about a new digital device. However, we should just relax for a while, and see what Apple has up its sleeve. It's already a wild ride, and we still have 3 days to go. The boards have gone from UP to DOWN to HUH? It's like Willy Wonka in here.
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post #74 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>Just because Apple can do better doesn't mean the CRT iMac sucks.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're right, but compare the quality of it to most CRTs out now, and you'll see that it does suck.
post #75 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
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This didn't stop him from releasing a ridiculously overpriced cube. From day one every rational motherfu[ker at these boards knew the cube was doomed to failure, that it was a bad product.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

I can't agree with this, the cube was a beatiful product, the engineering was outstanding, the design remarkable. The fault with the cube was in thinking that it was a mass market item. It sold well, but not at the levels that Apple was expecting. The price was not unreasonable for the engineering, and I personally would pay quite a bit extra to have a silent computer, just at the time, I had no spare money.

If someone like Linn (Audio products) were to design a nice new, say compact CD/DVD, player, priced at $5000 (not much by their standards) and sold 1000 of them, would this be a success or a failure? It depends on how many they were expecting to sell.

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post #76 of 76
Junky,

I'm not obsessed with you, nor am I the only one that finds your extreme reversals of opinion on the the same subject odd. I don't know what's coming but whatever it is the next day people will still buy Macs and business will continue like usual.
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