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Apple Computer has recently completed the development of two new hardware projects that are expected to be released in the coming weeks or months, AppleInsider has learned.

Although specific details remain shrouded in mystery, sources have noticed two new blips on the Apple hardware radar. The first, a project code-named "Q87," appears to have recently received approval for manufacturing in Asia.

Sources describe Q87 as an update to an existing desktop computer that the company targets at both the consumer and education markets. However, the only major change appears to be the default operating system, which will see an upgrade from Mac OS X 10.3 Panther to Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger.

While Q87 could represent updated iMacs or eMacs, the consensus among sources is that Q87 is likely the first minor revision to the Mac mini. With Apple making an aggressive push towards regaining lost market share with the mini, sources believe the company would like to begin shipping new models pre-loaded with Tiger as soon as possible.

The second hardware project to hit the radar carries the codename "M18." But sources were unable to positively identify the project, other than to say it was desktop-related. M18 is scheduled to debut alongside Q87 and may very well represent a new Apple peripheral or wireless device.

Sources were further puzzled by a couple of recent software projects, which reportedly go by the codenames "Omega" and "Bazooka." Both projects were completed early last month and pertain to consumer-oriented software products.

Although sources were unable to identify the two projects with any degree of certainty, they said the codenames could simply pertain to the recently released Keynote 2.0.1 and Pages 1.0.1 software updates.

Sources expect Apple to begin introducing a slew of new hardware and software products during the third week of April.
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iTunes 5??
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I agree that iTunes is due for an update. Adding changes that coincide with Tiger sounds like a good plan to me.
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God, that couldn't be any more vague.
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post #5 of 39
It would also make sense with the PyMusique problems they've been having recently. I expect them to come out with a new version soon that will plug the "flaws" in the existing product.
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So, to reiterate: Apple will likely upgrade one of its computer lines, might introduce an unknown new device, and has recently released point upgrades to two applications.

Well, I suppose caution is better than Macosrumors-style reporting, aka making up whatever might sound cool.
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Originally posted by holophile
It would also make sense with the PyMusique problems they've been having recently. I expect them to come out with a new version soon that will plug the "flaws" in the existing product.

I was surprised at the fact that Apple didn't readdress the situation, aside from hiring DVD Jon. Makes me think that a new version is almost ready, and why waste time plugging holes when the master plug (iTunes 5) is already lined up at the gate.

At this point, waiting for Tiger feels like pre-MacWorld XMas-eve.
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God, that couldn't be any more vague.

No kidding. I prefer more specific rumors, even if they're wholly innacurate.

I think the US government based its Iraqi WMD intelligence on reports like this one.

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post #9 of 39
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... a project code-named "Q87," appears to have recently received approval for manufacturing in Asia. Sources describe Q87 as an update to an existing desktop computer that the company targets at both the consumer and education markets. However, the only major change appears to be the default operating system, which will see an upgrade from Mac OS X 10.3 Panther to Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger.

Why would the inclusion of 10.4 require approval for manufacturing? I wouldn't consider 10.4 a hardware change. There must be something more to it than that.

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Quicktime 7 is being launched with Tiger, but doesn't require Tiger. I'm sure iTunes 5 will require Quicktime 7.

I don't think we're ready for videopod or iTunes HD movie store, but who knows what else they've got cooking...
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Originally posted by 1984
Why would the inclusion of 10.4 require approval for manufacturing? I wouldn't consider 10.4 a hardware change. There must be something more to it than that.

If it's relating to the mac mini, maybe it's an upgrade to the video card? I seem to remember hearing that it might not cope well with Tiger. Was it something to do with Core Image?
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Originally posted by Mike Peel
If it's relating to the mac mini, maybe it's an upgrade to the video card? I seem to remember hearing that it might not cope well with Tiger. Was it something to do with Core Image?

The accessory could be an iPod dock (although hp have beat Apple to it). The accessory requires a part in the Mac mini, I remember hearing there was a lot of space in the Mac mini which could be where the dock was expected.

So what do we want to see in iTunes 5.0? I want to see lyrics support, automatic retrieval or artwork (copyright though), the large pictures of artwork update with the song (maybe). A way to save party shuffle playlists, and more importantly more advanced searches that can be saved automatically, although the PC version wouldn't be as good.
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Originally posted by 1984
Why would the inclusion of 10.4 require approval for manufacturing? I wouldn't consider 10.4 a hardware change. There must be something more to it than that.

That's exactly what I thought when reading this rumour.......
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Originally posted by Xool
I was surprised at the fact that Apple didn't readdress the situation, aside from hiring DVD Jon. Makes me think that a new version is almost ready, and why waste time plugging holes when the master plug (iTunes 5) is already lined up at the gate.

At this point, waiting for Tiger feels like pre-MacWorld XMas-eve.

Apple hired DVD Jon? Do you have a link for that?
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This "Apple hired DVD Jon" story was an April Fool's joke, eh?

[EDIT: added links]

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl...&tid=176&tid=3

http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp...?storyid=66795
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How about a fix for iPhoto 5, so that searching actually works properly. I'm surprised and disappointed that Apple still doesn't have a fix out for that yet.
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How about a fix for iPhoto 5, so that searching actually works properly. I'm surprised and disappointed that Apple still doesn't have a fix out for that yet.

Yeah I've found iPhoto finds photos which only partially match the word typed.
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Maybe M18 is the new multi-button mouse Apple is supposedly working on. It would make sense to be releasing it "alongside" the new desktop product.
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Man, this reminds me of the bad old days when Mac the Knife used to bury his rumors in mediocre, rambling satire.

They used to go something like this:

Your favorite utensil was going through Phyllis Diller's dumpster looking for do-rags when a passing hitchhiker bummed a cig and a light from him. The hitcher was making his way back to Saltine Flats, Minnesota where he said that Apple was beta testing their new PDA, code named the Pewton which Apple was targeting towards the religious market.

Now that I think about it, Q78 and M31 aren't so bad.. why is Apple using the names of NYC bus lines for codenames?
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Now that I think about it, Q78 and M31 aren't so bad.. why is Apple using the names of NYC bus lines for codenames?

'Cause we are gonna have 3 apple stores!!!
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Originally posted by Xool
I was surprised at the fact that Apple didn't readdress the situation, aside from hiring DVD Jon.

That was an aprils fool.
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post #22 of 39
So what do we want to see in iTunes 5.0?

I'd like to see playlists inside playlists and folders inside folders so that I can make a rock folder and a techno folder and a wife folder all in the main library and then have specific playlists in each of those folders like you can with the new iPhoto.
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post #23 of 39
Guys... sorry to burst some bubbles...

Q87 is a wireless update
M18 is a Safari update, an iPod update, and a X.X.X OS update combined.

No comment on the other two because they aren't covered the same way Q87 and M18 are.

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That was an aprils fool.

Doh! Should have known better too.

*Holds head in shame*
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Since Apple spends almost a half a billion dollars on R&D each year it could be anything, form upgrades of products we know about to something new.

Personally I would like to see eMacs get a nice upgrade for the educational buying season as well as for consumers who need to stay in that price point.

iMacs might a bump and iBooks might have had some major attention. Both would be good to see, but 2004 was my year for upgrading everything so all I can do is sit back, relax and watch. Tiger (Family Pack) is my only projected Apple expense this year. Since I'm not waiting for a new computer to buy I tend to look at Macs from the lowest to the top of the line and want to see ALL of them continue to advance at a nice, orderly pace. the only thing that would excite me would be for the PMs to go dual core and my 25¢ bet is WWDC for that.
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Now that I think about it, Q78 and M31 aren't so bad.. why is Apple using the names of NYC bus lines for codenames?

Faster bus speeds? Maybe not.

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Originally posted by Xool
I was surprised at the fact that Apple didn't readdress the situation, aside from hiring DVD Jon. Makes me think that a new version is almost ready, and why waste time plugging holes when the master plug (iTunes 5) is already lined up at the gate.

Well, the 'hack' that befalls the iTMS has to do with the security certificates and all used by iTunes to talk to Apple's servers. Basically what they did was figure out the key used by iTunes to talk to the servers (I believe this would've been the 'public' key for this purpose, like the one they got to talk to the Airport Express basestations to stream music to those from non-iTunes clients). When it was first 'hacked', they most likely were using the key from 4.7, which caused it to stop working when Apple killed 4.7 support to the store. So they just went in and got the 4.7.1 key.

In order for Apple to fix it, its more than 'fixing' a hole, they have to completely rethink their DRM model. Do they leave it to the clients to do the DRM, or move it to the server side. The problem with the server-side DRM is that it prevents Apple from using their Akamai servers to offload their server loads, so they have to really re-work the whole store concept at the back-end. Not something you just want to push out in a week.
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At this point, waiting for Tiger feels like pre-MacWorld XMas-eve.


Screw tiger. Waiting for the never-to-appear PowerMac updates feels like pre-Macworld eve, with the added ATI PR blunder causing Apple to hold them off to who knows when. Tiger will be out in the next couple of months, at the latest, and the announcement is sort of anti-climatic (I mean, unless they slap in some whiz-bang new feature no one has heard of, we all know what Tiger is and what it has). The only buzz will be about what it WON'T contain (is quicktime 7 missing, what features/optimazations are missing that the rumors say will be added in a maintenance update, etc).

The mythical PowerMac updates, on the other hand, are just a mystery. When will they come (I'm betting on never, as Apple will dump the whole line so they can use the form factor to make a iPod Extreme!), what features will they hold (after 10+ months, you'd hope its not "Hey, its the same as the one you got, but we've upped the chips to 2.57 GHz!"), how many days from the announcement will the low, mid, and high-end models be available (usually, respectively, today, next week, sometime in the future that we're going to call '2 months', but we're not going to define '2' or 'months' for you, you'll have to figure out what calendar and numbering system we're using and map it to your own systems), what unannounced features that didn't make the cut will garner the most complaints ("WTF? Where the hell's the PCI Express video cards?").

Now that's what I call anticipation!
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Yeah I've found iPhoto finds photos which only partially match the word typed.

Here's the problem with iPhoto 5's searching:

* Keyword and search box searches cannot be combined. Thus, you can't filter your pics using keywords, and then search within those pics using the search box.

* Keyword combinations are OR, not AND. So, if you select the keyword "Family" and the keyword "Vacation," you'll get any pics that have the keyword(s) "Family" or "Vacation," not the pics that have both.

* Search box searches are the same way. Put more than one word/term into the search box, and the search is OR, not AND (like it is in iTunes, for example).
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shidoshi ...this is why they built spotlight. They update *all* the apps with it upon Tiger release...
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shidoshi ...this is why they built spotlight. They update *all* the apps with it upon Tiger release...

yeah but all of those problems are fixable now. Unless Apple want to make Tiger more desirable and did it on purpose?
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...Unless Apple want to make Tiger more desirable and did it on purpose?

They wouldn't *dare* do that would they?
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Faster bus speeds? Maybe not.

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shidoshi ...this is why they built spotlight. They update *all* the apps with it upon Tiger release...

Uhm, not really. Even if Apple went with Spotlight for searching inside of iPhoto, that still doesn't fix the Keyword problem.
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Anyone think that one of these projects could be "Asteroid" with a different code-name?

Forgive me if I'm way off base on this I'm new to being an active member on these forums.
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Anyone think that one of these projects could be "Asteroid" with a different code-name?

Forgive me if I'm way off base on this I'm new to being an active member on these forums.

It relates to the product itself so it is unlikely to be a mouse or asteroid because they're for all products; it's supposedly designed specially for this computer. I think it's a dock for the iPod but I've already argued on other threads why this would be stupid!
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I think that Q87's update to mac mini should include a cheaper monitor and reduced keybord+mouse options. An included keybord+mouse would also be nice. Might also mean updated emacs to G5.

The first thing that comes to mind regarding Omega+Bazooka is a 3.0GHZ processor updrade from apple, but since it is regarding softwave it is probably an upgrade to some pro apps like motion or final cut pro, or a new audio app. I don't think that the codename refer to updates it keynote or pages.

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Maybe M18 is the new multi-button mouse Apple is supposedly working on. It would make sense to be releasing it "alongside" the new desktop product.

I hope it's the new mouse. My Apple Pro mouse just died. I've been desperately trying to find a new mouse that matches the "feel" of the pro mouse. My hand gets cramped using all kinds of mice (from Logitech, Kensington, or Microsoft, from mini size to Shrek size, from single button to gazillion buttons... all crap). Please Apple, get this mouse on the market.
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Of course a Mac mini G5 would be nice too.

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