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link http://www.apple.com/macosx/

Family Pack is also being made.
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woo hoo
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Woot!
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Just realized I have an 8 o'clock exam that next day, oh well midnight party at Apple Store comes first
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Then I'll wait until Tiger and buy my mini. good news.
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
Then I'll wait until Tiger and buy my mini. good news.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

However, it looks like my new iBook's GPU won't support core image. SUCKS! But I will live.

Core Image-capable graphics cards include:

ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
ATI Radeon 9600 XT, 9800 XT, X800 XT
nVidia GeForce FX Go 5200
nVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL, 6800 GT DDL
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Wow... LOTS of color!!

Are we getting out of the "brushed aluminum and white" and going back into a color phase?

Would be nice to have some color back, at least in the consumer area. Or hell, gimme some Matt Black PowerBook Wallstreet lovin' biaaatch!

*err*...

hurrah
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post #8 of 97
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Originally posted by aplnub
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

However, it looks like my new iBook won't support core image. SUCKS! But I will live.

Core Image-capable graphics cards include:

ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
ATI Radeon 9600 XT, 9800 XT, X800 XT
nVidia GeForce FX Go 5200
nVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL, 6800 GT DDL


Well, it looks like Mac mini won't either. Hm. Having second thoughts.
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
Well, it looks like Mac mini won't either. Hm. Having second thoughts.

I have been waiting for Tiger as well before getting a Mac mini. I wouldn't be surprised if they come out with a Rev. B mini in the next 2 weeks or so. I am going to be putting Tiger Server on mine anyways so I'm not that worried about it, but they still need to do something. I just wish professors would realize that today is a big day and cancel classes.
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OK, ONE LAST TIME:

Your computer will support CoreImage, just that it won't use the GPU to do the processing, it will use the CPU. Everybody got that? Your iBook, Mini, iMac, PowerBook, G4 PowerMac, etc. will support CoreImage! Any Mac with a G4 or higher will support CoreImage! Don't make me repeat it 100 times!
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Originally posted by BuonRotto
OK, ONE LAST TIME:

Your computer will support CoreImage, just that it won't use the GPU to do the processing, it will use the CPU. Everybody got that? Your iBook, Mini, iMac, PowerBook, G4 PowerMac, etc. will support CoreImage! Any Mac with a G4 or higher will support CoreImage! Don't make me repeat it 100 times!

Are you sure???? (sarcasm please don't hurt me)
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Originally posted by O4BlackWRX
I have been waiting for Tiger as well before getting a Mac mini. I wouldn't be surprised if they come out with a Rev. B mini in the next 2 weeks or so. I am going to be putting Tiger Server on mine anyways so I'm not that worried about it, but they still need to do something. I just wish professors would realize that today is a big day and cancel classes.

i knew the fanboys would be going nuts

nah it's all cool bro

i'll be 'scheduling' a purchase along the lines of a
mac mini rev B
inclusive of iLife '05 (or '06)
tiger 10.4.2 shipping with mac mini
sweet but affordable 17" DVI lcd with a
3 year no-dead-pixel warranty
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Originally posted by BuonRotto
OK, ONE LAST TIME:

Your computer will support CoreImage, just that it won't use the GPU to do the processing, it will use the CPU. Everybody got that? Your iBook, Mini, iMac, PowerBook, G4 PowerMac, etc. will support CoreImage! Any Mac with a G4 or higher will support CoreImage! Don't make me repeat it 100 times!

I meant my GPU. I will try and be more exact next time...
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Apple unleashes Tiger.

Apple today announced that Mac OS X version 10.4 ÂTiger will go on sale Friday, April 29, beginning at 6:00 p.m.Â*during special events at AppleÂs retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers. Tiger has more than 200 new features and innovations including Spotlight, a revolutionary desktop search technology that lets users instantly find anything stored on their Mac, including documents, emails, contacts and images; and Dashboard, a new way to instantly access important information like weather forecasts and stock quotes, using a dazzling new class of applications called widgets.

Pricing & Availability Â*

Mac OS X version 10.4 ÂTiger will be available on April 29Â*beginning at 6:00 p.m. at AppleÂs retail stores and through Apple Authorized Resellers for a suggested retail price of $129 (US) for a single user license. Visitors to the Apple Store can pre-order copies of Tiger beginning today. The Mac OS X Tiger Family Pack is a single-residence, five-user license that will be available for a suggested retail price of $199 (US). Volume and maintenance pricing is available from Apple. The standard Mac OS Up-To-Date upgrade package is available to all customers who purchase a qualifying new Mac system from Apple or an Apple Authorized Reseller on or after April 12Â* for a shipping and handling fee of $9.95 (US). Tiger requires a minimum of 256MB of memory and is designed to run on any Macintosh computer with a PowerPC G5, G4, or G3 processor and built-in FireWire.

Meanwhile, Amazon.com, via a rebate, is offering Tiger $35 cheaper than Apple.
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Originally posted by BuonRotto
OK, ONE LAST TIME:

Your computer will support CoreImage, just that it won't use the GPU to do the processing, it will use the CPU. Everybody got that? Your iBook, Mini, iMac, PowerBook, G4 PowerMac, etc. will support CoreImage! Any Mac with a G4 or higher will support CoreImage! Don't make me repeat it 100 times!

We know that. What we meant was that our GPU will not be able to handle CoreImage relegating more work to our CPU.

I'll say it 100 more times, don't mess with da CoreImage! :P
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Apple unleashes Tiger.

Apple today announced that Mac OS X version 10.4 Tiger will go on sale Friday, April 29, beginning at 6:00 p.m._during special events at Apples retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers. .....

mm.. special events at Apple's retail stores...!! what could they be???
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mm.. special events at Apple's retail stores...!! what could they be???


I was talking with the head of Mac's here on campus back 3 months ago and he told me we were suppose to have a special even on campus, hosted by Apple, whenever Tiger came out because of the mascots being the same....I'm going to talk to him today and find out for sure. So LSU, Auburn, & another colleges that have a tiger for a mascot ask around and see.
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Now, where is Quartz 2D Extreme? All I can find is Quartz Extreme, available already in Panther. I remember a video stream (from Apple) for developers, where there was a clear explanation of what Quartz 2D Extreme is exactly. Perhaps the answer is hidden here? If so, I don't see why Apple hides important OS features.

Also, what happened to OpenGL 2? Tiger supports OpenGL 1.5. I had the impression that OpenGL 2 was coming with Tiger.
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Spotted video conference requirements part way down spec page, looks like none of Apples Laptops, emac, mini will be able to initiate a multiway video conference in Tiger!!!

http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/

As follows:

Video conferencing with iChat requires a compatible FireWire DV camera or web camera and broadband Internet access. One-to-one video conferencing requires a G5, G4 or 600MHz or faster G3 processor and 100-Kbps or faster broadband access. Initiating_a multiway video conference requires a G5 or dual 1GHz or faster G4 processor and_384-Kbps or faster broadband access. Participating in a multiway video conference and initiating a six-person multiway audio conference both require a G5, 1GHz G4 or dual 800MHz or faster G4 processor and 100-Kbps or faster broadband access.
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Originally posted by aplnub

Core Image-capable graphics cards include:

ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
ATI Radeon 9600 XT, 9800 XT, X800 XT
nVidia GeForce FX Go 5200
nVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL, 6800 GT DDL

If there is no typo in this list, then even the Radeon Mobility 9600 Powerbook will be unable to run Core Image/Video on GPU. If I remember well, the 9600 was initially included. Anyone knows what is going on here?
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Originally posted by PB
If there is no typo in this list, then even the Radeon Mobility 9600 Powerbook will be unable to run Core Image/Video on GPU. If I remember well, the 9600 was initially included. Anyone knows what is going on here?

Is that list just laptop cards or does it mean my Radeon 9000 Pro is out too?
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Originally posted by Guartho
Is that list just laptop cards or does it mean my Radeon 9000 Pro is out too?

I don't remember the Radeon 9000 (Pro) being in the initial list. Only hope in systems with older cards is the Altivec unit of the G4.
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Spotted video conference requirements part way down spec page, looks like none of Apples Laptops, emac, mini will be able to initiate a multiway video conference in Tiger!!!

http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/

As follows:

Video conferencing with iChat requires a compatible FireWire DV camera or web camera and broadband Internet access. One-to-one video conferencing requires a G5, G4 or 600MHz or faster G3 processor and 100-Kbps or faster broadband access. Initiating_a multiway video conference requires a G5 or dual 1GHz or faster G4 processor and_384-Kbps or faster broadband access. Participating in a multiway video conference and initiating a six-person multiway audio conference both require a G5, 1GHz G4 or dual 800MHz or faster G4 processor and 100-Kbps or faster broadband access.

Erm I think many of Apple's laptops, definitely the mac mini, have over 1GHz G4 processor...

Well just ordered my copy for £58.75 on NUS education pricing. What kind of stuff goes on at the Apple Stores?
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post #24 of 97
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Originally posted by lawrenceg
As follows:

Video conferencing with iChat requires a compatible FireWire DV camera or web camera and broadband Internet access. One-to-one video conferencing requires a G5, G4 or 600MHz or faster G3 processor and 100-Kbps or faster broadband access. Initiating_a multiway video conference requires a G5 or dual 1GHz or faster G4 processor and_384-Kbps or faster broadband access. Participating in a multiway video conference and initiating a six-person multiway audio conference both require a G5, 1GHz G4 or dual 800MHz or faster G4 processor and 100-Kbps or faster broadband access.

wow, so my dual-1.25 GHz G4 is JUST within the iChat minimum requirements for a multi-way video chat. i guess i'm not surprised, but there goes anyone wanting to video chat with two other family members on lower-end hardware.

still keeping my ear to the ground for a dual 2 GHz G4 upgrade, and a 4x AGP card that's core image compatible (might not even be possible, though).
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But is requires a dual 1GHz processor or faster to initiate! That means no laptop users can initiate a conference call to more than one person.
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Originally posted by lawrenceg
But is requires a dual 1GHz processor or faster to initiate! That means no laptop users can initiate a conference call to more than one person.

My bad, I read that tidbit about 5 times, and managed to miss initializing everytime...
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Does anyone know if it's gonna use serial numbers on this version, or is that still server only. Not a big deal for me really- gonna get the family pack and curious if they do use a serial number scheme, if it will supply a 'blanket number' or five separate ones.
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post #28 of 97
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Originally posted by PB
If there is no typo in this list, then even the Radeon Mobility 9600 Powerbook will be unable to run Core Image/Video on GPU. If I remember well, the 9600 was initially included. Anyone knows what is going on here?


Don't know whats going on, but the mobility 9600 was on the initial list. I was excited that my PB just scaped by and made the min. requirements.

I guess they realized that the 9600 couldn't handle it or something.

Time for a new machine perhaps.... no wait, i guess i should pay tuition first....
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Does anyone know if it's gonna use serial numbers on this version, or is that still server only. Not a big deal for me really- gonna get the family pack and curious if they do use a serial number scheme, if it will supply a 'blanket number' or five separate ones.

If it is no big deal for you, why do you mention anyway?
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In some cases, the CPU would supposedly be faster than the GPU in the same model. The 9600 might have technically been able, but maybe its performance was actually worse than having the CPU pick up the task.
post #31 of 97
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Originally posted by BuonRotto
OK, ONE LAST TIME:

... Any Mac with a G4 or higher will support CoreImage! Don't make me repeat it 100 times!

Er... what about my good ol' G3?



Teach me don't hit me, please.
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Originally posted by Vox Barbara
If it is no big deal for you, why do you mention anyway?

Because I am curious...and if you don't know- don't answer
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post #33 of 97
G3? You're probably out of luck. The scenarios are from best to worst:

1. some CI/CV effects and plug-ins work OK, but others are dropped due to their poor performanceon a G3,
2. all effects and plug-ins work but vary between irksome to drunk-donkey slow since the G4 uses Altivec to optimize CI and CV,
3. Some CI/CV effects work really, really slowly and others not at all, or
4. CI/CV stuff is flat out turned off if it doesn't at least see a G4.
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Originally posted by AppleInsider

Mac OS X version 10.4 Tiger will be available on April 29 beginning at 6:00 p.m. at Apples retail stores and through Apple Authorized Resellers for a suggested retail price of $129 (US) for a single user license. The standard Mac OS Up-To-Date upgrade package is available to all customers who purchase a qualifying new Mac system from Apple or an Apple Authorized Reseller on or after April 12 for a shipping and handling fee of $9.95 (US). Tiger requires a minimum of 256MB of memory and is designed to run on any Macintosh computer with a PowerPC G5, G4, or G3 processor and built-in FireWire.

First, I thought it was going to be released on the 15th!

Second, is the up-to-date program cheaper then before? I thought it was always 19.95.

Third, aren't the specs for Tiger the same as panther (10.3)? There was lots of concern that the specs for 10.4 would be different, but they seem the same to me (or was 10.3 any computer with built-in USB?)

And, damn, does anyone know for sure what the build number is. I'm wetting my pants waiting to find out this critical piece of information. Is it really the same as the "GM" build mentioned weeks ago? Are we going to have to wait until end of the month to find out? Arrrgh! (Sorry, couldn't hold it in anymore, gotta go find another pair of pants).
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Anyone have any info on the serial number thing? No, I am not asking for any if they do, mine will be in the box- just want to find out what I am in store for...2 laptops, one iMac and one G5....anyone?
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Originally posted by tommy_thompson
Anyone have any info on the serial number thing? No, I am not asking for any if they do, mine will be in the box- just want to find out what I am in store for...2 laptops, one iMac and one G5....anyone?

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Anyone have any info on the serial number thing? No, I am not asking for any if they do, mine will be in the box- just want to find out what I am in store for...2 laptops, one iMac and one G5....anyone?

You know, for $149 (Amazon, after rebate), you can get the family pack and not worry about it...
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Would also be interesting to me - I wonder if they´ll use something like this again, since their marketshare grew, and now, I think it would matter. I also wonder if there will be a version available on various P2P Networks after the lawsuit regarding the Beta-Version...
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Originally posted by Denmaru
Would also be interesting to me - I wonder if they´ll use something like this again, since their marketshare grew, and now, I think it would matter. I also wonder if there will be a version available on various P2P Networks after the lawsuit regarding the Beta-Version...

Yeah, because we know all those P2P lawsuits for music and software have basically stopped all usage of them!

Apple sued because (a) they knew who to sue, and (b) someone broke an NDA, which they don't like a lot more than just giving away the software. I'm sure you'll find it out there somewhere (you probably could find it now).
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