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post #41 of 97
I see on apples site that tiger requiers firewire: what for? surely there are a few non-fw PMs that could use tiger...
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post #42 of 97
Did anyone else notice that there is a new wallpaper for Tiger. Its hard to find an actual picture that isnt half covered up, but its there.
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Originally posted by a_greer
I see on apples site that tiger requiers firewire: what for? surely there are a few non-fw PMs that could use tiger...

What for Panther required built-in USB? And there are older machines (without built-in USB) capable to run Panther. To not say that Panther would breath new life on those.

I think it is nothing more than a line Apple has to draw as to what will be the officially supported machines. Obviously they cannot support anything from the past.
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Originally posted by zenatek
Did anyone else notice that there is a new wallpaper for Tiger.

There's plenty of new goodies in Tiger like that.
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There's plenty of new goodies in Tiger like that.

Woohoo! $130 worth of background pictures! Who needs Dashboard!
post #46 of 97
I hope that Apple does not make the same mistake with Dashboard that they made with Sherlock: cater to the American market only.

Things like the Yellow Pages widget and the Dictionary/Thesaurus widget should be adapted for each country and they all should properly be localized.
post #47 of 97
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Originally posted by Louzer
You know, for $149 (Amazon, after rebate), you can get the family pack and not worry about it...

I have already ordered....I am just curious...geezus people!
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post #48 of 97
I just ordered the family pack for my 2 Powerbooks, it won't run on my older iMac, :-(. I hope it comes on the release day, like iWork did.

I hope dashboard is localized as well, I think the yellow pages widget would be the only thing I would use, might order a pizza whilst watching a DVD. Mind you, I can guarantee hundreds of different third-party widgets will turn up as soon as this hits the shelves.
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post #49 of 97
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Originally posted by RolandG
I hope that Apple does not make the same mistake with Dashboard that they made with Sherlock: cater to the American market only.

Things like the Yellow Pages widget and the Dictionary/Thesaurus widget should be adapted for each country and they all should properly be localized.

feel free to correct me if i am wrong, but these widgets, just like sherlock channels, are subject to the whims of the online sites/databases they query, right? i mean, the widget can't display info that's not there. sure, they could make a widget that pulls in info from, say, lots of weather services, but i'd wager they don't all play nice with each other (i am thinking of meteorologist, and its constant struggle with wunderground changing its system, where in the end, the developer just gave up, and so did sourceforge). so if the movie widget queries moviefone, and moviefone doesn't collect info on hungarian theaters, um, don't blame apple. and i am sure apple's reply would be "well, if there's a want, someone will make a widget for it."

look at konfabulator. there are some pretty niche widgets over there i would guess, for example, that the connecticut traffic cams are of little interest to a widget user in, say, omaha nebraska, but that didn't stop someone from making it. but by that same token, you wouldn't expect that coennecticut traffic cam widget to show traffics cams from every major u.s. city. sure, someone probably COULD do that, but i would think at that point a.) you've soared past "hobbyist" status and straight into "developer" realm and b.) you should probably just make a full-fledged app and maybe sell it.

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post #50 of 97
There is a lot of cool whiz-bang gadjety shite in Tiger, but the newer iLife apps aren't included? WTF? What exactly are the big selling points?

OK, for 130 bucks I can search my entire hard drive! Wow! Oh wait, I can do that now, even though the thing I'm looking for usually takes a whole 3-5 seconds to pop up.

Well, Dashboard is cool, cuz It sure is expensive to get the weather, stock ticker and yellowpages at yahoo, excite, or 50 other sites. For that money, I hope the calculator won't be as flaky as previous versions.

Safari RSS: well if I cared that much about it, I'd be using another browser by now.

iChat AV: Ok, cool app for people who use it. Nice for corporate types who were actually long-sighted enough to buy Apple.

Automator: If someone is that big of a geek, that they do ultra-repetitive tasks, they either have figured out Apple Script, or they use a pallette to do it; i.e. Photoshop.

QuickTime 7: I'm sure it's a nice upgrade. Will they be able to convince anyone (content providers) to switch from Real and Windows?

.Mac Sync: Nice if you move alot of files around. Yet one more reason to pay for a .Mac membership every year.

Mail: Cool, I can organize my mail into folders, just like I could before! And search?! Stop you're killing me! Ooh... Cool new buttony interface- here's my money!

Don't get me wrong I love Apple, But I when it seems that they're holding back on a "name" upgrade, it makes me a little sarcastic.

(I'm awaiting the agonized replies of "but Tiger goes to eleven"
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post #51 of 97
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I think it is nothing more than a line Apple has to draw as to what will be the officially supported machines. Obviously they cannot support anything from the past.

But I want tiger newton edition!!!
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Originally posted by Esteban
There is a lot of cool whiz-bang gadjety shite in Tiger, but the newer iLife apps aren't included? WTF? What exactly are the big selling points?

OK, for 130 bucks I can search my entire hard drive! Wow! Oh wait, I can do that now, even though the thing I'm looking for usually takes a whole 3-5 seconds to pop up.

Well, Dashboard is cool, cuz It sure is expensive to get the weather, stock ticker and yellowpages at yahoo, excite, or 50 other sites. For that money, I hope the calculator won't be as flaky as previous versions.

Safari RSS: well if I cared that much about it, I'd be using another browser by now.

iChat AV: Ok, cool app for people who use it. Nice for corporate types who were actually long-sighted enough to buy Apple.

Automator: If someone is that big of a geek, that they do ultra-repetitive tasks, they either have figured out Apple Script, or they use a pallette to do it; i.e. Photoshop.

QuickTime 7: I'm sure it's a nice upgrade. Will they be able to convince anyone (content providers) to switch from Real and Windows?

.Mac Sync: Nice if you move alot of files around. Yet one more reason to pay for a .Mac membership every year.

Mail: Cool, I can organize my mail into folders, just like I could before! And search?! Stop you're killing me! Ooh... Cool new buttony interface- here's my money!

Don't get me wrong I love Apple, But I when it seems that they're holding back on a "name" upgrade, it makes me a little sarcastic.

(I'm awaiting the agonized replies of "but Tiger goes to eleven"

Howdy stranger. (narrows eyes)
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post #53 of 97
How do you order the Family Pack--I don't see it as an option, only as a footnote to a non-existant single asterisk? I'm on the Education site, but looks to be the same on the main store page.
post #54 of 97
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Originally posted by Esteban

OK, for 130 bucks I can search my entire hard drive! Wow! Oh wait, I can do that now, even though the thing I'm looking for usually takes a whole 3-5 seconds to pop up.

No, you can't do that now. Try searching in Panther for files constaining some given string or some metadata element, in a hard drive that has several GB of data. Yeah, not a folder with 10 or 20 or 1000 files. The whole hard drive. And tell us what you do get and how you can organize the results for easy access.

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Safari RSS: well if I cared that much about it, I'd be using another browser by now.

The thing is, as always, the implementation. And this remains to be seen. Besides, Safari has some other very nice features, like preventing kids from visiting certain websites.

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Automator: If someone is that big of a geek, that they do ultra-repetitive tasks, they either have figured out Apple Script, or they use a pallette to do it; i.e. Photoshop.

If I am not mistaken, there are many people that need to up- and/or down- load images from the web, for sharing or whatever else. This is a very simple example where Automator will make their life much easier.

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Mail: Cool, I can organize my mail into folders, just like I could before! And search?! Stop you're killing me! Ooh... Cool new buttony interface- here's my money!

I am afraid that you missed again the point. Mail now works in cooperation with Spotlight.
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Originally posted by F1Turbo
How do you order the Family Pack--I don't see it as an option, only as a footnote to a non-existant single asterisk? I'm on the Education site, but looks to be the same on the main store page.

You cannot order the Family Pack from the Education store. I was unable to do that for Jaguar, Panther, & Tiger. Go to www.amazon.com pick up the Tiger family pack for $149 after rebates and get 5 licensed copies for $30 a piece. I wish Apple would do an Education Family Pack but I understand why they don't to.

If I am wrong please correct me but I never found a way to do it in the past.
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post #56 of 97
Thanks--it's odd that they reference the Family Pack on the Education site, even stating that it's not valid for a student living on campus and the rest of the family at home, yet don't offer it.
post #57 of 97
Just preordered my family pack on the UK education store
post #58 of 97
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Originally posted by O4BlackWRX
You cannot order the Family Pack from the Education store.

It's on the UK Education store, but with some odd pricing - normal edu have it for £69.33, while higher edu have it for £137.48... No mention about the student living on campus, and rest of family at home, bit either.
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post #59 of 97
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Originally posted by rok

still keeping my ear to the ground for a dual 2 GHz G4 upgrade, and a 4x AGP card that's core image compatible (might not even be possible, though).

The 9800 Pro AGP 2X/4X should still be supported by core image - Apple's web site specifically states that core image automatically utilizes the GPU when a programable GPU is detected, and the 9800 pro is programmable -
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ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
ATI Radeon 9600 XT, 9800 XT, X800 XT
nVidia GeForce FX Go 5200
nVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL, 6800 GT DDL

Notice the "include" - it's my understanding that the listed cards are Apple's current line of BTO video card options, so it's not supprising that Apple wouldn't list retail / other vendors. Of corse, Tiger's not offically out yet, and Apple sometimes makes questionable decisions, so I could be totally wrong on this.
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post #60 of 97
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Originally posted by semi-fly
The 9800 Pro AGP 2X/4X should still be supported by core image - Apple's web site specifically states that core image automatically utilizes the GPU when a programable GPU is detected, and the 9800 pro is programmable -
Notice the "include" - it's my understanding that the listed cards are Apple's current line of BTO video card options, so it's not supprising that Apple wouldn't list retail / other vendors. Of corse, Tiger's not offically out yet, and Apple sometimes makes questionable decisions, so I could be totally wrong on this.

I was somewhat shocked when my 9800 Pro (OEM) wasn't listed, even though I'm pretty certain it is supported.
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post #61 of 97
I wish they had a countdown like the one for the Panther release...

And what happened to having orange and black stripes instead of just black and grays on the Mac OS X page?!
post #62 of 97
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Originally posted by Xool
I was somewhat shocked when my 9800 Pro (OEM) wasn't listed, even though I'm pretty certain it is supported.

Same here - this stinks of a subtle marketing ploy intended to misinform users with older hardware - ironic that the listed cards happen to only be available on the G5 line (except for the powerbook options).

really though - 9700 mobility and 5200 go are listed as compatable but the 9800 PRO is not? Ridiculous.
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post #63 of 97
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Originally posted by Louzer
Yeah, because we know all those P2P lawsuits for music and software have basically stopped all usage of them!

I could imagine that there will be no Version available for these reasons.
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I'm sure you'll find it out there somewhere (you probably could find it now).

Well, there is no sign of it as of now....
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post #64 of 97
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Originally posted by semi-fly
Same here - this stinks of a subtle marketing ploy intended to misinform users with older hardware - ironic that the listed cards happen to only be available on the G5 line (except for the powerbook options).

really though - 9700 mobility and 5200 go are listed as compatable but the 9800 PRO is not? Ridiculous.

Feel free to take off the tinfoil hat and wipe the foam from your mouth...

The 9800 Pro is completely compatible, even a flashed PC OEM version running at 2x in a G4.
post #65 of 97
I were disappointed when my Powerbook whit Radeon Mobility 9600 where pulled from the supported gf card list! Anyone here that know if it still should work?
post #66 of 97
Strawberry and Mike Peel: Are there two separate products and prices for single license and family pack on your education store site?

04BlackWRX -- So when you last upgraded, it was specifically stated that it was single license only? Did you buy the educational version and try to install it? Nice car, by the way :-)

What I'm getting at is that I'm wondering if the educational version is already a multiple license version, similar to MS Office educational. I'll ask the Mac geek at the university computer store also.
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04BlackWRX -- So when you last upgraded, it was specifically stated that it was single license only? Did you buy the educational version and try to install it? Nice car, by the way :-)

F1Turbo - When I bought Jaguar and Panther (both from the Education Store on Apple.com) I was given a box with CD's in it. That's it. There was no single license or multiple license written on the boxes. What I have done in the past to try to get the Family Pack from the US Education Store is I get the product number for the Family Pack, I then go into the Education Store and search for that product. It comes up with no product could be found. I search by "family pack" and I did not get the OS Family Pack. So I just concluded that you could not buy the Family Pack with the Education discount (I'm lazy and that was already too much work in my opinon to try and find it).

To answer your question though, you can install that "Education Box" on as many computers as you want. I installed it on my iBook & iMac and had no conflicts. So if you find a link/way to buy the Family Pack from the Education Store let me know.
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post #68 of 97
So Apple enforces one software, per one specific computer like MS does with activation???


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F1Turbo - When I bought Jaguar and Panther (both from the Education Store on Apple.com) I was given a box with CD's in it. That's it. There was no single license or multiple license written on the boxes. What I have done in the past to try to get the Family Pack from the US Education Store is I get the product number for the Family Pack, I then go into the Education Store and search for that product. It comes up with no product could be found. I search by "family pack" and I did not get the OS Family Pack. So I just concluded that you could not buy the Family Pack with the Education discount (I'm lazy and that was already too much work in my opinon to try and find it).

To answer your question though, you can install that "Education Box" on as many computers as you want. I installed it on my iBook & iMac and had no conflicts. So if you find a link/way to buy the Family Pack from the Education Store let me know.
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So Apple enforces one software, per one specific computer like MS does with activation???

As far as I know, No apple does not force it. The only thing OS X does is if when you install the software you have the option of registering it. Obviously you wouldn't want to register it more then once. But there is no "activation" like in M$ XP. So far everything I have used of Tiger it's been the same way but I haven't gotten a final GM Build yet.
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So Apple enforces one software, per one specific computer like MS does with activation???

To the best of my knowledge, no (they never have before). I think the comment specifcally about the education box was more to indicate there was nothing that said you couldn't install it on more than one machine.

As for the family pack, people buy it to (a) be 'legit' with all their macs, and (b) there's no real financial reason not to. For less than another retail copy of OS X, you get four more licenses. MS uses product activation because (a) they really make a ton of money from Windows, and (b) they really don't want you to just buy one copy and install it on multiple computers, and (c) they're too greedy to say "Hey, we know people have 2 or 3 computers in their home, for only $100 more, get 4 more windows licenses" because even if they did do that, they'd probably try to hack some activation code around it to make sure they all get registered from the same IP address (or range) so you don't (*gasp*) get a family pack and give a license to a friend (some friend, giving them a license to use Windows?)
post #71 of 97
Saw this comment on MOSR:

Interestingly, the release date is the same day that Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy will premiere in theatres.

Could someone enlighten me as to why, in the grand scheme of life, is this 'interesting'? Are people going to be torn "Stand in line for hitchhikers? Stand in line for Tiger? What to do!?!"
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Even more, saw this on MacsOnly:

Surprise: Finally, those with Power Mac G5s (and maybe iMac G5s) are in for a terrific surprise that we can not disclose until April 29 because, for some reason, Apple hasn't.

So, what kind of surprise do you think Tiger is going to offer those G5 owners?

OK, enough of my posting from other websites.
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Originally posted by O4BlackWRX
As far as I know, No apple does not force it. The only thing OS X does is if when you install the software you have the option of registering it. Obviously you wouldn't want to register it more then once.

Apple wouldn't be able to see the difference in installing and registering two copies or installing and registering one copy twice.
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Originally posted by Esteban
There is a lot of cool whiz-bang gadjety shite in Tiger, but the newer iLife apps aren't included? WTF? What exactly are the big selling points?

iLife is included with a Mac, not Mac OS X.


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QuickTime 7: I'm sure it's a nice upgrade. Will they be able to convince anyone (content providers) to switch from Real and Windows?

Unlike Real, QuickTime is much much more than playing content.


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Don't get me wrong I love Apple, But I when it seems that they're holding back on a "name" upgrade, it makes me a little sarcastic.

Don't buy Tiger then, but you'll be missing a lot. Just because you can't get excited by reading a feature list doesn't mean that Tiger doesn't have features that will make your Mac experince much better - it will.
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Originally posted by Louzer
MS uses product activation because (a) they really make a ton of money from Windows, and (b) they really don't want you to just buy one copy and install it on multiple computers, and (c) they're too greedy to say "Hey, we know people have 2 or 3 computers in their home, for only $100 more, get 4 more windows licenses" because even if they did do that, they'd probably try to hack some activation code around it to make sure they all get registered from the same IP address (or range) so you don't (*gasp*) get a family pack and give a license to a friend (some friend, giving them a license to use Windows?)

Not to mention that the cost of OSX has remained the same ($129) since at least Jaguar which was released in 2002. That is for the full version. The edu discount has been $69. An upgrade of Win XP costs $199 and the full version is $299. There is no, home/media/lite/pro edition for OSX. less confusion for the consumer.

Which means, If you want to geek out, you don't pay more for a pro edition, it's all there.

It's definitely a case of get way more for less money.
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Originally posted by Louzer
Even more, saw this on MacsOnly:

Surprise: Finally, those with Power Mac G5s (and maybe iMac G5s) are in for a terrific surprise that we can not disclose until April 29 because, for some reason, Apple hasn't.

So, what kind of surprise do you think Tiger is going to offer those G5 owners?

If he means NEW G5 and iMac G5 owners with the dual-core G5s, then maybe he is referring to the fact that Tiger has changed some of the utility dialog boxes so that they can handle displaying information about 4 CPUs. They are definitely changed.
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If he means NEW G5 and iMac G5 owners with the dual-core G5s, then maybe he is referring to the fact that Tiger has changed some of the utility dialog boxes so that they can handle displaying information about 4 CPUs. They are definitely changed.

Who knows. I wish they would stop teasing us. It sounds like something specific for G5 computers. Maybe, just maybe, I will finally get that tricycle I always wanted!
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Feel free to take off the tinfoil hat and wipe the foam from your mouth...

The 9800 Pro is completely compatible, even a flashed PC OEM version running at 2x in a G4.

Never! I refuse to forgo my paranoid and disillusional mind set (reaches for box of tinfoil and container of foam) - seriously though, as I stated before, threre's no reason that the 9800 shouldn't be supported - you post, thankfully, confirms that
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Originally posted by lundy
If he means NEW G5 and iMac G5 owners with the dual-core G5s, then maybe he is referring to the fact that Tiger has changed some of the utility dialog boxes so that they can handle displaying information about 4 CPUs. They are definitely changed.

Based on the recent CHUD Tools fiasco, it doesn't surprise me that the GM build has not been released yet. If it was seeded it would get leaked and everyone would know about Hardware that is coming out before the 29th by finding information in NIBs, plists, etc.

I'm cranky cuz I want my Tiger now, but perhaps once the hardware announcements are made we'll get the goods.
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Originally posted by Louzer
Could someone enlighten me as to why, in the grand scheme of life, is this 'interesting'? Are people going to be torn "Stand in line for hitchhikers? Stand in line for Tiger? What to do!?!"

Buy 42 copies of Tiger, obviously!
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