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post #1 of 70
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So, why the need to be pessimistic? I guess to bring things down to reality. This post is not going to have a bunch of dates on where Apple did this or that but rather a more philosophical point of view.

I should start by giving my history.....

I have been on this forum for a long time. Before coming on as Jared, I was JaredS in the late 90's. In 2000/2001 I worked for Apple at their headquarters in Cupertino and their Apple Store in the mid-west. I have been using Apple's and Mac's since I was a year old (Apple ][e and than the very first Macintosh).

Now, aside from my history of Macintosh, back to where I was going with this thread......I am not saying the future of Apple is going to be dark clouds and thunder storms but I also do not think it is going to be sun shine and chirping birds.

So, this is the year of HD for Apple. Last year was the year of hardware.

Thinking back last year, Apple did not do a lot of amazing things in the hardware arena last year. Will Apple pull through with it's HD theme? They will have to do a lot more than just come out with some new versions of their pro video applications.

Apple has the potential to have amazing hardware offerings, but what's holding them back? Do they want to catch up with Intel and AMD? Apple know that us Mac users are thirsty for new technology, but fail to deliver.

What is Apple's logic for not advancing better than they could? While I understand it cost them a lot of R&D money to do a complete new architecture every time there is a change in technology, will we ever get ahead again?
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Thinking back last year, Apple did not do a lot of amazing things in the hardware arena last year.
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iPod photo?
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iMac G5 ?

and the PowerMac went to 2.5Ghz

To answer your question.. I think Apple planed on IBM being able to step up to the plate a little more than they did

Let me ask this question: What more would you have want?
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post #3 of 70
PM G5 at 3.0 GHz
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Apple's top line products are taking ages to come out, no doubt. Though since when was Apple the king of technology? Do you expect Apple to be making breakthroughs and godlike feats of engineering every year?

Come on. Lighten up.

They are just another company, that make great products. Just like sony, pioneer, nintendo etc, who also aren't releasing spectacular hardware all the time. And those guys aren't a "sad reality" either.
post #5 of 70
I'm not understanding how Apple fails to "pull through" the HD theme by "just" updating the pro video apps.

What they are offering right now is a tremendously powerful software suite at a killer price that gives you industry leading HD edit and content creation tools, integrated as a package like no other solution, and which run very well indeed on current hardware.

What were you expecting the "year of HD" to be, exactly? HD iPods? Entry level machines that can do real time HD effects? An Apple branded HD satellite system?

Jeez.
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post #6 of 70
Everybody knows I think their hardware has become a joke. They have lost touch with reality. They believe that the iPod, Mini, and iMac will prevail, and users will keep returning for the Barbi computer. Apple has become Naive. Without a core computer that shows what they are made of they have nothing to stand on. Their OS will not be the makings of their future without a performance workstation to set the pace of new technology to come in their other products.

My 2¢
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Also keep in mind that the whole pace of the industry has slowed down over the last few years. Chips are taking longer to ramp up on all sides, software projects are enormous undertakings, and people are more concerned about security and it "just working" than a ton of new features. Also, as far as operating systems go, think of how much is already built in. Not to mention all of the things for developers who will be making cool apps for you. Oh, and Apple was early with Tiger. If you think Apple pace of innovation is slow, good thing you are not a MS fanboy...
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post #8 of 70
Yeah. I think the new Pro apps (and iMovie HD) and Tiger make a great lineup on the software side. And every piece of Apple software (ok, the vast majority) must run on a piece of Apple hardware, so they make money twice. Sure, any of the apps may not be the FASTEST in the universe, but they are darn nice.

I think Apple (and the rest of us who follow their products) are still stinging from IBM's "promise" to reach 3GHz and then missing. Unfortunately, the whole CPU industry started hitting performance walls right when Apple made lots of hoopla about bustin' out with the G5. Fortunately, IBM has lots of experience with high-end server chips and that technology can/should trickle down to Apple's products.

Personally, I REALLY hope this dual-core chatter pans out on both the G4 and G5 sides. I'd like to see Apple release some "swing for the fences" hardware rather than the anemic Mac mini with whimpy GPUs they've been putting out. I just don't know if the business fundamentals are there to make a "swing for the fences" hardware attempt work. And not just from a "will people buy it" point of view; but the part supply, support, hardware glitch (see new trackpads), etc. point of view.

Apple will ALWAYS be reliant on a third party to supply their CPUs. That will always hurt them if the supplier becomes incompetent (Moto), or loses interest in CPUs appropriate for Apple (Moto), or hits technical blocks (IBM).

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post #9 of 70
No company can be completely independent and produce all its own technology (though Sony tries pretty hard). Apple cannot and should not got that route.

Opening up part of their dependences might make the future more secure. For example: if IBM can't deliver a fast enough CPU, why not also support x86 CPUs? Steve Jobs himself has said that while they are a good hardware company, they are an even better software company.

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post #10 of 70
Hardware and software tend to leapfrog each other, no matter who's making the hardware and software.

The introduction of Mac OS 10.4 and Final Cut Studio is just the latest iteration of this cycle for us MacFolk. One thing's for sure: no dual G5 machines, no Final Cut Studio. The hardware just wasn't there to support the software.

Sure, IBM had problems getting faster chips out, but so did everyone else. The Mini has made a huge difference in mindshare, as well.

I think this thread's a bit unduly pessimistic.
post #11 of 70
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Originally posted by onlooker
Everybody knows I think their hardware has become a joke. They have lost touch with reality. They believe that the iPod, Mini, and iMac will prevail, and users will keep returning for the Barbi computer. Apple has become Naive. Without a core computer that shows what they are made of they have nothing to stand on. Their OS will not be the makings of their future without a performance workstation to set the pace of new technology to come in their other products.

My 2¢

Are you trolling here? It sure smells like it to me.
post #12 of 70
This post is in the wrong forum.

After reading through I don't think the original poster has made much of a case supporting their thesis statement.

"Why is Apple in trouble?" I can't see why nor do I see any substantive information on where exactly Apple is behind.

Second I don't listen to PC users for hardware advice. Especially if they use Windows. I might listen to a PC user running Linux but no way do I take advice from the typical PC user that doesn't know shit.

I want some information and not hyperbole about how Apple's hardware offering aren't up to snuff. I keep hearing dogs bray about silly shit like PCI Express and SLI. Shit those technologies don't put any more food on the table than AGP and PCI-X.

Someone please tell me why Power Macs are so behind even after being out for a freakin' year.


I wish some on you would grow some fuckin' balls and put your pc loving friends in place rather than continually bend over. Shit you have a Unix based OS running on a dual proc system with two FSB that are faster than Intels fastest and your STILL complaining.

fucking whiny Mac users. Turns my stomach.
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post #13 of 70
I think the plan has always been to go to the cell type MP system and heat problems with the die shrink brought to light problems earleir than IBM and Apple had thought with respect to the 970 line. So instead of wasting a lot of resources fine-tuning the 970 they decided to put upgrading the 970 on hold...
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post #14 of 70
I think it's funny that the future some how is reality.
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This post is in the wrong forum.

After reading through I don't think the original poster has made much of a case supporting their thesis statement.

"Why is Apple in trouble?" I can't see why nor do I see any substantive information on where exactly Apple is behind.

Second I don't listen to PC users for hardware advice. Especially if they use Windows. I might listen to a PC user running Linux but no way do I take advice from the typical PC user that doesn't know shit.

I want some information and not hyperbole about how Apple's hardware offering aren't up to snuff. I keep hearing dogs bray about silly shit like PCI Express and SLI. Shit those technologies don't put any more food on the table than AGP and PCI-X.

Someone please tell me why Power Macs are so behind even after being out for a freakin' year.


I wish some on you would grow some fuckin' balls and put your pc loving friends in place rather than continually bend over. Shit you have a Unix based OS running on a dual proc system with two FSB that are faster than Intels fastest and your STILL complaining.

fucking whiny Mac users. Turns my stomach.

I wish I could find something more to say than..."amen".
post #16 of 70
You know hmurchison I totally agree with you! I am a 3D modeler/animator and I work exclusively on OSX for all my needs and I work on 3d model datasets that range anywhere from 300-700mb(not counting textures, someimes GBs) Some of these files won't even open on a windows box(doens't matter how much ram I throw in them) The speed of the Dual G5(coupled with its bandwidth) is more than comparable to whatever the windows world has. Sure it may not be the absolute fastest, but it works and it does it ever so efficiently. An example: using Mental Ray as my primary renderer(or even the maya software renderer) the memory limitations posed by the(current flavor) of wndows does not allow for the rendering of these massive datasets, at all period. I currently use a dual G5(2 Ghz) and 4 Dual G5 Xserves when creating my imagery. I know when I leave at the end of the day my render passes are gonna be there, ready to composite in Shake in the morning. I then take those passes into FCP, lay in whatever sound/music finish then send out to DVD Studio Pro. I'm tired of the silly complaints when guess what I get my work done(and very fast) and I get to go home at a reasonable hour and know my rendering WILL get done.

my two cents,

Gary Haus
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Gary Haus:

You're the type of person who is actually doing something with their computer that generates income. This mindset is far different than the person building a computer for bragging rights.

I'm continually told that Powermac architecture is old and pathetic but the reality is that when the Powermac debuted almost a year ago it was far beyond what the typical PC offered.

Dual Gighertz FSB.
Hyperstransport links
PCI-X and FW800

It's been almost a year and the PC motherboards are just now starting to catch up. Judging from the products that are coming out it seems that PCI Express is still a non-issue for hardware developers. At NAB going on right now I'm still seeing PCI-X as the preferred card. The new SATA card systems use PCI-X because PCI doesn't support the throughput needed for 8 150MBs channels.

I agree with Onlooker that right now OS X needs some high-end Nvidia cards. Bringing the Quadro and FireGL lines to OSX would be nice. SLI would be nice but I'm not going to slit my wrist if it doesn't happen either.

Often I find that the person complaining about computer hardware generally doesn't have a firm grasp hardware in general. I'm no specialist myself but I try to at least have a working knowledge what technologies are out there. I'm also pragmatic about the industry. Too often we are sold the "sizzle" and not the steak. The question needs to be "can I make more money with this technology?" if that answer is no then it's time to rethink the value of that "upgrade"

We know that new hardware is coming. Mac users just tend to get antsy at the end of a cycle and you see more "doom and gloom" threads than normal. It's only natural because these people don't have workflows that are finely tuned like many in the 3D, Audio and Video industries. Meaning they don't have to fret over just how this upgrade is going to affect their "comfort zone" and workflow.

Folks it's not the tool generally it's the artist. The more time we spend yapping about dual core pentiums and opterons the less we are being productive. I'm guilty to. I wouldn't have damn near 5000 posts if I was out capturing more video and getting ready to build a little audio/video home studio.
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post #18 of 70
Higher end workstation cards would def. be very NICE! All the other points you made are perfectly valid. In addition the workflow from a software standpoint and an OS standpoint really can't be matched. I started 3D on SGI machines back in 92 and even worked on $350,000 desk side Onyx worksations and all I gotta say is I'm still on UNIX and these things(970 based machines) just totally work well, and at the end of the day that is ALL that matters. Sure 'having-the-fastest-latest-tech' box is cool and it would be nice to have faster/more powerful GPUs and even CPUs, but I get my work done and I get it done WELL and FAST! Thanks for your points. Now back to work...

Cheers,

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post #19 of 70
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Originally posted by onlooker
Everybody knows I think their hardware has become a joke. They have lost touch with reality. They believe that the iPod, Mini, and iMac will prevail, and users will keep returning for the Barbi computer. Apple has become Naive. Without a core computer that shows what they are made of they have nothing to stand on. Their OS will not be the makings of their future without a performance workstation to set the pace of new technology to come in their other products.

My 2¢

well if it's a joke i don't get it. Everything looks fine to me. If you look at apple's quarterly results most people don't seem to have any real problems with current hardware. Apple's whole lineup is in need of an update. It's all coming up soon I promise. But just because they're hardware needs to be updated doesn't mean it's the end of the world.

One thing is for sure, Apple's current lineup is no where near as bad as it was back in the G4 PowerMac days.
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post #20 of 70
OMG!
Apple teh dOOmed!!!!!!111



It's just a fact of life that one company won't always have the best price/performance ratio all of the time... or even most of the time. Hell, if apple can even come close, they're competative, considering that they've got other selling points.
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hmurchison you keep saying that PCI-E is a non issue for hardware developers, but all I see is PCI-E on Nvidia, and ATI's best cards. All anybody wants it for is graphics right now anyway. So why is that such a non issue? NForce4 Pro - side by side with a PowerMac G5 motherboard - Can you list the feature differences for both?
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hmurchison you keep saying that PCI-E is a non issue for hardware developers, but all I see is PCI-E on Nvidia, and ATI's best cards. All anybody wants it for is graphics right now anyway. So why is that such a non issue? NForce4 Pro - side by side with a PowerMac G5 motherboard - Can you list the feature differences for both?

You missed his point. PCI-E is coming! Dual core is coming! Tiger is coming! But if some features are not here this month or even this year, it's not the end of the world. It's a competitive industry, and sometimes Apple will have leading features, sometimes not. We all wish Apple was always leading, so it's easy to get down on Apple when the innovations seem slow in coming.
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Second I don't listen to PC users for hardware advice. Especially if they use Windows. I might listen to a PC user running Linux but no way do I take advice from the typical PC user that doesn't know shit.
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fucking whiny Mac users. Turns my stomach.

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post #24 of 70
I think alot of these theories are dead wrong for they don't factor in the age `ol problem of ridding yourself of SURPLUS.

Companies utilize market hype all the time, they just don't upset you as much b/c they're not items of affectionate addiction; if you disagree then why are you arguing with me on AppleInsider.com.

The fact of the matter:

- powermac sales are low, there is a surplus of chipsets and procs to rid before NEXT GEN.

- Tiger has created hype, it run faster than Panther on current G5 chipsets.

- Apple Retail is doing well; I'm sure they're hoping to release alot of surplus G5s via ipod 'halo effect' & Tiger hype.

Moral of the story:

- enjoy gleeming eyes from the public (ie: in-store demos; stores seeing over a million visitors a week mind you) as Tiger re-invents the operating system.

- use it to sell current powermacs to 'naive window switchers'.

- announce 'NEXT GEN' powermac at WWDC -- "one month" AFTER FinalCut ships; that's not THAT long.

- sell even more powermacs.

i think something along those lines is a bit more accurate to their current position.

apple owns your face. quit gettin those panties in a wad.
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The more time we spend yapping about dual core pentiums and opterons the less we are being productive. I'm guilty to. I wouldn't have damn near 5000 posts if I was out capturing more video and getting ready to build a little audio/video home studio. [/B]

Let me brag about my productivity as evidenced by my post count, then! (says the guy @slacker.com)
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And just to really stick my oar in...

Can you ever see the day when the hardware just doesn't sell and the only option is to make OS X available to Intel/AMD platforms? Would Steve just let Apple cease trading rather than do that?

What, and I'm not saying this on purpose to troll, what if Microsoft pull a blinder with Longhorn and people begin switching BACK? What is the future of OS X? Any one know?
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hmurchison you keep saying that PCI-E is a non issue for hardware developers, but all I see is PCI-E on Nvidia, and ATI's best cards. All anybody wants it for is graphics right now anyway. So why is that such a non issue? NForce4 Pro - side by side with a PowerMac G5 motherboard - Can you list the feature differences for both?

Nah I'm not trying to trivialize it for the future. I think PCI Express isn't of much demonstrable value today other than niche markets. That could change for the future and what PCI Express does give you is future proofing. That nForce Pro board is VERY nice and is the superior of Apple's board. I'm happy thought because Apple had a majority of those specs almost a year ago. That kind of makes you have to wonder what they have cooking right now. Sadly whatever the next "big thing" is we aren't likely to see it until January 2006.
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You missed his point. PCI-E is coming! Dual core is coming! Tiger is coming! But if some features are not here this month or even this year, it's not the end of the world. It's a competitive industry, and sometimes Apple will have leading features, sometimes not. We all wish Apple was always leading, so it's easy to get down on Apple when the innovations seem slow in coming.

You know thats probably the best post I've read.
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As a pretty recent switcher (mac mini, now a 12" pb, last years model) and a guy that used to spend thousands on the latest windows rigs to play online games, I have to say my view of 2005 Apple is that I'm very impressed. iLife, iWork, shuffle, iPods, Airport Express, very nice stuff.

I miss having a 6800 GPU and a super fast gaming rig, but now with OS X, I have some peace of mind, spending my time enjoying music, photos and movies. Things work well and it makes me happy to say my life is better for it.

If all that Apple shows this year for new hardware is better BTO options for GPU's, more ram and perhaps a dual core G4 'book...I'd be extremely happy.

All this great stuff already and Tiger coming up? What's not to like? Tiger makes this a great year on its own.

I'm sure the high end goodies will be very impressive nonetheless but they aren't targeted for me so its been a great year and its only April!
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Nice post Sandau and welcome to the boards!
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The interesting thing about the Macintosh faithful is that you be pessimistic about the hardware and one is a troll, you be optimistic about the hardware and you are a god, and have much respect and are in the "in crowd."

All I am sayinging is, how many times have we said "it's coming in the next update.....no no no.....the next update......no, now I know it will be in this update" and on and on. How many times have you really said "it is coming in the next update" and it actually arrive? Or, a truly, amazing breakthrough is announced from only Apple first that make the all around solutions that they currently offer work hand and hand, foot and foot as a monstrous workstation of a beast? I can name a couple, but not many.

I am not arguing that Apple know how to make killer solutions that are way ahead of their competition by a ten fold because lets face it, Apple is and always will be ahead of the game in innovation.

It is also interesting that while we are in idle grounds I will post a pessimistic view on where Apple is going hardware wise yet more than half of the AI crowd will boo at this or at that once new hardware is out because, they are simply not satisfied and feel Apple could do better.

Apple makes grade A + software, but why can't they have grade A + hardware to match? I am not asking for the fastest workstation on earth, but one that will really show their true potential with both their hardware and their software.

The future remains unseen, but based on the past we are moving ahead by taking a step or two back first.
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iPod photo?
iPod mini ?
iMac G5 ?

and the PowerMac went to 2.5Ghz

There are faster machines than the iMac G5 and PMG52.5 in the PC world with more features for cheaper, and this was even the case when they were released.

I also think they should've added more drive bays in the PMG5

As for the iPods.. yesterday's chips with today's hard drives, is all I'm saying. Anyone could do what "Apple" has done (btw Apple did not come up with the iPod's technology).

Apple isn't even in the top 50 most-patenting companies, and is 92 in R&D spending--not much, considering they're almost, if not already, a fortune 100 company.

Apple specializes in repackaging and refining other people's technology. That's the iPod, the G5, OS X, the whole show. They do a great job of it, but it's not really innovative.. it's sadly more like what Bill Gates did with Winblows--repackage and resell Mac OS. The difference is, Apple usually pays for their tech.
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I find it hard to complain really because I experience true pain. Seeing the Powermac G4 stuck at 500Mhz for 18 months was something of an experience.

Seeing a Dual 2.5Ghz Powermac G5 at almost a year pales in comparison. There just ain't much I can't do with today's Powermac.

The problem stems from having a diverse amount of views. Some people like to see immediate value for their money. Some people like to see future proof computers. Some want the cheapest price and so on.

I think we all tend to get bored before a refresh and its normal for Mac fans to get antsy. We've known about dual core AMD and Intel for months. But we don't know what's in the next Powermac and that's killing some of us.

I don't think the reality for Apple is sad at all. They've doubled their market cap and they have yet to display their hand regarding the next direction of iTunes. They are shipping the most complete OS X version ever this month. Apple doesn't ebb forward in updates they take big leaps.

Even if we only get 2.7Ghz at the top end that computer will be competitive enough to hold its own. The future likely has never been brighter. I know it sounds like i'm drinking the kool aid but I'm not. I use both platforms and the PC market is "ok" but I'm not all that crazy about the hardware over there either. Guess I'm just as impressed with PCI Express yet. There still isn't a killer app for Express that I'm just chomping to get at.

It'll come..but right now I'm seeing more excitement in the ancillary equipment that connects to the digital hub.
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There are faster machines than the iMac G5 and PMG52.5 in the PC world with more features for cheaper, and this was even the case when they were released.

Do they run OS X?

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I also think they should've added more drive bays in the PMG5

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As for the iPods.. yesterday's chips with today's hard drives, is all I'm saying. Anyone could do what "Apple" has done (btw Apple did not come up with the iPod's technology)

But they didn't which is the most amazing thing. Why does Apple continously find that niche where their products make sense? I know PC companies "could" do it but they don't generally.

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Apple isn't even in the top 50 most-patenting companies, and is 92 in R&D spending--not much, considering they're almost, if not already, a fortune 100 company

That's efficiency

Repackage or not doesn't really matter. I'm always looking for the proverbial better mousetrap.
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You don't have to run OS X to be efficient. You can run Linux, any of the BSDs, or Solaris for that matter.

Just because they can't run OS X, doesn't mean that x86/64 hardware isn't better, faster, and cheaper. It is, and this is a hard fact, not a relative point of view.
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
You don't have to run OS X to be efficient. You can run Linux, any of the BSDs, or Solaris for that matter.

Just because they can't run OS X, doesn't mean that x86/64 hardware isn't better, faster, and cheaper. It is, and this is a hard fact, not a relative point of view.

Add shake is still faster in linux. Probably a hardware thing.
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Yes but there's a reason why Linux is a freely downloadable OS yet still hasn't usurped Windows. It's not up to the level that the masses expect for desktop computing.

Just for a gander folks go peek at Apple.com and click on the "Hardware" and "Software" links. Apple manages a lot of products and frankly I'm impressed with their execution on most of it.

Are we to be impressed with Wintel who just now is moving to dual core after the whole ideology behind Netburst crumbled with Intels problems with clocking? Or Microsoft who's peddling OS X Tiger technologies a year removed in Longhorn.

The grass always looks greener folks. That proverb stands the test of time, a testament to its truth in many of us.

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Originally posted by cubedcompanies
The fact of the matter:

- powermac sales are low, there is a surplus of chipsets and procs to rid before NEXT GEN.
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So, in that case, why doesn't Apple REDUCE the price of the PowerMac line to get rid of these surplus chips? After all, we all know that in reality the G5 Towers are too expensive for what they offer in real-world performance - and before you say it, yes I understand that you have to pay a lot of cash to get an equally powerful Wintel/AMD box, but at least those machines are easily CPU upgradable, something you're not likely to see in the PMG5 anytime soon! \ I'm no fan of PCs, but at least you can protect your investment to a larger degree buying a PC than with an Apple.
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Originally posted by telekon
So, in that case, why doesn't Apple REDUCE the price of the PowerMac line to get rid of these surplus chips? After all, we all know that in reality the G5 Towers are too expensive for what they offer in real-world performance - and before you say it, yes I understand that you have to pay a lot of cash to get an equally powerful Wintel/AMD box, but at least those machines are easily CPU upgradable, something you're not likely to see in the PMG5 anytime soon! \ I'm no fan of PCs, but at least you can protect your investment to a larger degree buying a PC than with an Apple.

I think it is just flogging dead horses -
this whole argue about apple prices
compared to the PC competition.

I don't want to repeat every argument, why this
battlefield is a timewaster big time.

But the "Wintel/AMD boxes are easily upgradable" and
"PCs at least can protect your investment to a larger degree
than apple computers" argument is utter trash.

In the real world (AV-studios, grafic, music, video,
film you name it) Apple computers are in use until
they die (after 8-10 years). They handle all tasks
as supposed to do.
Windows based systems are in use until the next
major software update is released. ("Shall i get this
upgrade processor for 500 bucks, or shall i get
an entire new system for 1000 bucks.")
Someone do the math.

Tech supporting costs, anyone?
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That's efficiency

Repackage or not doesn't really matter. I'm always looking for the proverbial better mousetrap.

Well it's OBVIOUSLY more efficient to just BUY startups instead of innovating yourself (that's not sarcastic).. the point is, Apple is not that innovative, and is probably not even in my top 50 "most innovative" list.

Apple just markets, repackages, and writes good code. Everything else they sell was/is made by some other company.

IBM, for example, obtained THE MOST patents of any company in 2004 (they've been in the top 10 for decades). Naturally, Apple latches onto them and offers to put the "Apple Stank" on their products, which they happily agree.

There's nothing wrong, with it, and obviously Apple has had a good eye for what products are good to market and what aren't. It's almost ingenious really--they compile ideas from all different sources and then resell them for huge margins.

In fact, without companies like Apple, there wouldn't be nearly the demand for the niche products like the iPod chip-set or the software they use. Just look at what happened to FreeBSD: that flavor practically exploded when Apple started pushing it along.

You can say Apple makes the best stuff out there, you can say they write good code and sell good products.. You can't say, however, that they're anywhere close to being "innovative." Apple are the engineers and marketers, they simply buy the innovators.
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