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On the heels of expected product line refreshes from Apple Computer, a recent analysis of the company's retail channels revealed a slow-down in the hardware sector, with several products showing signs they'll soon be replaced with newer models.

iMacs and eMacs

According to the data, which is based on flow thru and orders to Apple, both the iMac G5 and eMac G4 are showing a trend that is seen when a product is about to be replaced or refreshed.

As previously reported, Apple is expected to bump its iMac offerings to from 1.6GHz and 1.8GHz with 256MB of RAM to 1.8GHz and 2.0GHz. All models are expected to boast 512MB of RAM. Meanwhile, new eMacs are also due, with expectations pointing to only marginal increases in specs. The eMac enclosure will reportedly remain the same.

Power Macs and iBooks

Also following a similar trend to the iMac and eMac are Apple's iBook G4 and Power Mac G5 product lines. In the case of Power Macs, data shows supply to be well ahead of demand, while iBooks have reached a supply/demand equilibrium.

Sources last month said iBook updates were near complete, but like the eMacs they'll only see slight improvements in specs. iBooks are expected to gain improved video cards, 512MB of standard RAM and a 1.33GHz processor on the low-end of the product line. iBooks will likely top out at either 1.42GHz or 1.5GHz, sources said, with manufacturing being handled by Asustek.

Likewise, a ThinkSecret report puts Power Mac revisions at 2.0GHz, 2.3GHz, and 2.7GHz with 512MB of standard RAM and either a 128MB ATI Radeon 9600 or 256MB ATI Radeon 9650 video card. Sources said Apple recently performed a test production run of new Power Macs at Foxconn's manufacturing facilities in China.

Displays

Interestingly, the data analysis obtained by AppleInsider shows that Apple's Cinema Display product line is also following a trend that is usually seen prior to updates. However, there has yet to be any reliable information to suggest new display models are on the way, and insiders speculate that consumers may be holding out on display purchases until new Power Macs are introduced.

Mac mini

Sources tell AppleInsider that Apple is planning to introduce new Macs next Tuesday the 26th of April. At some point, sources say the Mac mini will also see a revision that includes 512MB of RAM. Unlike the aforementioned Apple desktop Macs, the Mac mini continues to see significant demand, though even it has slowed recently.

Flagship iPods

Shedding light on Apple's music-related hardware offerings, data shows both of Apple's iPod photo models to be in ample supply, with supply of the 20GB monochrome display iPod nearly inline with demand. The U2 Special Edition iPod remains on backorder, though wait times are declining.

iPod mini

Focusing on Apple's new 6GB iPod mini, data shows demand for the players to be staggered but approaching a balance. Of the four models Apple offers, only the silver model is considered to be in short supply. The pink model is the second favorite amongst consumers, while blue and green units trail, currently at a supply/demand balance.

iPod shuffle

Of course then there is Apple's flash-based iPod shuffle, which to the surprise of insiders is expected to meet a complete supply/demand balance within the next several days -- data indicates that inventory of both the 512MB and 1GB models will be available to retailers and resellers on a "need it now" basis.

What remains largely uncertain is whether Apple will announce all of its CPU-based product revisions on a single day, or if it will spread the announcements slightly. There are also rumors that iBooks could see some form of price cuts in May, but its unclear if this pertains to new or dated models.
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Could it be slowing because of the expected Tiger release? It would put people off surely.
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Well, I would order immediately order a Mac Mini, if it had 512MB standard. I'm not saying I won't be one now, as a second mac eventually, but 512 would make it nice. However, with it being the very bottom of the Mac line, I just don't see them making the Mac Mini 512 in the near future, but I hope I'm wrong.
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I knew Apple would have beer off not producing PowerMacs too far ahead of sales. This one was not going to sell. It looked like a stop gap to me. Everyone new that new technology was around the corner.
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The iBooks sound nice .. assuming it turns out to be true of course lol
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and NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra video cards with 64MB of Video RAM.

This is starting to look like the worst update cycle, ever.
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Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch
This is starting to look like the worst update cycle, ever.

I think the VIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra cards are going to be in macs until 2010, at the earliest.
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You guys are getting carried away over nothing...! As long as we can always be assured that the iPod line will always be refreshed, and up-to-date....
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I think the VIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra cards are going to be in macs until 2010, at the earliest.

this is really funny cause its true
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Yippee! New earbuds coming out.
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Hmm. AI says 5200 in iMac and TS says 9600 in iMac. Who is right?
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Originally posted by ibook911
Well, I would order immediately order a Mac Mini, if it had 512MB standard. I'm not saying I won't be one now, as a second mac eventually, but 512 would make it nice. However, with it being the very bottom of the Mac line, I just don't see them making the Mac Mini 512 in the near future, but I hope I'm wrong.

The reason they're bumping the RAM is because of Dashboard. Widgets take up RAM and are constantly running, and since Dashboard is a major feature, everyone's going to use it. If consumers have machines with 256mb RAM and upgrade to Tiger, it's not going to be a pleasant experience. The Translation widget and Weather widget take up 128mb of RAM just by themselves.
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has apple opened up that one ram slot on the ibook to increase its max ram potential? if not, i'd bet dollars to donuts that's part of the "upgrade" too, and they'll tout "higher maximum ram" as a new feature, when really they'll just have removed one of the unnecessary restrictions from the past. that and maybe spanning video (still possible with a hack). that might offset any disgruntled consumers who wanted a larger jump in processor speeds int he ibook line.
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At work today I was told there was money in the budget for me to order a new PowerMac and that I should order before the week was over. Gotta stall, gotta stall...
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The reason they're bumping the RAM is because of Dashboard. Widgets take up RAM and are constantly running, and since Dashboard is a major feature, everyone's going to use it. If consumers have machines with 256mb RAM and upgrade to Tiger, it's not going to be a pleasant experience. The Translation widget and Weather widget take up 128mb of RAM just by themselves.


Can you somehow Quit Dashboard in Tiger? I don't need Dashboard running constantly because I don't need a translation tool constantly, so a 128 mb of RAM could be freed.

Thanks for your answer.
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I sure as h3ll hope so.
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At work today I was told there was money in the budget for me to order a new PowerMac and that I should order before the week was over. Gotta stall, gotta stall...

Order one in the morning and be thrilled. I would.
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Can you somehow Quit Dashboard in Tiger? I don't need Dashboard running constantly because I don't need a translation tool constantly, so a 128 mb of RAM could be freed.

Thanks for your answer.

You can't quit Dashboard. It's always running like the Finder. When you install Panther none of the widgets are enabled, so you can keep them turned off if you don't use some.
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The reason they're bumping the RAM is because of Dashboard. Widgets take up RAM and are constantly running, and since Dashboard is a major feature, everyone's going to use it. If consumers have machines with 256mb RAM and upgrade to Tiger, it's not going to be a pleasant experience. The Translation widget and Weather widget take up 128mb of RAM just by themselves.

uhh, i just checked activity monitor and its only showing 4 to 8mb per dashboard daemon (and if you have duplicates such as world clock, they don't count as extras). These are simple javascripts and they don't run constantly as a matter of fact they don't refresh until you pull up Dashboard...and then sometimes it takes a couple seconds. Heck my stock ticker sometimes reverts apple to $24 for some weird reason, must be a default. And since the they are all web enabled, they don't work if you aren't online. Major feature? Not in my book. Cool item..yeah. Nice to have the weather and junk available but its really just Konfabulator, those poor souls.
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Order one in the morning and be thrilled. I would.

I was going to order a Dual 2.0 which currently sells for $2,500. If PowerMacs are refreshed as reported by TS then the Dual 2.0 will slide in to the price point of the current Dual 1.8, or $2,000. For $500 I can wait.
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these hardwares updates make me extremely depressed... what the hell are they doing in the hardware labs???? hardware should precede software, and right now apple just introduced all these great POWER applications and soon tiger when there isnt any sufficient power in current hardware to use these applications to their fullest extent... i mean what the hell....honestly...and no im not some switcher...ive touched a PC twice in my entire life... i just cant stand this insanity...give us power...give us graphics...give us something except for 200 Mhz, minimal gpu changes, and 512 ram every six months...
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I was going to order a Dual 2.0 which currently sells for $2,500. If PowerMacs are refreshed as reported by TS then the Dual 2.0 will slide in to the price point of the current Dual 1.8, or $2,000. For $500 I can wait.

And hope there's still money in the budget when you're ready.
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heh, I'd be happy if Steve-o said...let's make this the year of HD...and made all the 'book screens widescreen and said "let them all have nVidia GeForce GO 6800 cards standard!!" And the faithful cheered! And asked, oh lord of the iPod, where is our dual dual 'book? We are lacking.
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uhh, i just checked activity monitor and its only showing 4 to 8mb per dashboard daemon (and if you have duplicates such as world clock, they don't count as extras). These are simple javascripts and they don't run constantly as a matter of fact they don't refresh until you pull up Dashboard...and then sometimes it takes a couple seconds. Heck my stock ticker sometimes reverts apple to $24 for some weird reason, must be a default. And since the they are all web enabled, they don't work if you aren't online. Major feature? Not in my book. Cool item..yeah. Nice to have the weather and junk available but its really just Konfabulator, those poor souls.

My Activity Monitor says Translation is using 65mb and Weather is using 60mb. The rest of the widgets come in from 2-5 mb. Unless there's a memory leak or something, the world of widgets is going to suck up RAM.
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My Activity Monitor says Translation is using 65mb and Weather is using 60mb. The rest of the widgets come in from 2-5 mb. Unless there's a memory leak or something, the world of widgets is going to suck up RAM.

my translator is at 6.8mb. Maybe English to French doesn't suck up as much...haha. I'll keep watching it.

But I'm agreed on that the more widgets you install the more ram you might need. But as good as Apple's are with managing ram, I don't think there will be too much problem.
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Apple engineers are saying the ram footprint of Dashboard should be minimal. Sounds like the excessive memory taken up by some Widgets is another issue altogether.
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Apple engineers are saying the ram footprint of Dashboard should be minimal. Sounds like the excessive memory taken up by some Widgets is another issue altogether.

But if you don't have any widgets on, or bring any out will they still suck up resources?
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You can't quit Dashboard. It's always running like the Finder. When you install Panther none of the widgets are enabled, so you can keep them turned off if you don't use some.

dang, then I should continue using Konfabulator.

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But if you don't have any widgets on, or bring any out will they still suck up resources?

I watched a video from Apple's sales site where the engineer said the Widgets are supposed to "quiesce" from RAM and offer no hit when they are gone.

I tend to think this isn't quite the whole story. I could see a Daemon running in the background as Sandau alluded to. If Widgets are taking up 60MB then that sounds like a memory leak that need to be plugged asap.
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At work today I was told there was money in the budget for me to order a new PowerMac and that I should order before the week was over. Gotta stall, gotta stall...

dude, totally you gotta order before your budget dries up or mysteriously gets appropriated by someone else....

unless you're a genius at stalling and can push it out 1-2 weeks. good luck matey

if you pull it off we'd all like to hear how you did it
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Apple engineers are saying the ram footprint of Dashboard should be minimal. Sounds like the excessive memory taken up by some Widgets is another issue altogether.

They are basically just webpages.
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Veeeeery interesting! The nVidia Geforce 5200 is gone from the AI news?

Someone was a bit to quick copying from TS? Nah nah..
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Veeeeery interesting! The nVidia Geforce 5200 is gone from the AI news?

Now that explains it, I am reading about the 5200 and this is nowhere in the article. Apparently I missed the original version. By the way, for what machine this was?
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Now that explains it, I am reading about the 5200 and this is nowhere in the article. Apparently I missed the original version. By the way, for what machine this was?

IIRC they were bitching about it still being in the iMac...

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oops my bad.. jesus christ its in apple's powerMac G5s
same as in the iMac g5s... no wonder people are so turned off by the powerMac range....

you only get a ATI RADEON 9600 with the dual 2.5ghz, otherwise right now it's a 5200 for you baby... or of course built-to-order to get a better graphic card....
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if you pull it off we'd all like to hear how you did it

Simple, It's a small company and I'm one of the the three executives of the corporation so it won't be hard to suggest that we wait.
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My Activity Monitor says Translation is using 65mb and Weather is using 60mb. The rest of the widgets come in from 2-5 mb. Unless there's a memory leak or something, the world of widgets is going to suck up RAM.

um Translation is using 65mb and Weather 60mb? that's very very naughty. given the web-based (javascript, html, flash, css) architecture of Widgets, they shouldn't be sucking up that much RAM.

dude maybe you need a fresher build of Translation and Weather widgets?


good luck matey...
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Simple, It's a small company and I'm one of the the three executives of the corporation so it won't be hard to suggest that we wait.

awesome. then i agree you should wait... yay! new powermac for you!
dual 2.5ghz with 1GB Ram, 120GB hard disk and ATI Radeon 96xx for $2500?


being a designer/middle-manager/peon my previous experience with budgets have been pretty bad, it was a totally use-it-or-lose-it-situation. except when i got enough buy-in on what to use it for it was gone already

but i'm only 26, i will live to fight again...

*sigh* also one day i will own a PowerMac G5 again...
(had to sell my personal not work single 1.6ghz powermac g5 a year ago... that thing was fast on pure-CPU stuff like Reason 2.5 software synthesis)
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Well, I assume that dashboard is using WebCore, and since safari doesn't take very long to suck up all my free memory even if I'm only browsing a single forum in one tab (currently 200 MB of real memory and almost 500mb of virtual memory ), I will conclude that WebCore's shitty memory management is probably to blame for the report of a widget taking up 50+ MB of ram over time.
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these hardwares updates make me extremely depressed... what the hell are they doing in the hardware labs???? hardware should precede software, and right now apple just introduced all these great POWER applications and soon tiger when there isnt any sufficient power in current hardware to use these applications to their fullest extent... i mean what the hell....honestly...and no im not some switcher...ive touched a PC twice in my entire life... i just cant stand this insanity...give us power...give us graphics...give us something except for 200 Mhz, minimal gpu changes, and 512 ram every six months...

I have to agree. And I could care less about 3GHz or whatever. About a year ago, Apple released the current crop of crap they call their professional line. And, unless I missed something along the way, except for goosing the CPU or maybe defaulting a larger hard drive, these were just updates to the previous years model. If the TS rumors are true, it means another 'refresh', goosing a little processor, adding more RAM, maybe putting in a non-crappy video card standard. Wow. I'm so impressed. You'd think in over two years time Apple could figure out a way to make the computer better? You know, slap in some PCI-Express love, throw in faster bus speeds or upgrade the RAM specs.

Since the original G5s were released in June 2003, has Apple done ANY actual improvement to the enclosure, motherboard, etc?

At the moment, Apple is just the laughingstock of the hardware world. The G5 is the biggest computer I've seen, and there's room for only one internal media drive, and two hard drives. Can't they figure out a way to (a) make the computer smaller, and/or (b) figure out a way to let users actually use all that space for their benefit. I'm tired of having 3 Firewire hard disks sitting on my desk, let alone a firewire CD/DVD player.
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At the moment, Apple is just the laughingstock of the hardware world. The G5 is the biggest computer I've seen, and there's room for only one internal media drive, and two hard drives. Can't they figure out a way to (a) make the computer smaller, and/or (b) figure out a way to let users actually use all that space for their benefit. I'm tired of having 3 Firewire hard disks sitting on my desk, let alone a firewire CD/DVD player.

hence powerbook G5 being 'the mother of all thermal challenges'...
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