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Three thousand, two hundred and ninety-nine dollars.

It's impossible to talk about Apple Computer's new 17-inch PowerBook without mentioning the cost. This laptop is a remarkable piece of work, with the biggest screen anybody has ever put into a portable computer, and it carries a price tag to match.

Most people will never spend this much on a computer -- the over-$3,000 price bracket tends to be limited to things like cars and houses. (If you must know, this PowerBook actually costs more than my car.) So I was a little nervous hauling this machine around town.


Either this person has had their head up certain body cavities for the past, say, 15 years, or else he's a bona-fide cheapskate. Of course this machine's not going to be cheap -- it has a friggin 17" flat panel screen, dvd burner, 1 GHz CPU, and tons of other equipment that validate the price. He needs to go read up on history and see just how much prices have fallen (not alone due to inflation) over the multiple generations of PowerBooks and Macs/PCs. In my view, $3299 for this machine's a steal -- heck, Apple kept the price of the unit pretty much level with previous flagship PowerBooks.

I'm just sick of tight-wad PC users bringing up price. Buy used or get a REAL job. Oh, and another thing I'm sick of (while I'm at it) -- people not being able to verbally construct large numbers. I'm sick of people saying "and" before the DECIMAL POINT. It is just three thousand two hundred ninety-nine. No "ands" about it.

Sorry, you can tell I didn't like the guy or his slanted review. Just makes me yearn for the 970 even more to show up people on that dark side (and hopefully win over some).
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post #122 of 167
C|Net also has a review on the 17" PB:

http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0....html?tag=plug
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post #123 of 167
Just a 7.4? They're biased any way. They're being paid off by their advertisers.



Nearly every page has an ad for Dell. How can you write fair, objective articles about products when you're receiving ad revenue from the companies that make the very products you're reviewing?
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post #124 of 167
Yeah, I think the review was a little questionable. But where else do you expect them to get ad revenue? Most major PC companies do banner ads with them.
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post #125 of 167
What kind of review is this?

"We can't deny that this is a rock star's notebook, what with its hot, new design; standard, built-in DVD burning and wireless networking; and awesome backlit keyboard. But the $3,299 17-inch PowerBook performs about the same as its 15-inch predecessor, and it's extremely awkward to carry. If you want an attractive, not-very-portable Mac with a 17-inch LCD and a DVD burner, an iMac is more than $1,000 cheaper."

Hence the major difference between the 15" and 17" but yet it is STILL portable unlike an iMac.
post #126 of 167
Well, The review is right in that the 17 is not much faster than the 15"Ti (if it is any faster at all). infact the Ti may have a better video card.
The PC world is so obsessed with processor speed they do not get that processor speed is just a part of the picture.
I would not expect a PC reviewer to understand why I sold a gigahertz Ti to buy a computer that is not any faster at about a thousand dollar loss.

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post #127 of 167
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Oh, and another thing I'm sick of (while I'm at it) -- people not being able to verbally construct large numbers. I'm sick of people saying "and" before the DECIMAL POINT. It is just three thousand two hundred ninety-nine. No "ands" about it.

Huh? That's the correct way to pronounce the number here.

£124 - One hundred and twenty four pounds.
£1502 - One thousand, five hundred and two pounds.

The 'and' goes between the hundreds and the tens, not before the decimal point:

£150.99 - One hundred and fifty pounds, ninety-nine [pence]


Is it different in America or something?


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post #128 of 167
I guess it is. I was taught in grade school to pronounce, say 134.29, as one hundred thirty four and twenty nine (hundredths or cents or whatever).

Wow, never fail to learn something new...

anyway
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post #129 of 167
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Huh? That's the correct way to pronounce the number here.

£124 - One hundred and twenty four pounds.
£1502 - One thousand, five hundred and two pounds.

The 'and' goes between the hundreds and the tens, not before the decimal point:

£150.99 - One hundred and fifty pounds, ninety-nine [pence]


Is it different in America or something?

I learned to prounounce $119 as "a hundred and nineteen dollars," but $119.50 as "a hundred nineteen dollars and fifty cents." I've also heard "a hundred and nineteen dollars and fifty cents," although the first and tends to be pronounced "n" in this case.

"One nineteen fifty" is not uncommon, either, at least in speech.
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post #130 of 167
This is not the first time that I come across some English lessons on AI (I'm Dutch). I like this, also funny, in a way!!

I hope ' PB 17"' is still OK to use, or should I write okay?

BTW, are there any good pic's of PB 17" that you folks have seen?

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post #131 of 167
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Originally posted by Amorya
Huh? That's the correct way to pronounce the number here.

£124 - One hundred and twenty four pounds.
£1502 - One thousand, five hundred and two pounds.

The 'and' goes between the hundreds and the tens, not before the decimal point:

£150.99 - One hundred and fifty pounds, ninety-nine [pence]


Is it different in America or something?


Amorya

It must be different here in the states. I was always taught the "and" could not be used between whole numbers; it's only supposed to used to indicate a fractional number AFTER a whole number. The word "and" being the separator between whole numbers and fractions. For example, 114.25 would be "one-hundred fourteen and twenty-five one-hundredths." It kind of makes sense because if you had 114.25 of something, you would might also say you had "one-hundred fourteen and a quarter." It would not make sense to say I had "one-hundred and fourteen one quarter." That's kind of akward if you ask me.
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post #132 of 167
Careful guys!

The forum nazis will close this thread if we get off topic!

SOOOO, how about that 17 inch Powerbook, eh?

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post #133 of 167
i've had my pb 17 for over three weeks now and its performing perfectly. Its been handling all of my video/dvd production requirements, virtual pc needs and developement chores. A pleasure to use. Friends who come over are amazed ('pc' friends) at how beautiful "a" machine can be. They always comment on the mini-me yo commerical. That was a great marketing tactic on apples part!!

otherwise.. no problems... no compliaints.. only kudos to apple for creating this machine for us!!

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post #134 of 167
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Originally posted by BostonMerlin
i've had my pb 17 for over three weeks now and its performing perfectly. Its been handling all of my video/dvd production requirements, virtual pc needs and developement chores. A pleasure to use. Friends who come over are amazed ('pc' friends) at how beautiful "a" machine can be. They always comment on the mini-me yo commerical. That was a great marketing tactic on apples part!!

otherwise.. no problems... no compliaints.. only kudos to apple for creating this machine for us!!

bm

I'm looking forward to getting mine. I ordered on Feb. 6th. Last week I phoned Apple and they said May 15th. Today I got mail saying that it has shipped. Delivery hopefully before the week-end.
post #135 of 167
Lapzilla has been nothing but a headache for me. I had to return my first unit because the screen was defective (about 800 pixels stuck green). This second one crashes and has been having problems with the window server (not a Windows file server - part of the OS). I've had to reinstall the OS, but it has still been flakey.

Last night I ran Apple Hardware Test and found out the RAM is bad. I'm calling Apple again now.

TBoxman
post #136 of 167
There's nothing wrong with your RAM; it's the test. No kidding! Read this on MacNN forums and Apple's own discussion forums.
post #137 of 167
they have 75 17s left at creative computer in santa monica. I think i am going to cancil my order and go get one. Might cost me $70.00 though\
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post #138 of 167
"Apple may achieve exceptionally high gross margins on the PB-17, as the OEM price is reported to be around $1,500, with retail prices set at $3,299." (from Insanely Great Mac)

WOW!
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post #139 of 167
where did you get this?
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where did you get this?

What?
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post #141 of 167
I think he means this:

"Apple may achieve exceptionally high gross margins on the PB-17, as the OEM price is reported to be around $1,500, with retail prices set at $3,299."

It's from this article at IGM.
post #142 of 167
murbot, you're da man!
post #143 of 167
MY PB has finally shipped!!!
guess i will get it in a few days
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post #144 of 167
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There's nothing wrong with your RAM; it's the test. No kidding! Read this on MacNN forums and Apple's own discussion forums.

I haven't read this yet, but I'll search now. Thanks for the tip.

I do believe it's the RAM though. When I have the "bad" ram installed my PowerBook will occasionaly go to a blue screen, hold for about 1 second then a black screen for about 1 second then back to the finder with no windows open. All my running applications have quit and, of course, no work saved.

I called Apple and they said it was something called the Window Server Manager (or something like that). I did an archive and restore from the original DVD. They said if the problem continues, check the ram.

Well, it continued, I checked the RAM and it showed that it was bad. Took it out, and the problem stopped. Got replacement RAM, tested it, and it also showed bad. I left it in as an experament, and the problem returned.

Then I took it out, and put the original RAM in the second slot and tested it to see if maybe the RAM slot was defective. It passed the test and I haven't had the Window Server Manager problem while using this configuration.

I just recieved my third RAM chip, and it's testing right now.

Wish me luck,
TBoxman
post #145 of 167
I looked on MacNN and Apple but didn't find any forums about Apple Hardware Test giving false results on RAM tests. I don't doubt they are there, but my quick look didn't find them.

Anyway, I installed the new RAM and it passed the test. I have only been running it for about a hour, but no Window Server Manager problems yet. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Incidentally, the Samsung memory that came with the PowerBook has 16 chips on it (8 per side). The first two pieces of memory I recieved were PC2700 RAM and were supposed to be certified for this computer. They had 8 chips on them (4 per side). This last piece of memory, from the same supplier, has 16 chips per side but they are slightly smaller than the Samsung RAM.

Glad to have that over. I've wasted alot of time installing, testing, and dealing with crashes over this issue.

TBoxman
post #146 of 167
Really enjoyed your posts, TBoxman !

Sorry you have had thses nasty problems.

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post #147 of 167
one nineteen fity

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post #148 of 167
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Originally posted by BostonMerlin
i've had my pb 17 for over three weeks now and its performing perfectly. Its been handling all of my video/dvd production requirements, virtual pc needs and developement chores. A pleasure to use. Friends who come over are amazed ('pc' friends) at how beautiful "a" machine can be. They always comment on the mini-me yo commerical. That was a great marketing tactic on apples part!!

otherwise.. no problems... no compliaints.. only kudos to apple for creating this machine for us!!

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post #149 of 167
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Originally posted by Mike
What kind of review is this?

"We can't deny that this is a rock star's notebook, what with its hot, new design; standard, built-in DVD burning and wireless networking; and awesome backlit keyboard. But the $3,299 17-inch PowerBook performs about the same as its 15-inch predecessor, and it's extremely awkward to carry. If you want an attractive, not-very-portable Mac with a 17-inch LCD and a DVD burner, an iMac is more than $1,000 cheaper."

Hence the major difference between the 15" and 17" but yet it is STILL portable unlike an iMac.

The reviewer is an idiot. The size of the 17 inch LCD neccesitates its "awkward shape."

It's like saying "Godzilla rules and all, but he's a big green monster."

It's not designed to be the most portable laptop. That's what the 12 inch PowerBook is for!

Next thing you know, CNET will start faulting Desktops because they aren't that portable.

Gimme a break.

Does she so easily forget that Dell and Company would fit a 17 inch screen within an enclosure that's twice as thick?

Then they'll reconsider.
post #150 of 167
They gave the Alienware Area 51 a score of 7 for design. The main focus?

"The Area 51m's plastic case is a real eye-catcher"


Wwwait a second.


That wonderfully plastic case varies in depth from 1.9 inches to 2.4 inches!

Apparently, it's been catching a lot of eye.

Design doesn't count for much since the 17 inch PowerBook received a score of only one point higher. Given the fact that Apple fit an LCD screen that's one inch larger into an enclosure that's two times to two and one half times thinner than its apparent design "rival", I think the scores should have differred by a bit more.

But that's just me.

Sigh...
post #151 of 167
2.4 inches thick... sounds like a PowerBook 3400c!
post #152 of 167
Just wanted everyone to know that since replacing that bad RAM chip, my 17" has been performing wonderfully. I just finished editing an animation in iMovie and wrote it to DVD for a presentation to our biggest client's Board of Directors. Everyone in the office was amazed at the results.

My only complaint isn't with the laptop. It's flawless now. It's with iMovie. It doesn't edit quicktime files. They have to be exported as a DV Stream and that loses so much information the resulting image looks fuzzy. I'm working with animation and not video so that may be the problem. It's curious to me that Apple invented QuickTime and now seems to be favoring DV in it's editors. Even Final Cut Express doesn't edit QuickTime, only Final Cut Pro.

To get around this, I was able to save out still frames from the animation, import them into iMovie and make the trasitions there. I exported those and cut and pasted the whole thing together with QuickTime Pro. What a kludge!

TBoxman
post #153 of 167
I have had my PB 17 for three days now and it has preformed flawless as well. so, far no restarts and i am knocking on wood. it also feals a lot tougher than the TI i had. pressing on the back of the screen is less does not make weirdness. pictures do not do this thing justice. when you hold it in your hand and look at the precission this machine was put together with it is awesome. it has lots of little curves. the keybord is the best keybord i ever saw on a laptop even without the backlit display.
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post #154 of 167
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the keybord is the best keybord i ever saw on a laptop

(assuming it is a typo)

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definition of irony: spelling "idiot" wrong when flaming someone else about stupidity
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post #155 of 167
"Apple in 'a'-key quality control shocker!"
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post #156 of 167
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post #157 of 167
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Originally posted by JC
the keybord is the best keybord i ever saw on a laptop

Originally posted by Paul

(assuming it is a typo)

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definition of irony: spelling "idiot" wrong when flaming someone else about stupidity
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the irony that spelling and "idiot" do not always go together.

OK, have you ever heard about that right and left brain thing. I am a creative, I draw, paint and write. When i am in my creative mode i do not spell. when i am doing re writes and punctuation i spell very well but i am not as creative. Also after 2:00 am I do not spell and also I am a BAD typest.

what did mean about flaming someone else for stupidity?
were you talking about me or you?
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post #158 of 167
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the irony that spelling and "idiot" do not always go together.

OK, have you ever heard about that right and left brain thing. I am a creative, I draw, paint and write. When i am in my creative mode i do not spell. when i am doing re writes and punctuation i spell very well but i am not as creative. Also after 2:00 am I do not spell and also I am a BAD typest.

what did mean about flaming someone else for stupidity?
were you talking about me or you?

I think he was just pointing out that you were complementing the keyboard, and then missed the "a" key. He thought it was funny, but wasn't very pleasant in presenting this "joke".

Personally, I misspell when I read. So I had to read his post about three times before I noticed the missing "a" and the figured out what he was getting at.

The idiot comment was uncalled for IMHO.

Terry
post #159 of 167
One of my favorite features of this laptop is the need to very seldom restart. When I'm thru working for the day, I close it and disconnect everything. Then off I go with my "office in a bag".

When I get to the office in the morning, I connect an external HD and an external 21" Monitor. Open the laptop up and it recognizes the second display and automatically moves the menus there. When I'm at home it automatically moves the menus back to the internal display.

I know that has been in the OS for a while, but it's still one of my favorite features of Mac laptops. That and Location Manager make PowerBooks superior to any other laptop.

TBoxman,
post #160 of 167
I L ve my PB 17!!!!
Right now I am sitting by my pool, Listening to talk radio (http://www.krla870.com/), Working on some headshots for a beautiful woman and transfering the final versions to the computer in the house so that they can be printed.

This machine rocks. It never bogs down and i have never had to do a force restart yet!
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