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post #81 of 167
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Originally posted by JC
Always nice to meet a fellow NAPP member and one of the photoshop creative few. So did apple notify you of shipping your AI or did you check the PC Mall NAPP website. Where dio I look to see when apple will ship. I ordered my AI pb on 2/27 so perhaps mine will be shipped soon as well.
Thanks

I cancelled my PC Mall/NAPP order, and went directly through Apple. Apple notified me, and sent me the FedEx tracking number, so I can check as often as I want and see exactly how far my "bundle of joy" has gotten. I guess with the tight security in/out of the U.S., FedEx is estimating 3/27. I placed my order directly with Apple on 3/13!!! (but had ordered from MacMall while I was at Photoshop World), so it wasn't an easy decision to lose my place in line. You can imagine my surprise, and glee, to find that I wasn't going to have to wait that long after all...
post #82 of 167
Arrived!

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post #83 of 167
Here is my tale of woes.

I ordered mine on Jan 10th. Been waiting since, and have raised some stink along the way. But I saved a hefty amount, so that is ok.

It came in this morning at 9:30AM. After clearing and cleaning my desk, I started to unpackage it. I scanned thru the Getting Started Manual, mostly to make sure I charged the battery correct, but also to prolong the suspense.

This thing is a beauty. I wasn't at MacWorld, and haven't seen one at the Apple Store, so I bought it sight unseen (funny term). It almost seems as if this wasn't even built on earth. Certainly the finest manufactured computer I've ever seen, and I was impressed with my TiBook.

Now I open the lid and behold an expanse of silver. Keys match perfectly, trackpad button clicks very nice. Time to boot it up.

WAIT! What the heck is that?!? I have a vertical line of green pixels running from between the F10 and F11 keys to about 80% of the way up the screen. Within 10 minutes of receiving the unit, I'm on the line with Apple Care.

Seems this is the first call they have had about the 17" PowerBooks, at least that is what they told me. After checking a few things, they pass me to a Senior Technician. She says she wants the computer returned to the Engineering group (not the normal return center) so they can "capture" the defect. They will send me a new machine.

Here is the catch. There process is as follows. The send out a mailing label, I repackage the computer and return to them; they process the receipt of the computer and check stock for a replacement machine; then they ship back to me with a 3-6 business day shipping timeframe. Overall, it could take ANOTHER TWO WEEKS to get a functioning machine. And that is if Engineering has some in stock. They are checking now.

We called the Houston Galleria Apple Store and they have 3, but are already sold and paid for. They have a waiting list of 47 people in line, and won't bump me in front of any of those. Now they are calling the two stores in the Dallas area, but if they have stock, I will have to drive to Dallas from Houston to exchange the computers.

This Senior Technician is being very helpful, but right now, demand is greater than supply.

So the waiting continues,
TBoxman

P.S. And now I decide to watch a DVD while I work on my old desktop. The PowerBook won't accept CDs or DVDs. It took the Restore CD and an audio CD earlier, but it won't now. I'm still decharging the batter (don't know why) so I haven't rebooted. Maybe that will fix it. One hour till I know.
post #84 of 167
Congrats on the "Arrival". for those of you who are interested i've found that when you open up your screen and push back as far as it will go.. the bottom of the screen actualy hits the surface the laptop is on... and will "easily" scratch the surface of the powerbook (bottom of screen). i've already noticed a few small scratches. i covered up that area with clear tape for now...

other than that. this laptop rocks...!!!!
post #85 of 167
TBoxman, hard break. Let us know how it all works out, and my sympathies.
post #86 of 167
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Originally posted by mrmister
TBoxman, hard break. Let us know how it all works out, and my sympathies.

Apple Care called me back. Engineering does have units in stock for exchange. They are sending me a shipping label overnight. I will send my computer back to them overnight. They will then check it in, and send me a new computer back overnight. The new computer should be factory sealed, but they may open it to insure that it doesn't have the same problem.

I would expect to have my new replacement PowerBook by Monday or Tuesday. Logistically, it could happen by Friday, but I doubt it.

Keeping my fingers crossed,
TBoxman
post #87 of 167
good luck!!
post #88 of 167
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Originally posted by LatteAddict
I cancelled my PC Mall/NAPP order, and went directly through Apple. Apple notified me, and sent me the FedEx tracking number, so I can check as often as I want and see exactly how far my "bundle of joy" has gotten. I guess with the tight security in/out of the U.S., FedEx is estimating 3/27. I placed my order directly with Apple on 3/13!!! (but had ordered from MacMall while I was at Photoshop World), so it wasn't an easy decision to lose my place in line. You can imagine my surprise, and glee, to find that I wasn't going to have to wait that long after all...

Alaska is closer than I thought!!! I received mine today. It looks beautiful, but I haven't had time to do more than take a peek yet. My husband volunteered to do the honors, and transfer my system tonight. I think I'll let him, since he was the original computer geek in the family (the hardware guy).

Personally, I can't wait to start playing with all my graphics software and burning DVDs and will enjoy the blistering speed compared to my current PB 15 667 mHz model (which he and my daughter are still fighting over--could there be an ulterior motive in his offer!!??!!--the loser gets the G3 Pismo that replaces the dead clamshell iBook. We're a Mac-only family, with a G4 tower and Cube, too, but NO ONE wants to sit at a desk anymore).
post #89 of 167
Seems like the backlight on the keyboard has changed since the pre-production models. The QT movie on the Apple Powerbook page showing the backlit keyboard is clearly BLUE while mine seems to be a more soft white like on the sleep light on the Powerbook and the power button on the Power Macs.
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post #90 of 167
I noticed the same thing with mine. It is definitely a white glow, and I have also noticed that on some of the keys the backlight is not too clear/crisp, especially on the function keys at the top.

The backlight almost makes the keys harder to read unless the room you are in is pitch black. When the backlight is off, the characters on the keys appear dark in value. This contrasts well with the light value of the keys. I am finding that as the backlight lights up, the characters become closer in value to the keys themselves; making them very difficult to read. This is just a minor complaint however. It really is an awsome machine.
post #91 of 167
Well, yesterday the Fed Ex man came and went, not leaving a shipping label or box for the return of my 17" PowerBook. I called Apple Care again and was informed that it could take "up to 3 business days" to receive the "call tags" for the return. Then the shipping should be over night to them, and overnight back to me. I'm still hoping that by mid next week I'll be up and running again.

It's painful to see this thing sit in a box waiting for return to Apple.

TBoxman
post #92 of 167
The FedEx man just dropped off the call tags and waited while I wrote the case number on the box and filled out the shipping label. It's off to Apple via overnight delivery.

Unfortunatly the wording in the last paragraph of the letter enclosed with the call tags reads:
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It is very important that you return your problematic unit as quickly as possible. Once your original product has been received by Apple the replacement product will be shipped to you within 4-7 business days. Please contact AppleCare Support at 1-800-APL-CARE (1-800-275-2273) for any questions.
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Sounds like the time frame gets extended every time I communicate with Apple. I recieved my PowerBook on Tuesday and immediately called AppleCare. They should have faxed or emailed me the call tags which consisted of a letter and a shipping label. I would have overnighted the computer to them and they would have had it by Wednesday. They could have then overnighted one back to me and I could be using it now. Instead I'm looking at another 5-8 business days! (4-7 plus shipping to them) At this point it could be as late as Tuesday April 8th before I receive a working PowerBook!

I've been using Macintosh Computers since 1984. I'm starting to have a love-hate relationship with Apple Computer.

I believe they owe me a T-Shirt for my trouble.

TBoxman
post #93 of 167
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Originally posted by LatteAddict


Personally, I can't wait to start playing

Well, now I've played. My husband did a quick and easy transfer by cloning my disk--worked wonders except for having to uninstall MS Office and reinstalling the new copy. All up and running, all pixels gorgeous. I'm really really happy. Fist fight for old machine still going on--when dust clears, I'll know the order of the hand-me-downs. In the meantime, I'm happily playing away... Bliss.
post #94 of 167
oh, for those who want to play with the 17", check your local CompUSA.

the minnesota store has a WORKING 17" laptop on display, unlike the one at the Apple store on a rotating podium.
post #95 of 167
This time I figured squeaky wheel gets the grease, so I called AppleCare Support again to tell them my PowerBook was on it's way to California and to complain about the 4-7 day waiting period. The specialist I spoke to said once the package had been scanned by FedEx he would notify the Engineering group that it was on its way. He said it was "possible" for that group to cross ship a computer, but it wasn't up to him.

So this afternoon I called back once the tracking number was in FedEx's system. I explained that I was trying to get my case expedited. This specialist said he would email the Engineering group and request a new 17" Laptop be cross shipped to me overnight.

Hopefully they will process the transaction today and get it sent out. I would love to be playing with my new toy (ahem, tool) this weekend. He said it would more than likely be Monday.

At least it isn't 4-7 days!

TBoxman
post #96 of 167
Things I have noticed since using the 17:

Trackpad acts funny. When my finger is sitting still the cursor is flopping around all over the screen.

Weird buzzing sound when the Powerbook is plugged in.
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post #97 of 167
ramblings.....


i've had my bad-boy for a week now.. have been running vpc6x (with windows xp) to work on dev apps for my company, editing videos with fcp and cranking out dvd's witih idvd and dvd studio pro... not a problem so far.. disks come out great.. performance is right where i need it to be.. tunes sound fine on the book... dvd's buring at 1x or 2x.. whatever.. either still takes a while..

gig ram definately helps with vpc..

x-plane is rock-solid

i'm finaly a 'safari' convert... ie for the mac seems so out-dated for some reason now..

the screen is soooo sweet.. and so easy to get used to. (typing this post while chilling out on my bed in the dark.. like having a full-size monitor on my lap.. awesome stuff!! apple definatley rocks with the cool-o-rama hardware.

heat issuess.. well, i've heard all over the place about 12" powerbooks having heat problems. i can say that when the processor on the 17" is cranking away while producing a dvd it gets fairly warm on the bottom.. but thats about it.

the fan (when it comes on) makes a funky 'whirling' sound as it steps up to speed..

when inserting a dvd/cd the drive sucks the disk in with a loud "WWWHOOMMPPP".. kindof like closing the door on my bmw (nice and solid)

when you extend the screen all the way back.. the bottom edge actualy hits the surface.. i've alreday seen a few small scratches.. so in ther interum i put clear tape on the bottom edge.. yea.. i know its cheezy.. but until i feel comforatable treating this laptop like a laptop.. the tape stays!!

the brenthaven backpack for the 17" is the finest backpack i've owned.. if you like laptop backpacks at all.. spend the dough on this bag.. you wont regret it.!!

my 2nd battery on order shipped this morning

thats all for now.... if anyone wants more information let me know!!

bm
post #98 of 167
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Originally posted by BostonMerlin
the brenthaven backpack for the 17" is the finest backpack i've owned.. if you like laptop backpacks at all.. spend the dough on this bag.. you wont regret it.!!
bm

I'd like to know more about the Brenthaven backpack. I have a Lowepro that I bought for my 15" that my 17" just fits in, the Whitehouse News Photographer version (I can't fasten the velcro closure on the computer sleeve, but I can zip the section--not quite as safe, but it still sort of works for now) that I like because it also has room for my digital camera gear, Wacom tablet, and other "can't live without" stuff that I take with me on longer trips. I've tried other backbacks, but I find them too hard to root around in to get at my gear, and the roll around briefcases never seem to have enough places to stuff the essentials (camera/battery/chargers/cables).

Any idea how the Brenthaven compares? The Lowepro is light enough/collapsible enough that I don't look stupid if I only need to take the computer, but works when I want to bring along the works... I would like a bit more protection for my new precious, though.
post #99 of 167
PICTURES?!
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post #100 of 167
i cant compare your backpack to mine but i can say that it is a very well made bag.. the 17" sleeve alone is worth buying this bag for. dozens of pockets (large and small) with plenty of places to store a few thick books, ipod, dvd's, keys, phone, drink etc... I dont know how large your watcom tablet is.. it may or may not fit as easily. the nice thing about the 17" backpack is that its a very tall pack (of course) so you can fit a few large items on top of each other (like those books i mentioned).

the straps are what sets this bag apart for me though.. when you put the pack on (Either on one shoulder or both) it is "extremely" comforatable..

bm
post #101 of 167
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Originally posted by BostonMerlin
ramblings.....


... dvd's buring at 1x or 2x.. whatever.. either still takes a while..


bm

Really, I thought they changed the DVD to a 1X
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post #102 of 167
i'm guessing the burner is still stuck at 1x.. my post was to simply say.. whatever the rate it still takes a while to burn a dvd..

"the wait was worth it" though.. the 12" leaves too much to be desired (for me).. the size is sweet but falls short on the performance front (for me). the 17" is an awesome machine!!!


bm
post #103 of 167
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Originally posted by alcimedes
oh, for those who want to play with the 17", check your local CompUSA.

the minnesota store has a WORKING 17" laptop on display, unlike the one at the Apple store on a rotating podium.

You guys don't know how lucky you are. I ordered mine (ADC through the Apple Store) on February 6th. It was prepaid with a personal cheque - Apple has had my money for more than 6 weeks and I still don't have an OoB date! I called them last Friday and the closest they can say is "around May 15th". I work at the computer science dept. in the largest university in my country and have been an ADC member since 1987!
post #104 of 167
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Originally posted by tryd
Apple has had my money for more than 6 weeks and I still don't have an OoB date! I called them last Friday and the closest they can say is "around May 15th".

Uflaks.
I thought they were supposed to arrive in Norway around the middle/end of april?
post #105 of 167
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Originally posted by kantarell
Uflaks.
I thought they were supposed to arrive in Norway around the middle/end of april?

We are getting local here, sorry about that
Yes - Apple Norway has a demo unit, and a large shipment should arrive before easter.
AppleStore still says May 15th though
post #106 of 167
I called Apple this morning to check on my replacement PowerBook. After waiting on hold and speaking with two different people, I was told that there was nothing in the system about my return unit yet. They said everything that could be done to speed up the process had been done. They said Apple takes 3-5 business days to process returns. But since we had asked for priority status, maybe Apple would ship it today for overnight delivery. So, I resigned myself to wait longer.

Just now the FedEx man dropped off my new 17" Lapzilla! Time to open up the box.

Later,
TBoxman
post #107 of 167
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Originally posted by tryd
We are getting local here, sorry about that
Yes - Apple Norway has a demo unit, and a large shipment should arrive before easter.
AppleStore still says May 15th though

Let's hope Apple treats you like they treated me.

On March 14, it was 4 - 6 weeks, and at 8 AM on March 21 it was 3 - 5 weeks, but when I got home from work on March 21, I had received an e-mail with a FedEx tracking number. On March 24, it was delayed in Customs in Anchorage, Alaska, so I figured I'd get it in a few days, but I guess they must have had turbo-charged jets, because I had it in my hands by 9 AM on Tuesday. Cool.

I'm still waiting for the spare battery, though... (And that was initially supposed to be 2 - 3 weeks). I think I'll live.

Not a single complaint, either, on the PB 17. I love the feel--no getting used to it, either--which I did have to do when I moved up from a clamshell iBook to a G3 Pismo and then to the TiBook (hubby lost, daughter gets my old TiBook and he gets to keep the G3 Pismo he's been using since I last handed one down--she's doing a digital video class in HS this year and needs the FireWire and extra RAM, CD burner, etc., while he doesn't do much except surf from the laptop...). The iBook, which no longer functions unless plugged in (so no longer really a laptop) despite replacement battery and several trips to the shop will be given to a computer depraved kid at the local high school, or something--we haven't decided yet. Everytime someone needs an upgrade, I generously offer them mine, and then help myself to Apple's latest and greatest. Aren't I just the best Mom in the world???
post #108 of 167
I must say, this thing is freaking fabulous! Best laptop I've ever used, by far.

TBoxman
post #109 of 167
Do all the stores have a demo unit that you can play with now? I was at the Woodfield store a month ago and they only had one in the window. Now that they are shipping, I would think they would be able to display one, but Apple is weird sometimes.

Philip
post #110 of 167
I will be travelling to the US the week after next. Fortunately, I will be close to an Apple Store (Philadelphia, King of Prussia) for a couple of days. My plan is to bring back to the Netherlands a 17" piece of art. Any of you have a clue when the Stores will be able to sell 'over the counter' out of stock.

Thanks, Dirk.
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post #111 of 167
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I ... Any of you have a clue when the Stores will be able to sell 'over the counter' out of stock.

Thanks, Dirk.

Right after apple ships me my powerbook they will sell them to walk in's like you.
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post #112 of 167
Oops, sorry for asking. I'm just a walk in, and who are you?
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post #113 of 167
I think he ordered one online or by phone many moons ago and is still waiting for its arrival.

I found one at a CompUSA and really wanted to buy... but my current PowerBook is fine so I must be patient and wait a while for the new 15.4 inchers.
post #114 of 167
I just found out that Creative computers in santa monica has 100 17s in stock and they have one there that you can mess with. I ordered mine on 2/27 and the website finally says that my order is in process so i am sure it will ship very soon. the track pad is farther away than it used to be i think. but the screen is HUGE!! I can not wait
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post #115 of 167
Yesterday morning, my 17" PowerBook started exhibiting a strange and alarming behavior. While I was working, the screen turned blue for about a second, then black for about a second, then came back to the finder, but no applications were running. I lost all my work! It did this three times before lunch.

After my mid day meeting, I called AppleCare Support and we worked out the problem. It was something called a Window Manager Application (or something similar) that keeps up with what windows are open and what applications are using them. Seems it got corrupted. I did an Archive and Install from the DVD and I was back to running in about 30 minutes.

Later, I loaded Links LS to play a round of virtual golf. It crashed. I downloaded the 1.0.4 patch and tried again. I got further this time, but it crashed again. Gave up for the night.

Later my son (3 yrs old) and I watched Shrek while laying on the bed. We watched the first half, got him ready for bed and then finished it in his room. It was a really nice way to spend some quiet time with him at my side. For those of you with children, you will appreciate that!

So, I had a bit of a rocky start with Lapzilla, but we are getting along much better today.

TBoxman
post #116 of 167
Lapzilla, I like this expression! I love the Shrek story. I will do the same, probably Spirit or Monsters Inc.

I know about waiting....., I ordered my FP iMac the same day SJ announced this piece of art.

17" PB, on the other hand, it took some time to decide on replacing my iBook. Having done so, I merely tried to explore the quickest way to achieve my 'dream'.

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post #117 of 167
I saw the Powerbook 17" in person today at Fry's Electronics in Sunnyvale that they have on display, it's a real one-fully functional.

I like how the screen tilts easier than the Tibook (doesn't tend to tip it over)

It looks so wide and short and the screen IS big, but what impressed me was its thinness and sound from the built-in speakers - much better than the Tibook that I use. It also felt sturdy.

The guy next to me groused that he is still waiting for delivery for his while this one sits in the store. (he just got his shipment notice)
post #118 of 167
Here's a review of the 17" I found on the net:

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It's Big, It's Groundbreaking -- but the Price Eclipses It All

By Rob Pegoraro
Sunday, April 6, 2003; Page H07

Three thousand, two hundred and ninety-nine dollars.

It's impossible to talk about Apple Computer's new 17-inch PowerBook without mentioning the cost. This laptop is a remarkable piece of work, with the biggest screen anybody has ever put into a portable computer, and it carries a price tag to match.

Most people will never spend this much on a computer -- the over-$3,000 price bracket tends to be limited to things like cars and houses. (If you must know, this PowerBook actually costs more than my car.) So I was a little nervous hauling this machine around town.

The 17-inch PowerBook features other unusually large dimensions. While it's only one inch thick and about 10 inches deep, it's 15.4 inches wide, too big for many computer bags. And at 6.8 pounds (the model I tested weighed 6.9 pounds, a difference Apple blamed on variations in components), it's almost a pound heftier than any other Apple portable.

It owes those dimensions to the enormous screen it's built around. At 17 inches from corner to corner, you (and whoever's sitting next to you) won't find a better way to watch DVDs on a plane.

The keyboard that faces this display looks comically undersized in comparison. Some of the leftover space is taken up by two speakers, which sound far better than the tinny hardware on most laptops. The rest is used as a palm-rest area that approaches the size of an airliner's table tray; you could rest a drink on one corner, but it would be grossly unwise to risk tipping a Coke into a $3,299 machine.

This PowerBook wants for little on the inside. With a "SuperDrive" that burns DVDs and CDs and loads through a slot instead of a pop-out tray, a roughly 60-gigabyte hard drive, 512 megabytes of memory, a 64MB Nvidia GeForce 4 graphics accelerator, and a 1GHz G4 processor, it's competitive with almost any desktop Apple sells. (The Matsushita-manufactured SuperDrive is theoretically capable of burning to DVD-RAM discs as well as DVD-R and -RW, but Apple's software only supports the last two formats, depriving users of a more convenient option for backing up data.)

Processor and screen combine to drain this PowerBook's lithium-ion battery; it ran for barely over four hours with every possible power-saving option enabled. DVD playback exhausted the machine in 2 hours and 20 minutes, and it was gone after 2 hours and 40 minutes of playing through an MP3 collection with the screen partially dimmed. Those figures are only average compared with many newer laptops.

On the other hand, the bulk of this computer means most people will want to keep it planted on a desk anyway.

A broad range of connectors awaits on the sides of the PowerBook: one FireWire 800 and one FireWire 400 port (more on these in a moment), one PC Card slot, two universal-serial-bus ports, an Ethernet port (rated for up to 1,000 megabits per second, instead of the usual 100 Mbps), and a v.92 modem. This laptop also includes Digital Visual Interface (DVI) and S-Video connectors for monitors and TVs; if yours features older VGA or composite-video connections, an adapter cable comes in the box.

The 17-inch PowerBook also includes two forms of wireless networking. Its internal Bluetooth receiver allows you to connect peripherals like handheld organizers and cell phones without cables; a nifty file-exchange program also lets you bounce data to and from another Bluetooth-equipped Mac.

More important, this laptop's innards hide an AirPort Extreme card, which uses the new, faster "802.11g" flavor of WiFi to offer wireless connections of up to 54 Mbps, almost five times as fast as standard WiFi. (Most tests suggest your real-world speed with 802.11g will be more like 22 Mbps -- still much better than what you'll get out of WiFi in practice.)

But if you should meet an owner of a 17-inch PowerBook, you're not likely to see those aspects of the computer. Instead, the proud owner will probably want to show off the keyboard. Yes, the keyboard: A light sensor hidden next to it senses when the room has gone dark, then automatically turns on embedded lighting in the keyboard while also dimming the screen.

Apple fans love finding these little grace notes in the company's products, and the 17-inch PowerBook has its share, from the compact AC adapter to the LED battery-life readout on its underside.

But in other respects, this model falls short of the standard set by the 12-inch model Apple began shipping two months ago. Its optical drive is positioned on the front, not the side, so a CD or DVD ejects into your lap instead of your hand. Placing the modem and Ethernet ports on opposite sides invites confusion. The screen can move on its own if you grab the laptop in a hurry (Apple says its hinge is designed to allow a certain amount of play, but it's still disconcerting). And the computer emitted a weird little whining noise at random times, which Apple couldn't begin to explain.

Like every other Mac, this PowerBook includes slow USB 1.1 ports instead of the faster 2.0 variety that are now standard on PCs. In comparison, the PowerBook's FireWire 800 port seems a questionable addition, given how few external devices support this 800 Mbps variation of FireWire -- which also requires a different plug from the FireWire (aka FireWire 400) that Apple has been shipping with its computers for years.

The weakest part of this machine is the paucity of third-party software. It ships with Mac OS X and Apple's excellent iLife bundle of multimedia applications, but if you'd like a word processor, a spreadsheet application or a personal-finance program, you'll have to buy them yourself.

So who actually needs this Lexus of a laptop? Apple says it was built for graphic designers who can use this to replace their desktops. In other words, it's not the computer for the rest of us.

It is, however, worth checking out in the store, if only to see the design refinements like the backlit keyboard that might make their way to more affordable hardware -- say, Apple's 15-inch PowerBook, which hasn't been updated in five months.

Living with technology, or trying to? E-mail Rob Pegoraro at rob@twp.com
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post #119 of 167
Seemed like a fairly fair review to me. My only gripes would be he clearly isn't being very forward thinking when dissing the FW 800 port. Also, while I agree it's dumb for apple not to plunk appleworks on the machine, I think he should have mentioned the several other nice non iapp applications that come with the powerbook like OmniGraffle and OmniOutliner
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post #120 of 167
The only reason that's stopping me from purchacing the 17" is the video card. Nividia IMO isn't very good, esspically the Geforce GO series. I'd rather see a ATI 9000 in there.
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