or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Future Apple Hardware › Updated Apple Power Mac G5 systems en route to company stores
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Updated Apple Power Mac G5 systems en route to company stores

post #1 of 186
Thread Starter 
Apple has reportedly begun shipping new Pro desktops to some of its retail stores.

According to sources, new Apple Power Macs have already begun shipping to select Apple retail stores in the United States.

The models spotted were dual 2GHz, 2.3GHz, and 2.7GHz. All three versions reportedly sport new dual-layer DVD burners. The dual 2GHz configuration reportedly includes 512 ram, a 160 hard disk, and a 128MB ATI Radeon 9600 graphics card.

Apple is expected to make CPU-related announcements as early as Tuesday (though one source says the new Power Macs may debut on a Wednesday).

Reports also suggest the company may be in the process of updating the majority of its CPU offerings to include Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger as the default operating system.

While iMacs and eMacs are now reflecting ship times of 5-7 business days, the remainder of Apple's CPU product lines are also showing extended times today (of 1-3 business days).

Apple last introduced new CPU hardware on January 31st when it announced faster Power Book G4 laptops.
post #2 of 186
Uh... what exactly is PRO about that?
post #3 of 186
But are they dual core?

e/iMacs next week
-JD
-- "If Apple wasn't so greedy, they would build G6's and give them away!"
Reply
-JD
-- "If Apple wasn't so greedy, they would build G6's and give them away!"
Reply
post #4 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by Dave J
Uh... what exactly is PRO about that?

Maybe they are dual chip 970MP systems at that clock range.?.?.?

post #5 of 186
see now im confused...what if these are dual cores????
post #6 of 186
what if you guys are insane and need a reality check?
post #7 of 186
200mhz!! For another year!

Sometimes I hate Apple :~
post #8 of 186
Meanwhile Powermac shipping times have reverted back to 1-3 days.. maybe this is wrong too
post #9 of 186
i dunno, but my seventh sense (after seeing dead people) is that these reports are false, or apple is being misleading on purpose...i say dual dual cores...or atleast dual cores...something smells funky...
post #10 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by webavatar
200mhz!! For another year!

Sometimes I hate Apple :~

Who said it was for another year? This could easily be a short-term update to keep units moving until the fall.
post #11 of 186
I don't care if they are dual-core as much as I care that these machines have PCI-Express.

Let's be honest the advantage of DC Powermacs isn't going make a huge difference until you're running Quad Cores. Anyone with a DP Powermac already knows what they're getting.

No one has mentioned the PCI type of these computers so I can hold out hope that we get new motherboards.

I think a DP 2.7Ghz system is fine if its sitting on new mobo hardware. Expecting 3GHz is a bit silly. AMD is still only at 2.8GHz max and Apple is going to remain conservative and not "stretch" for that extra 100Hz.
He's a mod so he has a few extra vBulletin privileges. That doesn't mean he should stop posting or should start acting like Digital Jesus.
- SolipsismX
Reply
He's a mod so he has a few extra vBulletin privileges. That doesn't mean he should stop posting or should start acting like Digital Jesus.
- SolipsismX
Reply
post #12 of 186
I dont think anything is going to be announce pre-tiger. Apple wants to have their party and eat their cake about tiger. They won't release a pro machine without it being the main item on the Apple page, and the won't let Tiger slip off the #1 spot on the Apple Homepage.
post #13 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by icfireball
I dont think anything is going to be announce pre-tiger. Apple wants to have their party and eat their cake about tiger. They won't release a pro machine without it being the main item on the Apple page, and the won't let Tiger slip off the #1 spot on the Apple Homepage.

This is wrong.
He's a mod so he has a few extra vBulletin privileges. That doesn't mean he should stop posting or should start acting like Digital Jesus.
- SolipsismX
Reply
He's a mod so he has a few extra vBulletin privileges. That doesn't mean he should stop posting or should start acting like Digital Jesus.
- SolipsismX
Reply
post #14 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by icfireball
I dont think anything is going to be announce pre-tiger. Apple wants to have their party and eat their cake about tiger. They won't release a pro machine without it being the main item on the Apple page, and the won't let Tiger slip off the #1 spot on the Apple Homepage.

That's right - updated powermacs are either going to be good news, or bad news, and either one will spoil the Tiger launch.
post #15 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by icfireball
I dont think anything is going to be announce pre-tiger. Apple wants to have their party and eat their cake about tiger.

I'm not so sure. Apple announced the first G4 iBooks two days before shipping Panther, and that was arguably a more significant upgrade than the Power Mac rumors would lead us to expect. I think they've been sitting on some updates until they could ship with Tiger.
post #16 of 186
i bet this report is 100% true
i also bet we have ass-tastic graphic cards in these pups (this obviously has meaning beyond the common colloquialism) yet again
post #17 of 186
With all the buildup, these new PM systems may be nothing much from Apple's perspective--I believe that Apple has done silent (no publicity), minor CPU speed increases in the past. This rev could be for no reason other than a planned iMac G5 CPU boost, and the Pro line HAS to have faster MHz. There probably is a major rev due to be announced this summer (keeping to a 1 year schedule), but if the iMacs are due a rev sooner, it might have been felt that a minor rev was in order (with Tiger preinstalled) to keep pace with the iMacs. Apple may have wanted the "major" rev earlier, but if iMacs are coming out earlier and the major rev isn't ready, then they might have had to go with a minor, fairly silent rev.

So while this COULD be the major rev, it could also be simply a good time to do a minor CPU rev (to keep pace with the iMac line), and pre-install Tiger.
post #18 of 186
I'd like to wake up Tuesday morning and find no mention of new PMs on Apple's site. Why bother? Wow, we've tacked on an extra 200 MHz in the year since the last PM update! That's like getting last year's PM plus a low end 1997 200 MHz Power Mac 8600 FREE!! Such a DEAL!

Yeah! Imagine being able to get a 2004 G5 PLUS a 200 MHz PowerPC 604e coprocessor!! Wow, can you beat that?

Well, if these things are dual dual-coreÑnever mind.
post #19 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by Rolo
I'd like to wake up Tuesday morning and find no mention of new PMs on Apple's site. Why bother? Wow, we've tacked on an extra 200 MHz in the year since the last PM update! That's like getting last year's PM plus a low end 1997 200 MHz Power Mac 8600 FREE!! Such a DEAL!

Yeah! Imagine being able to get a 2004 G5 PLUS a 200 MHz PowerPC 604e coprocessor!! Wow, can you beat that?

Well, if these things are dual dual-coreÑnever mind.

well you can be damn sure that every G5 is faster than your little 1Ghz G4, so you obviously aren't too concerned about clock speed.
post #20 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by BrunoBruin
I'm not so sure. Apple announced the first G4 iBooks two days before shipping Panther, and that was arguably a more significant upgrade than the Power Mac rumors would lead us to expect. I think they've been sitting on some updates until they could ship with Tiger.

I'm with you on this.

Apple should announce tomorrow, with bulk shipments commencing sometime around the 10th May: this would tie in nicely with the availability of Final Cut Studio which I would expect around 17th May.

That would pretty much give Apple control of the IT news cycle for much of the next month, which should look something like: -
  • Announcement of new hardware tomorrow.
  • iTunes Music Store 2nd Anniversary on Thursday with iTunes 4.8 and iTMS for Australia, the remainder of Northern Europe and (possibly) Japan.
  • Tiger on Friday, plus opening of major new store in Birmingham, UK.
  • Shipping new machines in the middle of May.
  • Shipping the first integrated high definition production suite in the second half of May.
  • WWDC - June 6-10
  • iTMS Japan definitely by end of June
"There's no bigot like a religious bigot and there's no religion more fanatical than that espoused by Macintosh zealots." ~Martin Veitch, IT Week [31-01-2003]

"What's your point?" ~ Mark Solomon...
Reply
"There's no bigot like a religious bigot and there's no religion more fanatical than that espoused by Macintosh zealots." ~Martin Veitch, IT Week [31-01-2003]

"What's your point?" ~ Mark Solomon...
Reply
post #21 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by ipodandimac
well you can be damn sure that every G5 is faster than your little 1Ghz G4, so you obviously aren't too concerned about clock speed.

Well, see, here's the deal. A guy like me with an old G4 PM is more likely to buy a new PM than a dood like you who already has last year's 2.5. Except I'd rather get something that uses some technology that's a bit newer than 2 years old. If I'm going to plunk down a few grand, I'd rather get something like a 970MP. I'd also like to get a system that doesn't have water cooling because you're lucky if it lasts two years. Good luck with that.
post #22 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by Rolo
I'd also like to get a system that doesn't have water cooling because you're lucky if it lasts two years. Good luck with that.

I have nothing good to add but that was freekn' halarious!
Hard-Core.
Reply
Hard-Core.
Reply
post #23 of 186
there is no dual core
the whole thing is a hoax/fantasy
please start accepting this

y'all be luck if they are 2-3 years out from now

we will hit 3ghz a bit before Macworld... and have radeon 9600's through til the end of this decade (at the earliest)
post #24 of 186
Quote:
No one has mentioned the PCI type of these computers so I can hold out hope that we get new motherboards.

Maybe not... If this rumor turns out to be true, then they're still AGP motherboards, because the Radeon 9600 doesn't come in a PCIe configuration. (I think...)

That might not be too bad, though. If I were in Apple's shoes, and looking at the introduction of the 970MP & GX in the next 6-9 months, I don't think I'd want to put a whole lot of effort into redesigning motherboards that support the 970FX, either (provided we're just getting updated FX's). Wait for the new chips before going whole hog with PCIe, built in hardware RAID support, SLI, and what the hell... throw in SATAN bus just for good measure. One free exorcism with every machine purchase!

On the other hand, if we do see a new motherboard with all the goodies & it still has the 970FX, I think that'd be more depressing-- because I think that will mean that we'll still be limping along with 200MHz/year improvements for a while. I just can't see Apple putting the effort into radically changing the motherboards for the 970FX if they're only going to support the chip for one last revision.
post #25 of 186
As someone who was going to buy a new Dual 1.8GHz Power Mac last week but am now waiting for this bump I'll be happy when I purchase a dual 2GHz Mac at the same price that the dual 1.8GHz would have cost me, saving $500.
NOTICE: While every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the information supplied herein, fahlman cannot be held responsible for any errors or omissions. Unless otherwise indicated,...
Reply
NOTICE: While every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the information supplied herein, fahlman cannot be held responsible for any errors or omissions. Unless otherwise indicated,...
Reply
post #26 of 186
Any info/speculation on price points for these updates?

b.
"The world is all that is the case"
~ Ludwig Wittgenstein
Reply
"The world is all that is the case"
~ Ludwig Wittgenstein
Reply
post #27 of 186
If this really is the best we can expect from Apple at this point, I think it would be wise of them to drop the price by $100-$200 across the board... Maybe you'll be able to pick up that dual 2GHz for LESS than you were going to spend on the dual 1.8.
post #28 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by hmurchison
No one has mentioned the PCI type of these computers so I can hold out hope that we get new motherboards.

That's because the rumor is ridiculous - how on earth can someone "spot" the CPU speeds, and not see the PCI type (not to mention the processor type), when it's written basically in the very same area on the box.

If someone has information based on "seeing" shipments, then the entire list of specs would have been reported.
post #29 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by the cool gut
That's because the rumor is ridiculous - how on earth can someone "spot" the CPU speeds, and not see the PCI type (not to mention the processor type), when it's written basically in the very same area on the box.

Furthermore, why call this very pedestrian machine "Pro"? Why not, simply, PowerMac? 160 HD, DL, 9600 does NOT a Pro make.
post #30 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by Rolo
Well, see, here's the deal. A guy like me with an old G4 PM is more likely to buy a new PM than a dood like you who already has last year's 2.5. Except I'd rather get something that uses some technology that's a bit newer than 2 years old. If I'm going to plunk down a few grand, I'd rather get something like a 970MP. I'd also like to get a system that doesn't have water cooling because you're lucky if it lasts two years. Good luck with that.

3 years of applecare - 2 yrs of life for my water cooling system = 1 year for my system to die and apple to give me a new one. thanks.
post #31 of 186
Can anyone connect to thinksecret?
Says connection refused here.. wonder if down for maintenance or other reason.
post #32 of 186
And how much dough did they charge you for that AppleCare of yours?
'L'enfer, c'est les autres' - JPS
Reply
'L'enfer, c'est les autres' - JPS
Reply
post #33 of 186
Right now I'd rather see Express than a single dual core chip.

My plans are to wait until January Macworld, and hope that they have a machine with Express and (hopefully) dual dual cores.

Tiger is multitheaded. From the specs, it looks that it will handle four cores. Panther will not.

I don't think it pays to buy a machine now that isn't Express. The PC world will be pretty much converted to Express by January (except for the cheap ones). It's going to get harder to get boards for PCI X over the next year or so because of that. S-ATA 2 is also out now,

I don't know what Apple is waiting for. They can go to Express with a 2.7 chip. That WOULD be a big upgrade.
post #34 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by Gene Clean
And how much dough did they charge you for that AppleCare of yours?

and appropriate amount, and it covers my nice 20" display too.
post #35 of 186
A more appropriate thread title seems to be in order


Updated Apple Prozac G5 systems en route to company stores
post #36 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by ipodandimac
and appropriate amount, and it covers my nice 20" display too.


So you're saying that, if your water cooling system fails in 2 years, you have your AppleCare to take care of it right? You should have also said that you paid an 'appropriate' amount of money for that AppleCare.

Systems should not fail in 2 years. But since you got AppleCare, you're all set.
'L'enfer, c'est les autres' - JPS
Reply
'L'enfer, c'est les autres' - JPS
Reply
post #37 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by Gene Clean
So you're saying that, if your water cooling system fails in 2 years, you have your AppleCare to take care of it right? You should have also said that you paid an 'appropriate' amount of money for that AppleCare.

Systems should not fail in 2 years. But since you got AppleCare, you're all set.

I like your quote about Hitchcock. I have another one.

He was asked, in an interview, about his fears. He said that the was afraid of policemen. The interviewer was surprised and asked him why.

His response was "Because they might arrest me."

Strange fellow.
post #38 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by Gamblor
Maybe not... If this rumor turns out to be true, then they're still AGP motherboards, because the Radeon 9600 doesn't come in a PCIe configuration. (I think...)

That might not be too bad, though. If I were in Apple's shoes, and looking at the introduction of the 970MP & GX in the next 6-9 months, I don't think I'd want to put a whole lot of effort into redesigning motherboards that support the 970FX, either (provided we're just getting updated FX's). Wait for the new chips before going whole hog with PCIe, built in hardware RAID support, SLI, and what the hell... throw in SATAN bus just for good measure. One free exorcism with every machine purchase!

Then this just shows stupid marketing/hardware development on Apple's side. Who's going to upgrade from any current tower to the new ones without some reason. Dual core would be a reason. Maybe 3GHz would be a reason. PCIe would definitely be a reason. But this is just another "Hey, look at us! We can't get better chips from IBM, and we don't want to spend any of our money actually trying to make the current systems better, so we're just going to take our original 2-year old machine, slap a couple extra megs of RAM in there, maybe boost the video card, and call it an upgrade.

All I know is that if that's all this update is, the only people buying them will be those who absolutely NEED them. Everyone else (including myself) will be sitting on the sideline because there ain't much there compared to what was there, again TWO YEARS AGO! Its like taking a 2003 Civic, sticking in a slightly more powerful engine, upgrading the CD player from 4 to 6 discs, and saying its a 2005 model. Sorry, I don't buy it (and no one else will, either).

What I'm seeing here is the same thing I've been saying for weeks. Calling the current crop of PowerMacs "Pro" machines is like saying the Tampa Bay Devil Rays is a "pro" baseball team.
post #39 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by AppleInsider
Apple has reportedly begun shipping new Pro desktops to some of its retail stores.

According to sources, new Apple Power Macs have already begun shipping to select Apple retail stores in the United States.

The models spotted were dual 2GHz, 2.3GHz, and 2.7GHz. All three versions reportedly sport new dual-layer DVD burners. The dual 2GHz configuration reportedly includes 512 ram, a 160 hard disk, and a 128MB ATI Radeon 9600 graphics card.

Apple is expected to make CPU-related announcements as early as Tuesday (though one source says the new Power Macs may debut on a Wednesday).

Reports also suggest the company may be in the process of updating the majority of its CPU offerings to include Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger as the default operating system.

While iMacs and eMacs are now reflecting ship times of 5-7 business days, the remainder of Apple's CPU product lines are also showing extended times today (of 1-3 business days).

Apple last introduced new CPU hardware on January 31st when it announced faster Power Book G4 laptops.

Alas , just as I thought..The TS "rumor" was right.. Im going to bet that they are not dual core either.
post #40 of 186
Quote:
Originally posted by melgross
He was asked, in an interview, about his fears. He said that the was afraid of policemen. The interviewer was surprised and asked him why.

His response was "Because they might arrest me."

Strange fellow.

Hitch's dad had him locked up when he was really young, just to see what it was like. Just for a few minutes, the idea being to keep him out of trouble later.

His movies were so visceral I think because he rode his early experiences like a cat stalking over a samurai blade, never afraid to explore the horrifying immediacy of evil.

Speaking of the "immediacy of evil." I fear the the immediacy of mediocrity at the moment, and it makes me sick to my stomach.
- - - - - - - -

- J B 7 2 -
Reply
- - - - - - - -

- J B 7 2 -
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Future Apple Hardware
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Future Apple Hardware › Updated Apple Power Mac G5 systems en route to company stores