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Several catalog resellers including MacMall are feverishly attempting to recapture copies of Apple's new Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger" operating system after the computer maker expressed extreme displeasure at learning that the next-generation operating system began shipping to some customers a full week in advance.

According to several MacMall customers, the online and catalog reseller on Tuesday began contacting buyers and asking them to return copies of Tiger that had shipped over the weekend. Apple had not planned to begin selling copies of Tiger until this Friday, April 29th.

"I received Tiger from MacMall on Monday. I installed and had a great time playing with it," said one early adopter. "At 1PM Tuesday I get a call from a MacMall customer service rep asking me to send Tiger back. They gave me a return label by email and the whole works."

Some customers have reported receiving free copies of Apple software, such as iWork, if they went through the trouble of actually returning Tiger.

One source with ties to the catalog resellers said Apple, miffed over the premature shipments, was "invalidating" copies of the OS that shipped early. The company had previously threatened some of its resellers with fines or the loss of their reseller license if they released copies of the operating system early.

MacMall will reportedly re-ship new copies of Tiger to customers on Friday.

At issue appears to be Apple's readiness to support the new operating system via its online stores and call centers, which hadn't planned to field questions on Tiger until Friday evening.

However, a source close to Apple's retail operations told AppleInsider that the company stores have been told by management not to turn away customers seeking technical support, as it's evident that copies of Tiger are now in the hands of paying customers.

Apple's retail stores began receiving copies of Tiger on Monday in preparation for a national launch event to take place this Friday evening.

Also on Tuesday, online retailer Amazon.com inadvertently leaked the specs of Apple's forthcoming Power Mac G5 revisions, which will come pre-loaded with copies of Tiger.

"Amazon.com shouldn't have done that," an Apple online store representative commented on the Amazon leak. "The Apple Store will be up and running tomorrow morning with the new Power Macs."

Amazon has since removed the description of the three new Power Mac models, which range in speeds from dual 2.0GHz to dual 2.7GHz.
post #2 of 32
Sweet deal.

Not only do you get Tiger early, you also get something free in return if you send it back. Nothing saying you have to delete your install.....

Then with the new boxes being sent out you have an unopened copy you can sell as unused!

Glorious day!
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"One source with ties to the catalog resellers said Apple, miffed over the premature shipments, was 'invalidating' copies of the OS that shipped early."

What BS. There is no possible way for Apple to do this, since there are no serial numbers. There is no way for them to differentiate between different copies.
post #4 of 32
How exactly is Apple "invalidating" these copies of OS X? We never heard of them doing that with the pirated versions (beta and non). And you can instll OS X without any kind of Internet connection needed.

That part of the story just doesn't sound true to me.

Besides, why would Apple want to, if they've already decided to give the early users tech support because (of course) it's not the buyer's fault?

(PS, what's with Apple admitting that Amazon's leaked info is true? They usually keep even the tiniest thing under wraps, no matter HOW many people actually get wind of it )
post #5 of 32
If these are true reports, can you say OVERREACTION?

I'm a big Apple fan, but please get OVER YOURSELF (if so).
post #6 of 32
I got my call at Monday afternoon. Needless to say, they gave me the whole "Apple will not honor your copy of Tiger."

I have an account with them and when I told them that I was not sending my copy back they told me that they would cancel my account. My answer was "Yeah, right...you are going to cancel a $5k/month account...go ahead." You should have heard the back peddleling. They offered iLife or iWork for free and I told them that I already have them. I aked if they would throw Final Cut Pro suite for free and the guy almost hung up on me.
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Originally posted by deepkid
If these are true reports, can you say OVERREACTION?

I'm a big Apple fan, but please get OVER YOURSELF (if so).

actually, the support issue IS a valid concern, especially if they haven't brought everyone in the support area up to speed, and thought they had at least two more days of training left.
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post #8 of 32
Its quite simple really,

Apple will not support the TIGER OS till its release date. Which is probably true. But at that time, it becomes the same as everyone else that will be calling.
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Originally posted by VTrain
"One source with ties to the catalog resellers said Apple, miffed over the premature shipments, was 'invalidating' copies of the OS that shipped early."

What BS. There is no possible way for Apple to do this, since there are no serial numbers. There is no way for them to differentiate between different copies.

Not only that but they would open themselves up to lawsuits because the customers bought it LEGALY.

the claims of no support were covered in thwe artical; - Apple wanted and planned to start support Friday, not mondasy - or last Friday. It is not the refusal to support, it is the inability to support ahead of schedual.

And just for the record - If I had got my copy a week early from a catalog, and they called demanding it back, I would kindly tell them to go to hell, they messed up, it is thier problem, not mine, PERIOD>
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Originally posted by CarlosSalcedo
I got my call at Monday afternoon. Needless to say, they gave me the whole "Apple will not honor your copy of Tiger."

I have an account with them and when I told them that I was not sending my copy back they told me that they would cancel my account. My answer was "Yeah, right...you are going to cancel a $5k/month account...go ahead." You should have heard the back peddleling. They offered iLife or iWork for free and I told them that I already have them. I aked if they would throw Final Cut Pro suite for free and the guy almost hung up on me.

Brilliant, good for you! You should maybe set your heights a bit lower - just Final Cut or Motion!.
post #11 of 32
After reading Mac news for 4 years I think this has got to be the stupidest thing that's happened - sending it back. So you're going to waste time, energy and money getting these copies back just to mail them out again in a few days? While it used to be fun, I'm starting to get sick of Apple's Launch events. Steve has everyone in a panic with knots in their stomachs. What's fun about that?
post #12 of 32
MacMall f***** somthing up? And water's wet.
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While it used to be fun, I'm starting to get sick of Apple's Launch events. Steve has everyone in a panic with knots in their stomachs. What's fun about that?

Exactly! It's time for Steve to retire again. I hear Carly Fio...whatever from HP needs a job. This time don't turn the company over to the soda jerk.
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Originally posted by bdkennedy1
After reading Mac news for 4 years I think this has got to be the stupidest thing that's happened - sending it back. So you're going to waste time, energy and money getting these copies back just to mail them out again in a few days? While it used to be fun, I'm starting to get sick of Apple's Launch events. Steve has everyone in a panic with knots in their stomachs. What's fun about that?

I agree, Steve let it go. You can do it!
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After reading Mac news for 4 years I think this has got to be the stupidest thing that's happened - sending it back. So you're going to waste time, energy and money getting these copies back just to mail them out again in a few days? While it used to be fun, I'm starting to get sick of Apple's Launch events. Steve has everyone in a panic with knots in their stomachs. What's fun about that?

As a mac n00b, what really pisses me off is that this fucking thing is EVERYWHERE - look at slashdot, look at eweek, hell look at the mother fucking Wall STreet journal for fuck sake, but you know where it is NOT? It is NOT on MY hands, eventhough I paid for it 2 stinking weeks ago, if I wouldh have ordered from MM, I would be fat and happy too - If I wanted to break the law and grab the GM till I get my box, I could have it, but NOOOO I am mister joe good morals consumer, and beleve me, coming up with money is not easy as a college student...


Maybe I should go back to my High School habbit of Bit Torrent...why the fuck not - then I could get what I FUCKING PAID FOR!!!!!

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post #16 of 32
Wow, you guys are all holding on too tight.

It is an Operating System. Let me repeat, an Operating System.

This is not the cure for cancer we are waiting for here. Go outside and get in touch with reality again....

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Originally posted by Omega
Wow, you guys are all holding on too tight.

It is an Operating System. Let me repeat, an Operating System.

This is not the cure for cancer we are waiting for here. Go outside and get in touch with reality again....


Look, when I wanted something in the bad ole days of bit torrent, I got it in a few hrs...but now that I have gone lagit I have to wait...seems like i am being punished because I am a paying customer...

even if it is just an OS, lets look at the facts from my point of view
pay 70$ wait 3+ weeks and get a pressed DVD, or for the cost of a few hrs and a dvd blank have it ~1.5 weeks ago now...hummmm
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Originally posted by a_greer
Look, when I wanted something in the bad ole days of bit torrent, I got it in a few hrs...but now that I have gone lagit I have to wait...seems like i am being punished because I am a paying customer...

well would you rather wait until the end of june like we originally thought they would? you're not waiting on anything. you PRE-ordered an operating system and it hasn't shipped yet.
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Look, when I wanted something in the bad ole days of bit torrent, I got it in a few hrs...but now that I have gone lagit I have to wait...seems like i am being punished because I am a paying customer...

even if it is just an OS, lets look at the facts from my point of view
pay 70$ wait 3+ weeks and get a pressed DVD, or for the cost of a few hrs and a dvd blank have it ~1.5 weeks ago now...hummmm

You're right. Grab your gun, go to the Apple store and demand your copy. If that doesn't work start capping people. I am sure the judge will understand, especially if he has an iPod.

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post #20 of 32
Good God what is with all of the foul language , geez and to think I let my nephew on this site because he likes Apple as well.......

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Good God what is with all of the foul language , geez and to think I let my nephew on this site because he likes Apple as well.......

Yeah can we control it guys. Apple announced the OS will be shipped 29th April. A few resellers mucked up big time and shipped it a week early - not Apple's fault - but it's bad because it causes annoyance that some get it before others. Illegal downloads are always available before a product comes out, Final Cut Suite is available May - I'm sure bittorrent will have it first.

Paying customers are not being punished, other customers - and there were only a few that got a good surprise. Chill out - it hasn't been delayed so as far as you're concerned it will arrive Friday as it said when you paid your $70(?).
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Originally posted by Omega
You're right. Grab your gun, go to the Apple store and demand your copy. If that doesn't work start capping people. I am sure the judge will understand, especially if he has an iPod.



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Two things.
- No one knew until recently that the leaked version was the GM (because no-one was 100% certain of the build number).
- When ordered, Apple state it will be sent on or before the 29th. So unless its sent after the 29th, you have no reason to complain.

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Two things.
- No one knew until recently that the leaked version was the GM (because no-one was 100% certain of the build number).
- When ordered, Apple state it will be sent on or before the 29th. So unless its sent after the 29th, you have no reason to complain.

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Actually American customers will get their order on the 29th April. Worldwide customers orders will ship on the 29th.
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I can't see wy everyone is blaming apple. The resellers are the ones that caused the issue. They are the ones spreading a little fear. The rumor mongors are the ones that are to blame here. Apple wanted to release this on the 29th. bottom line. Support will begin the 29th. All of you getting upset need to calm down and relax, Don't complain you have to wait if you ordered it and you want to do things legit. If you want it now, break the law and pull it on bt. Don't complain about the wait though if you have decided to wait.
I am soooo tired of all of your whining. Create something that you are going to make money on and have someone either release it, steal it, or make money off of it themselves and see how you feel as an individual.
This is how companies make money, if you dont like it. Try linux so i dont have to hear it anymore.
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Originally posted by homebrewsolutions
I can't see wy everyone is blaming apple. The resellers are the ones that caused the issue. They are the ones spreading a little fear. The rumor mongors are the ones that are to blame here. Apple wanted to release this on the 29th. bottom line. Support will begin the 29th. All of you getting upset need to calm down and relax, Don't complain you have to wait if you ordered it and you want to do things legit. If you want it now, break the law and pull it on bt. Don't complain about the wait though if you have decided to wait.
I am soooo tired of all of your whining. Create something that you are going to make money on and have someone either release it, steal it, or make money off of it themselves and see how you feel as an individual.
This is how companies make money, if you dont like it. Try linux so i dont have to hear it anymore.

i think a consensus has been reached because of a comment I made earlier. But yes it's not Apple's fault.
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Originally posted by Omega
Wow, you guys are all holding on too tight.

It is an Operating System. Let me repeat, an Operating System.

This is not the cure for cancer we are waiting for here. Go outside and get in touch with reality again....


Hey that's not fair. I'm 36 years old and I don't get really cool Christmas presents anymore. This is all I have
post #27 of 32
I just talked to the Apple Store...it's not guaranteed that you'll get your copy of Tiger on the 29th. It is dependent on where you live. I thought if you pre ordered before the 26th that you were guaranteed your copy by the 29th?

I pre-ordered mine on the 12th and it's not showing as shipping until tomorrow meaning I may not have it until next Monday or Tuesday.

Just a FYI.
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I just talked to the Apple Store...it's not guaranteed that you'll get your copy of Tiger on the 29th. It is dependent on where you live. I thought if you pre ordered before the 26th that you were guaranteed your copy by the 29th?

I pre-ordered mine on the 12th and it's not showing as shipping until tomorrow meaning I may not have it until next Monday or Tuesday.

Just a FYI.

According to Apple:

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I placed an order for Tiger on the online Apple Store. When will I get it?
If you place your order with us by April 26th, you will receive your software on April 29th. If you place an order after April 26th, you can check your order status on our website to find out when it ships.
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oh and btw, i was a full 3 days ahead of appleinsider on this one. though technically i got it from engadget. but still....
post #30 of 32
Well then lets hope mine ships today so it'll for sure be here on the 29th. Unless Apple believes in Overnight Shipping.
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Well if you don't know I live in NZ and I just got this link:

http://www.magnummac.co.nz/mailouts/tiger.html

Just rang them and they say that they will definitely have them in stock on Friday. And given that we are ahead in the time-zones I may have it before most of you!

This is of course assuming if I can be bothered going or not.....

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Originally posted by a_greer
lets look at the facts from my point of view
pay 70$ wait 3+ weeks and get a pressed DVD, or for the cost of a few hrs and a dvd blank have it ~1.5 weeks ago now...hummmm

So go back in time and steal it. Or better yet, wait until you get your boxed copy, and THEN steal it. You'll have two! No, wait. I know: steal it repeatedly, so that Apple can boast deeper losses while you boast that you had not just one copy before the release, but dozens! If not HUNDREDS! Come on, economics major, just think of all the DVDs you could burn for the price of just one legit copy! Take a moment to prepare CDs instead of DVDs, and the further cost benefit performance is quite simply nothing short of freaking mind-blowing.

All around, what exactly the hell is the problem here? Embargoes were violated. Who cares why Apple picked the 29th, that's the day they picked. Apple *can* and *will* pull its products from as many resellers as necessary to make it clear that they mean not to be jerked around by vacuous idiots. Then everyone will whine because nobody sells Apple's stuff but Apple, instead of whining that ordering things involves paying money in advance of the arrival of the goods. O, how the heart breaks.

I miss the days when using Apple products was about using the best products available to complete the tasks at hand. I'm a little weary of pretty boys coming around expecting oral favors just because they had enough snap to ditch Windows.

It's like going to order a burrito and having the cashier try to haggle with you over the price of guacamole, depending on whether you ordered lettuce. Maybe it's fashionable to blur the distinction between "client" and "vendor", but hip buzzwords do nothing to change the fact that pricing schemes and retail policies are not the customer's concern. It's the retailer's job to worry about crap like that. I ordered a burrito. Is someone going to sell it to me or not?

You ordered Tiger. Now do you want it or not?
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