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Along with the official roll-out of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, Apple Computer on Friday will launch the the second major revision to its .Mac internet service, deemed .Mac 3.0, sources tell AppleInsider.

The new version, which reportedly goes by the code-name "Argyle," will boast support for the company's next-generation "Tiger" operating system, allowing members to sync their keychains and Mail preferences, share family address books, and access up to five email alias addresses.

The new version will also debut with a plethora fresh templates for use with .Mac's hompage feature, including new templates for photo album and iMovies pages. Meanwhile, the .Mac Learning Center will reportedly gain several new training modules on Tiger, iLife and iWork.

Along with the release of the new service, sources said Apple will begin to phase out support for the currently featured Virex anti-virus software, which is not yet compatible with Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger. However, the company will continue to allow downloads of the software for Mac OS X 10.3 Panther users.

Sources said .Mac members should also expect an innovative new launch page, which will provide direct access to many of .Mac's features. The new start page will reportedly sport a three column layout with personalized content areas on the left, features in the center, and promotions on the far right.

In support of the release, Apple will introduce two new .Mac retail packages, including a .Mac Family Pack that will allow yearly access for up to five people for (US)$179.95. A single .Mac license will continue to retail for (US)$95.95.
post #2 of 79
Will they increase the storage? That's the main reason I haven't purchased .Mac already.

I mean c'mon, even Gmail gives you 2GBs of storage.
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post #4 of 79
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Originally posted by Apparatus
Will they increase the storage? That's the main reason I haven't purchased .Mac already.

I mean c'mon, even Gmail gives you 2GBs of storage.

There is no indication of this. From what I've heard, the family pack will also only add an additional 250MB (total).

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post #5 of 79
YES YES YES! I've been waiting for a customizable start page from Apple. Goodbye blah boring Yahoo and Netscape! FO MSN
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Any ETA on a new version of Backup?
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post #7 of 79
They expect me to pay $180 a year for a family of five? I don't think so.
post #8 of 79
Or you could pay $100 for yourself and $40 for the email accounts for others. It's not a bad deal overall. I really like .Mac and recently moved there after having my own domain name for a few years now. It is pricey, but I like having an easy to use webspace for putting up some photos and the ability to sync my Address book and Calendar (as well as my mail) so I can use it wherever I am and have it updated on my Mac at home.

I look forward to the update. I hope the update the webmail as well. It's a little on the pitiful side currently. I'd also like to see the ability to edit my calendar online. Here's hoping...
post #9 of 79
Hopefully this will give me the ability to have items sync based on individuals in the family. I don't need my wife's contacts. she should able to sync hers, I should be able to sync mine.
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I've moved to .Mac and think it's well worth the money. I would like to see additional storage - especially since Apple's server and storage costs are the lowest in the industry. While I have ordered the Tiger Family Pack I'll wait for a while on the .Mac family pack to see what it is.

I think that .Mac should be one area where Apple is very aggressive. Like iLife it COULD be a reason for moving to a Mac is they really beefed it up.
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"sources said Apple will begin to phase out support for the currently featured Virex anti-virus software"

Okay, this is rubbish. Looking beyond the fanboy myths, viruses for the Mac platform aren't an impossibility. I like getting Virex bundled with my .Mac subcription. It's an enticing bonus, allowing me constant, gratis access to a decent virus scanner. That they're "phasing it out" means I no longer have that luxury, and now I'm paying $100 a year for... what? A measly 250MB of storage? Some iPhoto pages? E-mail? A handful of Dashboard widgets? It's a joke. My ISP (Tiscali.de) gives me free e-mail and online disk space just for signing on, and there are excellent free alternatives to everything .Mac offers: Gmail, Flickr, FreeDrive, and training at MacOSX.com.

New templates are all very well, but this "upgrade" is really making me rethink why I'm paying for .Mac. I've been hounding them for blogging support, and I really thought that any improvements would take this Web phenomenon into account. But it seems that Apple is trying to give less and less for the same price.

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post #12 of 79
I want a Home Page template that lets you display photos and lets the viewers buy prints of the ones they like.
post #13 of 79
I really want blogging support and a Jabber server for .Mac users. That's all I ask.
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i can't believe people pay for .Mac! 250MB storage? like someone said, free Gmail is even giving 2.13GB or so and has a far superior webmail interface. You can get your own remotely hosted domain for a year for about half that price.

I guess it does some convenient stuff, but man, you'd have to have money to burn to actually pay for it.

they could at least give .Mac people some incentives, like a discount on Tiger, Pages, etc, but of course they don't.
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Originally posted by eji
"sources said Apple will begin to phase out support for the currently featured Virex anti-virus software"

Okay, this is rubbish. Looking beyond the fanboy myths, viruses for the Mac platform aren't an impossibility.

I pretty sure that Mac virus scanners only scan for windows viruses (so you don't accidentally sent it to someone else.) There are, literally, zero viruses on the Mac. There might be some in the future, but it's improbable.

Of course, it is still a useful application and an incentive to get .Mac
post #16 of 79
To each their own, but there's not much Apple can do to win me back as a .Mac subscriber.

A start would be to:

--Cut the price in half

--Boost the storage to 2GB

--Boost the e-mail attachment size

--Fix the horrendous iDisk Finder performance

Maybe then it would be worth getting...but as of now, it's just an overpriced service for noobs.
post #17 of 79
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Originally posted by adamrao
[B]Or you could pay $100 for yourself and $40 for the email accounts for others. It's not a bad deal overall. I really like .Mac and recently moved there after having my own domain name for a few years now. It is pricey, but I like having an easy to use webspace for putting up some photos and the ability to sync my Address book and Calendar (as well as my mail) so I can use it wherever I am and have it updated on my Mac at home.

FWIW, you can get third party alternatives for the photos and calendar syncing. For photos I use Gallery (http://gallery.sourceforge.net) and the iPhoto Gallery plugin (http://zwily.com/iphoto/). For calendars, there's phpicalendar (http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpicalendar/). Works out a lot cheaper than .mac to buy your own hosting and set these up.
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I'm in the 'pro .Mac' camp. I like the system, as it offers most of what I'm after in one neat solution. I don't consider myself a noob, but I don't want to spend loads of time with several different systems in order to do what I can do with .Mac.

Im' glad that Apple are continually adding updates / improvements to the .Mac system. Some things I'd love to see added include:
  • Blogging support - either directly within .Mac, or the ability to host a blog from somewhere like blogger.com.
  • The ability to edit photo albums, i.e. add / remove individual photos. At the moment, you can only choose to hide photos from an album, you can't actually delete them. And if you want to add pictures, you need to delete the existing one, and create a completely new version with the extra pics. Not exaclt streamlined.
  • Also, I'd love to see Apple release a simple, consumer oriented web site building tool, along the lines of the iLife software. Yes, you can use iPhoto and iMove to publish pictures and movies to your .Mac pages, but the sites it produces are very simple at best. I'd love to have more control over how my site goes together, and have a good WYSIWYG tool to help me do it.
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Originally posted by macFanDave
I want a Home Page template that lets you display photos and lets the viewers buy prints of the ones they like.

what about copyright.

In response to the Virex - I'm sure they're discontinuing it until they get one that works with Tiger. It's one of two reasons I subscribe (GMail hadn't had POP a year ago). If Apple get rid of Virex i'll switch to GMail in October.
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How does one get a gmail account? All I can find is teasers but no link to sign up!
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Originally posted by spylaw4
How does one get a gmail account? All I can find is teasers but no link to sign up!

you need someone to invite you to join - each member gets 10 invitations.
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you need someone to invite you to join - each member gets 10 invitations.

10? Try 50

I have a bunch if anyone is interested.
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post #23 of 79
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Originally posted by JLL
10? Try 50

I have a bunch if anyone is interested.

Has it gone up? I would be, can i PM you with my email?
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Has it gone up? I would be, can i PM you with my email?

Check your mail.
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Check your mail.

cool, thank you very much
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How does one get a gmail account? All I can find is teasers but no link to sign up!

I have tons sitting around still too if anybody needs.
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post #27 of 79
Well, that will save me $20 a year to start since I pay for two .Mac accounts now.

As for Gmail, while it is a nice big email account it does not offer:

- Syncing to your local desktop
- Syncing multiple computers
- Homepages
- Automatic backup (iDisk)
- Webdav (great for getting to things from work or anywhere)
- Syncing bookmarks
- Rebates and free things

And now, with Tiger and the new iSync developers are going to be able to sync a ton of things.

Imagine:
- Syncing Transmit, Adobe, iTerm, FireFox prefs, settings
- Syncing DVDPedia database.

Now that there is an API, .Mac and syncing will become even more interesting as it gets used by companies.

BZ
post #28 of 79
The Virex comment, if true, makes me wonder if Apple is going to strike a deal with someone else... or roll their own AV program.

Eventually one day viruses and spyware will hit the Mac. Just a matter of time (and of course degree).
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Originally posted by Hobbes
The Virex comment, if true, makes me wonder if Apple is going to strike a deal with someone else... or roll their own AV program.

Eventually one day viruses and spyware will hit the Mac. Just a matter of time (and of course degree).

i honestly think this has a LOT to do with the huge f*ck-up when they released a virex update, and it had the unfortunate side-effect of deleting some people's entire mailbox when it came across a suspicious email, and then those .mac subscribers came complaining to apple, since it's one of thos selling points for the .mac service. apple was left to scramble and remove the update from the .mac download page, issue a warning not to use it, and then it took, well, it felt like a LONG time for virex to fix the problems. and seriously, virex 7.6 STILL isn't tiger compatible??? it's not like mcafee (sp?) didn't know it was coming. i really thought virex being bundled with .mac was a great thing, but now it's becoming a black eye on the service.

that leaves norton (which i still don't understand why a virus app need to apply kernel extensions) or intego's virus-barrier... i agree that it's not a huge deal now compared to windows, but it's only a matter of time...
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post #30 of 79
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Originally posted by rok
i honestly think this has a LOT to do with the huge f*ck-up when they released a virex update, and it had the unfortunate side-effect of deleting some people's entire mailbox when it came across a suspicious email, and then those .mac subscribers came complaining to apple, since it's one of thos selling points for the .mac service. apple was left to scarmble and remove the update from the .mac download page, issue a warning not to use it, and then it took, well, it felt like a LONG time for virex to fix the problems. and seriously, virex 7.6 STILL isn't tiger compatible??? it's not like macafee (sp?) didn't know it was coming. i really thought virex being bundled with .mac was a great thing, but now it's becoming a black eye on the service.

Agreed. McAfee screwed up.
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Originally posted by rok
i honestly think this has a LOT to do with the huge f*ck-up when they released a virex update, and it had the unfortunate side-effect of deleting some people's entire mailbox when it came across a suspicious email, and then those .mac subscribers came complaining to apple, since it's one of thos selling points for the .mac service. apple was left to scramble and remove the update from the .mac download page, issue a warning not to use it, and then it took, well, it felt like a LONG time for virex to fix the problems. and seriously, virex 7.6 STILL isn't tiger compatible??? it's not like mcafee (sp?) didn't know it was coming. i really thought virex being bundled with .mac was a great thing, but now it's becoming a black eye on the service.

that leaves norton (which i still don't understand why a virus app need to apply kernel extensions) or intego's virus-barrier... i agree that it's not a huge deal now compared to windows, but it's only a matter of time...

when did that happen?
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when did that happen?

i believe it was the ill-fated virex 7.2 update. if macfixit hadn't made their archives subscriber-only, you could go look up the details. they had to crank it back to 7.1 for a while.

if i have my version numbers wrong, someone please feel free to correct me.
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Originally posted by rok
i believe it was the ill-fated virex 7.2 update. if macfixit hadn't made their archives subscriber-only, you could go look up the details. they had to crank it back to 7.1 for a while.

if i have my version numbers wrong, someone please feel free to correct me.

i subscribed after Virex 7.2 so had the fortune of missing this. Isn't Norton worse than McAfee though?
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Originally posted by BZ
Imagine:
- Syncing Transmit, Adobe, iTerm, FireFox prefs, settings
- Syncing DVDPedia database

wow... thunderbolt of an idea here -- what if apple and adobe worked together to allow syncing of colorsync settings over ip? then your output place could literally remotely sync your computer up to THEIR color sync profiles (if you allowed them to, of course). printing somewhere else? just switch your colorsync "location." no more surprises when the blue you saw on your screen or office printer doesn't match the blue spitting out of their printers.
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post #35 of 79
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Originally posted by adamrao
Or you could pay $100 for yourself and $40 for the email accounts for others. It's not a bad deal overall.

You would have a point if email is all I cared about. The ability of a family to sync an address book and such is really cool, but not worth the money. I would accept $100 for the family price, but anything more is ridiculous.
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
i subscribed after Virex 7.2 so had the fortune of missing this. Isn't Norton worse than McAfee though?

depends on your definition of the term "worse." like i said earlier, norton got all "kernel extension happy" when they had to update stuff for mac os x. this, in turn, broke other apps and updates because they weren't expecting those kernel extensions to be there. basically, norton took an os 9 mentality to dealing with os x. to my knowledge, norton is still the only disk maintenance and anti-viral company that uses this method to do its work.
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post #37 of 79
i hope Address book sync gets improved. When I sync between my Nokia 6600 and Macs, some contacts get currupt, duplicated, etc. Its a pain in the ass

Also, I honestly hope .Mac Webmail gets DRASTICALLY upgraded

- tell me in main page how much space I have left
- Let there be INLINE picture attachments (,mac is like h eonly service in the world that wont allow you to see attached pictures within the email... you have to download them first... aaaaggggghhh)
- Report Junk mail!!!
- better search (Spotlight technology in the webmail as well, not just To: Subject
- online filters to user created folders, etc.

If it wasnt for Sync, I think I wouldve ditched .Mac a while ago.

Version 3 better get its act together
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Originally posted by ZO
i hope Address book sync gets improved. When I sync between my Nokia 6600 and Macs, some contacts get currupt, duplicated, etc. Its a pain in the ass

Installed Tiger, tried to sync with my T610 : It erased *ALL* my contacts on the T610 without any warning !

So you should backup your phone address book before trying iSync... ;-)
post #39 of 79
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Originally posted by rok
wow... thunderbolt of an idea here -- what if apple and adobe worked together to allow syncing of colorsync settings over ip? then your output place could literally remotely sync your computer up to THEIR color sync profiles (if you allowed them to, of course). printing somewhere else? just switch your colorsync "location." no more surprises when the blue you saw on your screen or office printer doesn't match the blue spitting out of their printers.

This already happens. Photoshop embeds color profiles into every file you save.
post #40 of 79
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Originally posted by eji
"sources said Apple will begin to phase out support for the currently featured Virex anti-virus software"

Okay, this is rubbish. Looking beyond the fanboy myths, viruses for the Mac platform aren't an impossibility. I like getting Virex bundled with my .Mac subcription. It's an enticing bonus, allowing me constant, gratis access to a decent virus scanner. That they're "phasing it out" means I no longer have that luxury, and now I'm paying $100 a year for... what? A measly 250MB of storage? Some iPhoto pages? E-mail? A handful of Dashboard widgets? It's a joke. My ISP (Tiscali.de) gives me free e-mail and online disk space just for signing on, and there are excellent free alternatives to everything .Mac offers: Gmail, Flickr, FreeDrive, and training at MacOSX.com.

New templates are all very well, but this "upgrade" is really making me rethink why I'm paying for .Mac. I've been hounding them for blogging support, and I really thought that any improvements would take this Web phenomenon into account. But it seems that Apple is trying to give less and less for the same price.

did you read this article at all? read the next couple sentences, they are phasing it out because mac os tiger doesn't support the new virex version, they are incompatible. panther users still will be able to download virex.

although viruses are a possibility for mac machines, none have ever been made for mac os X. even if there were a small handful of viruses, it's just as efficient to make a software update for each virus to remove the vunerability of each virus individually. there's no point to getting virus protection software for mac. their virus definitions are a joke, the only thing anti virus programs do for mac is to prevent yourself from spreading WINDOWS VIRUSES to other people.
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