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A new version of Apple's iTunes software will reportedly boast security enhancements and handle the syncing of user contacts and calendars to and from iPods.

Apple Computer in the coming weeks is expected to introduce a new version of its iTunes jukebox software for both the Mac and PC.

The new version will pack a maintenance and security update and may also contain added support for a new wave of international music stores, now seemingly overdue.

Additionally, company documents indicate that iTunes 4.8 will take over the responsibilities of transferring contacts and calendars to a user's iPod. Previously these functions were handled by Apple's iSync application.

According to sources, the software could debut as early as the first week of May.
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Great.

Looking forward to iTunes 5.0

I'm sitting here waiting for QT7 for my PCs. I know that once it's ready for PC the launch of iTunes 5.0 can commence based on QT7. I just have a feeling actually. It makes sense to have a more robust QT in which to build the functionality of iTunes on.
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Perhaps the infamous 'Australian iTMS' will be launched at the same time. One can dream can't they?
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Fingers crossed my friend.... fingers crossed
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Well I've yet to have the luxury of using iTunes. I know shock horror. I generally didn't play music on my old laptop, and well I don't have an iPod. I decided to do the reverse iPod halo effect, get my new PowerBook (hopefully today ) and then when I get a little more money, off I go to buy an iPod.
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wait, so info management along with photos will be handled under itunes? doesn't this strike anyone else as odd? or is itunes truly the trojan horse that gets apple under every pc user's nose out there, managing everything under the sun. gosh, now there'd be a trick...
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Not odd to me, it's a great idea.

The iPod offering some non-music "Extras" like calendars could be considered odd--but it's very useful.

And if the iPod does these other things, then it's really nice to have them all handled by one app instead of many.

So having iTunes synch calendars/contacts is no more odd than HAVING calendar/contacts on your iPod.

This is just making iTunes support the iPod better.
post #8 of 48
I just want AAC VBR
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Originally posted by rok
wait, so info management along with photos will be handled under itunes? doesn't this strike anyone else as odd? or is itunes truly the trojan horse that gets apple under every pc user's nose out there, managing everything under the sun. gosh, now there'd be a trick...

I agree. It struck me odd when iTunes gained the ability to sync Photos, but they're stuck with a quandry... what to do on the Windows platform. It's easier to deliver one application for all the functionality, than separate apps (ie. iSync).

I really like the iSync application, but with Tiger having tighter sync integration, a separate application has become unnecessary.

Maybe this calls for an "iPod Manager" application from Apple that can better separates music tasks from sync tasks, and it could also handle automatic updates for the iPod.
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Originally posted by coolfactor
I agree. It struck me odd when iTunes gained the ability to sync Photos, but they're stuck with a quandry... what to do on the Windows platform. It's easier to deliver one application for all the functionality, than separate apps (ie. iSync).

I really like the iSync application, but with Tiger having tighter sync integration, a separate application has become unnecessary.

Maybe this calls for an "iPod Manager" application from Apple that can better separates music tasks from sync tasks, and it could also handle automatic updates for the iPod.

A little of both: iSync will effectively become a master application and then an iPod Manager (i.e. iTunes) will be responsible for syncing with iPods in the same way that a buried under the hood version of Missing Sync will handle PDAs and suchlike.

If Apple - or third-party Windows developers - choose to pick up the gauntlet, we could see Outlook calendar and contact integration with the iPod which would be an "arrow to the heart" to PocketPC sales in SME/corporate markets.
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post #11 of 48
Come on Apple, release iTunes 4.8 or whatever is needed so Australia can finally have its iTunes music store.

Yours truly. 8)
post #12 of 48
AAC VBR would be sweet
but what I really want is Folders for playlists, that'd be great!
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STREAMING AUDIO FOR MORE THAN ONE AIRPORT!!


and

THE ABILITY TO SYNCH LIBRARIES ACROSS DIFFERENT AUTHORIZED COMPUTERS!

I just wanted to yell in the hope that apple will hear me...

..alas,

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Perhaps the infamous 'Australian iTMS' will be launched at the same time. One can dream can't they?

i think an aussie iTMS would be fab. personally though i am dreading it. my new ANZ credit card is on its way (old one expired) and i will be cutting it up soon too if iTMS store opens...

after a much discipline life i succumbed to credit card excess i blame the ambitiously hedonistic Sydney lifestyle

i'll be saying 5 million hail marys for years to come and i'm not even catholic !!!
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I'm afraid to upgrade to iTunes 4.8, it seems we loose more features with Apples music policing policies then gain.

Policing policies can polish my Polish poker.
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The new version will pack a maintenance and security update

I have to agree wiht a poster at digg.com , where is the security hole in iTunes or iTMS, Digital restriction managment lockdown and reducing utility to the consumer even further is NOT a security enhancement, period.

and furthermore, iTMS is nothing more than a catch for ipod n00bs so long as you get a stinkin' 128k file
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Originally posted by a_greer
I have to agree wiht a poster at digg.com , where is the security hole in iTunes or iTMS, Digital restriction managment lockdown and reducing utility to the consumer even further is NOT a security enhancement, period.

and furthermore, iTMS is mothing more than a catch for ipod n00bs so long as you get a stinkin' 128k file

a stinkin' 128k AAC file, IIRC
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a stinkin' 128k AAC file, IIRC

I dont care what the codex is, no codec really sounds superb at 128k - At~$0.97 a song on an alblum, I want CD quality, This is a little cheaper than a CD ctore but not by much, and they have lower overhead - no physical media to print, all they need is a few racks of servers and raids and a couple OC3 lines that is nothing compared to the overhead of the brick and morter CD store or chain
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I want CD quality,

No such thing. CD quality is simply 16-bit 44.1 kill o'hurts. I've had plenty a CD that sounds like total shiza. I've also had CD that sound grrrrrrrrrrrrreat. It's all in the tracking, engineering and mastering. While I don't have my AAC playing through tower Dunleavy I think they sound fine for the masses. Audiophiles are accustomed to paying more for their music and thus would be getting the CD or the DVD-Audio/SACD or, if you're lucky, the Vinyl.

I would like to see maybe variable bit recording and HE-AAC.
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post #20 of 48
Sounds like they are centralizing iTunes to do these features, because they will soon be packing more. Obviously I have no idea what they are
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No such thing. CD quality is simply 16-bit 44.1 kill o'hurts. I've had plenty a CD that sounds like total shiza. I've also had CD that sound grrrrrrrrrrrrreat. It's all in the tracking, engineering and mastering. While I don't have my AAC playing through tower Dunleavy I think they sound fine for the masses. Audiophiles are accustomed to paying more for their music and thus would be getting the CD or the DVD-Audio/SACD or, if you're lucky, the Vinyl.

I would like to see maybe variable bit recording and HE-AAC.

when i had cash to blow about a year and a half ago it was awesome listening to Trance dance music on vinyl....
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Originally posted by sunilraman
after a much discipline life i succumbed to credit card excess i blame the ambitiously hedonistic Sydney lifestyle

I know what you mean. My card has a BIG hole in it; I got my PowerBook today. So I decided not to get the iPod until I get my finances under control (again).
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No such thing. CD quality is simply 16-bit 44.1 kill o'hurts. I've had plenty a CD that sounds like total shiza. I've also had CD that sound grrrrrrrrrrrrreat. It's all in the tracking, engineering and mastering. While I don't have my AAC playing through tower Dunleavy I think they sound fine for the masses. Audiophiles are accustomed to paying more for their music and thus would be getting the CD or the DVD-Audio/SACD or, if you're lucky, the Vinyl.

I would like to see maybe variable bit recording and HE-AAC.

I understand all of that but, assumeing the cd version sounds great, that same thing in 128k mp3 or is good, but not worth as much as something that is the best quality availible to the general public.
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No such thing. CD quality is simply 16-bit 44.1 kill o'hurts. I've had plenty a CD that sounds like total shiza. I've also had CD that sound grrrrrrrrrrrrreat. It's all in the tracking, engineering and mastering.

I'd say there is such a thing as "CD quality" in the sense that 16-bit 44.1 kHz PCM provides a certain (quite high) upper limit on sound quality. The upper limit isn't nearly so high for a 128 kbps AAC file. "CD quality" encoding won't, of course, make badly recorded music sound better, but AAC 128 kbps encoding certainly can make high-quality recordings sound worse.

I'd like to see iTMS at least offering 192 kbps AAC. Real is managing to do so now.

This said, I personally am not all that particularly sensitive to lossy compression artifacts. Oh, I can hear them sometimes, especially in A/B comparisons, but not easily except for a few hey-listen-to-this demonstrations of particular encoding flaws. I certainly don't get that "Aaaccckkk! This sounds like crap!" (over?)reaction that I've come across many times on these forums.
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I'd like to see iTMS at least offering 192 kbps AAC. Real is managing to do so now.[/B]

I would like to see them offer an option. I would pay a little extra for higher quality files, but I would probably select 160 Kbps AAC.
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Shetline the only problem with that is the quandry of


"What is better?"


A rip from a 16/44.1 CD

a rip from a Master recording?


The endgame is still 128bit but the source varies. Apple does say that many of their files are supposed to be from high quality sources.
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Apple does say that many of their files are supposed to be from high quality sources.

Yeah. At least thirteen is my guess...
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13 what?
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I love iTunes as it is at the moment, what on earth could they include to make iTunes 5 even better?

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I would like to see them offer an option. I would pay a little extra for higher quality files, but I would probably select 160 Kbps AAC.

Considering that there's a lower distribution cost for online digital music compared to physical CDs, and that either 160 or 192 kbps are still inferior to the sound quality of CDs, I should think that rates as high as 192 kbps should be available at no extra cost -- with the user not having to chose based on price, but rather based on his own priorities regarding quality vs. storage requirements and download time.

I would, however, be willing to pay a small premium, say $0.25 per track, to re-download, at a higher bit rate, music which I've already purchased at a lower bit rate, when and if higher bit rates become available.
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I suppose it makes sense to put the syncing into iTunes. Leaves them with code cross-compatibility on both supported platforms. However being a Mac user, it does seem odd to move them from iSync into iTunes. Provides a way to tie iTunes closer to the iPod.

As far as the 128kbps AAC files. What it comes down to is not only the quality of the music at that compression rate, but also the amount of time it takes to download the file. Apple obviously determined 128k was the best rate for the most people. It would be nice if Apple offered two rates; 128k and possibly 192k and added a "preferred rate" option in the user's account profile. Would make everyone happy (well almost) and still keep the one-click purchase simplicity of the store.
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I love iTunes as it is at the moment, what on earth could they include to make iTunes 5 even better?


This is an area of concern - look at what happened to MS Office, with feachure creap, and bloat, each version gets fatter \\and more convoluted to use, I Hope apple doesnt let this happen to itunes
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Come on, you're missing the big point here...to disable Real's hack job once again, Didn't I just read something the other day that Harmony was "fixed" by Real and it works again? So obviously iTunes 4.8 is coming to lock Real out of our iPods again. Thank Goodness, people who use Real products are destined to a life of misery.
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Originally posted by a_greer
I understand all of that but, assumeing the cd version sounds great, that same thing in 128k mp3 or is good, but not worth as much as something that is the best quality availible to the general public.

then buy the CD and rip it. iTunes is not aimed at you, it's aimed at the average person who really can't hear the difference between 128k AAC and a CD. seriously, albums are the same price on iTunes as they are in stores.

then if you buy the CD you have a hard copy without DRM
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Great.

Looking forward to iTunes 5.0

I'm sitting here waiting for QT7 for my PCs. I know that once it's ready for PC the launch of iTunes 5.0 can commence based on QT7. I just have a feeling actually. It makes sense to have a more robust QT in which to build the functionality of iTunes on.

I agree that QT7 and iTunes are tied at the hilt, and thus with no QT7 for Windows there's no updated iTunes yet.
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i hope we will get a little bit more than just the option to add calenders and contacts to the iPod.
OK, i know, the iPod is pretty important for apple. but iTunes needs some serious enhancements on the audio part. there are so many features missing... and even more critical is the cpu consumption. i love iTunes, and all the guys i recommended iTunes too, but if you look at the amount of system resources it uses... i could cry. this has to change soon.
and... for iTunes 5 i hope we will get more advanced playlists and more support for other codecs (although i don't believe in this one).
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Originally posted by Relic
I'm afraid to upgrade to iTunes 4.8, it seems we loose more features with Apples music policing policies then gain.

Policing policies can polish my Polish poker.

Hey Relic,

Those words at the bottom of your post, they are very familiar to me but I'm not sure where from. Are they from 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe?'. Please remind me who said them.

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13 what?

Songs.
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Now that we have DVD-A and SACD, when will our beloved iTunes rip from these higher resolution formats? I don't need surround-sound tunes (although the 5.1 support built in to AirPort Extreme is certainly telling) but I always want to rip from the highest quality source, and since I already have a CD/DVD drive, it should be able to read these formats.

I'm just not that familiar with SACD and DVD-A formats. I thought SACD was backwards compatible, and if that's the case for all I know the OS only reveals the basic audio tracks.
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Hey Relic,

Those words at the bottom of your post, they are very familiar to me but I'm not sure where from. Are they from 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe?'. Please remind me who said them.

Roy Batty, Blade Runner. Sheesh.

My guess is that we'll see lyrics support sometime in the next couple of iterations. May be 4.8, may be 5.0, dunno.
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