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5/9/05 at 11:22am
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Rumor: iTunes Switzerland on Tuesday?

Apple tomorrow will hold a press conference in Zurich, Switzerland to unveil a localized version of its iTunes music download service, according to French iPod news site iPodGeneration.

The press event is scheduled for 11:30am local time, according to the news site. No further details were reported and it remains unclear if iTunes music stores for Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Australia will be part of the announcement.

Last week a source told The Courier-Mail that Apple had planned to launch an Australian version of its iTunes music store on April 28th, but had to sideline plans because one unnamed major record company refused to sign an agreement in time.

The Australian launch was originally rumored to coincide with the launch of iTunes music stores in the four aforementioned countries.

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Canada's first Apple retail store, located in the Yorkdale Shopping Center, could open as early as next week.

Over the weekend workers preparing the store for launch apparently vacated the premise without closing the makeshift doors behind them. One member of ehMac, a Canadian Mac community site, was able to snap the first photos (page 1, page 2) of the store's near-complete interior.

The Yorkdale Shopping Center has penciled the Apple Store for a May 14th launch, according to AppleInsider correspondents. However, mall representatives said the date is an approximation.

iTunes 4.8 Plays QuickTime Movies

Apple today quietly released iTunes 4.8. According to the company, the software "includes new Music Store features and support for transferring contacts and calendars from your computer to your iPod."

One feature Apple curiously failed to mention is video support. The new version is capable of not only storing, but also displaying QuickTime video content (picture 1, picture2, picture3).

New options built into the iTunes "Advanced" preference pane let users choose whether they want video content to display in "the main window," "a separate window," or "full screen."

Let the speculation begin...
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post #2 of 125
5/9/05 at 11:45am
iPod video anyone?
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post #3 of 125
5/9/05 at 11:55am
30" HD cinema display w/ a tricked out mac mini streaming episode III "Revenge of the Sith" straight from "iFlicks"....SOON!
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post #4 of 125
5/9/05 at 11:56am
Will this end complaints about fullscreen mode being available in QuickTime Player Pro only?
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post #5 of 125
5/9/05 at 12:05pm
Well I can't even get movies to play in iTunes!

Edit: some videos work but no full-screen controls. Also you can't buy any videos on the iTMS so what's the point.
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post #6 of 125
5/9/05 at 12:18pm
The only way I see video support fits iTunes is if it is used for music videos and similar music support material. For instance, think iTunes visualizations which use video material for songs where it is available. Video store in iTunes is silly unless they build it into a general purpose media player.
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Will this end complaints about fullscreen mode being available in QuickTime Player Pro only?

No, and it should not.

Essential player features missing from QT Player is silly, and again unless they make iTunes a general purpose player, it's not a replacement.

Also, video editing is what iMovie/Final Cut Express/Final Cut are for. I understand editing is the "justification" for QT Player Pro. Can this app do something that the other three apps can, and if it can, why is the functionality not in the others?

I also question the need for the DVD Player, when DVD playing could be a part of QT Player.

That said, I don't think I am in the target market of any of these apps. VLC and MPlayer fill my needs pretty well though they could be more stable and make at least some effort to play broken content.
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post #7 of 125
5/9/05 at 12:27pm
Yeah, well, they could make that effort, but they could also cease to exist.
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post #8 of 125
5/9/05 at 12:29pm
Contact pictures are still not transferred to the iPod photo - I know vcards don't support pictures but urgh, grrrrr
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post #9 of 125
5/9/05 at 12:53pm
I thinking movie service something like pay per view or maybe a subscription service for movies, anyways that would be way in the future, but I think apple is just starting to develop the sowtware required for a launch this size.

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post #10 of 125
5/9/05 at 12:58pm
I though Apple was not into the swiss army knife approach? iTunes supports audio, photos, and now video. At this point, the app is ready to be renamed (iMedia?).

A standalone QuickTime player also seems less and less necessary at all, let alone a Pro version.
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post #11 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:09pm
I agree. I do not particularly care to have iTunes playing video. That is what we have QuickTime for now.
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post #12 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:11pm
Syncing is totally screwed up conceptually in Tiger it seems.

First they left off activating iSync from the sync menu bar icon unless you already had iSync open so syncing your phone no longer worked.

Now they move contacts/calendar syncing FROM iSync to iTunes if you're using an iPod.

I don't know what they do with iPod syncing on Windows where they don't have iSync but moving sync from iSync into the apps on MacOS - and not even the right apps - just seems wrong.

What next? They move music syncing into iCal?

iSync seems to do less and less when it was the one place you could click one button and have all your devices up to date. What's the point of it if I now have to click sync in three places instead of one.
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post #13 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:13pm
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Originally posted by kwsanders
I agree. I do not particularly care to have iTunes playing video. That is what we have QuickTime for now.

From a positive standpoint, it would be one less app for most to open, both mac and pc.
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post #14 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:18pm
Play a video in iTunes 4.8 and then click on your Library. After that click on the button that shows you the artwork of a song and it will play the video in that window, how sweet is that.
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post #15 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:18pm
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Originally posted by deepkid
From a positive standpoint, it would be one less app for most to open, both mac and pc.

I understand what you are saying, but you wouldn't use your dishwasher to wash clothes nor would you use your washing machine to wash your dishes. It just doesn't work very well. They do the thing that they were designed for very well.

The same with software. iTunes does music very well. QuickTime does video very well. When we start combining utilities like this, the apps that do things very well end up being single apps that do many things mediocre.

Just because Apple can do it, doesn't mean that they should.

Just my $0.02.
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post #16 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:20pm
I don't understand. I'm running iTunes 4.7.1 and I can play video in it just fine. In fact, when I click on a Movie Trailer from the QT 7 launch page on the right hand side, they all play via iTunes.

iTunes 4.7 being able to play video was widely known, so what am I missing?

It seems that just some new video prefs/features and content have been added, possibly why they "curiously failed to mention" it?

Thanks for any info!
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post #17 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:21pm
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Originally posted by Gon
The only way I see video support fits iTunes is if it is used for music videos and similar music support material. For instance, think iTunes visualizations which use video material for songs where it is available. Video store in iTunes is silly unless they build it into a general purpose media player. No, and it should not.

Essential player features missing from QT Player is silly, and again unless they make iTunes a general purpose player, it's not a replacement.

Also, video editing is what iMovie/Final Cut Express/Final Cut are for. I understand editing is the "justification" for QT Player Pro. Can this app do something that the other three apps can, and if it can, why is the functionality not in the others?

I also question the need for the DVD Player, when DVD playing could be a part of QT Player.

That said, I don't think I am in the target market of any of these apps. VLC and MPlayer fill my needs pretty well though they could be more stable and make at least some effort to play broken content.

The "Pro" label we get with the $30 key is not just to enable editing in a primitive way within Quicktime Player so much as it is to open codecs that are not available.

You will notice in iMovie/Express/FCP that there are save, export, compress, etc. features and codecs that were not there before.

I do feel that Apple should make Player a full featured player, without these extra codecs and without charging.

But, you use them, you are getting your money's worth.

If iTunes becomes that full featured player, it would make sense.

There is no reason tha Apple needs to have both a DVD player and a music player, esp. along with the Quicktime player.

This should be wrapped into one player. iTunes seems to be the best place for it as most people are familliar with it. If Apple is planning to have music videos download thru it, that would make sense as well.

If they also use it for Tv and movies, they might have to re-work the name to reflect that. It's a tough name to improve upon. I can think of a few, but none of them rolls off the tongue as easily.
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post #18 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:24pm
Syncing in Tiger is a huge step backwards. Previously, there was one place to sync .mac and all devices: iSync. Now we need to go different places for .mac and device synchronization.
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post #19 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:26pm
iTunes is nothing more than a specialized interface to the underlying QuickTime frameworks.

While I'm not sold on iTunes being my QuickTime movie manager, I've long felt that something from Apple that aids in the organizing, cataloguing and grouping of QuickTime movies was needed. iTunes isn't a perfect solution for this at present, but I'm willing to let it try to be in the future.
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post #20 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:26pm
From http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/

"iTunes is licensed for reproduction of non-copyrighted materials or materials the user is legally permitted to reproduce. Purchases from the iTunes Music Store are available only in Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and the United States. #1 music download store according to Nielsen SoundScan"

Sorry Australia....
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post #21 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:31pm
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Originally posted by kwsanders
I understand what you are saying, but you wouldn't use your dishwasher to wash clothes nor would you use your washing machine to wash your dishes. It just doesn't work very well. They do the thing that they were designed for very well.

The same with software. iTunes does music very well. QuickTime does video very well. When we start combining utilities like this, the apps that do things very well end up being single apps that do many things mediocre.

Just because Apple can do it, doesn't mean that they should.

Just my $0.02.

It's not equivelant. Hardware must be specialized to work well. Software is different.

That's like saying that Toast should be broken into 6 programs. One for CD data, one for CD music, one for CD video, one for DVD data, one for DVD music, and one for DVD video. There's no reason for that. It's easier to just click, if you even have to, to select what you want to do than to have to maintain, install, and use six fifferent programs.

If iTunes can do it all, then when media appears, iTunes will open up and display what is needed for that media. no problem there. For those of us who are old timers, it's one thing, but for newbies, one app is much easier. It would be for us as well, once we got over our reluctance.
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post #22 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:31pm
I am underwhelmed by the iTunes 4.8 release. From the point of view of someone who uses a PC, iTunes is great to buy music, stream music to airport express and sync to iPod. For my video files, I use trusty ol' WMP just fine (Ha! I get free full screen video! ). Truth is that I don't need my Jukebox to handle my videos, especially since I don't have any .mov files! I am not sure what Steve has in mind with this release of iTunes, but I guess I just have to go along and have faith that someday soon it will all be revealed and I will slap my hand to my forehead and say "of course...! Its so simple...!"
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post #23 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:33pm
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Originally posted by mike3k
Syncing in Tiger is a huge step backwards. Previously, there was one place to sync .mac and all devices: iSync. Now we need to go different places for .mac and device synchronization.

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Originally posted by socokid
I don't understand. I'm running iTunes 4.7.1 and I can play video in it just fine. In fact, when I click on a Movie Trailer from the QT 7 launch page on the right hand side, they all play via iTunes.

iTunes 4.7 being able to play video was widely known, so what am I missing?

Thank you both for your voices of sanity. Video is not new in 4.8, that was a feature in the last version. And since when is moving what used to be a single click of a single button to 5 different apps a good thing?!
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post #24 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:36pm
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Originally posted by socokid
I don't understand. I'm running iTunes 4.7.1 and I can play video in it just fine. In fact, when I click on a Movie Trailer from the QT 7 launch page on the right hand side, they all play via iTunes.

iTunes 4.7 being able to play video was widely known, so what am I missing?

It seems that just some new video prefs/features and content have been added, possibly why they "curiously failed to mention" it?

Thanks for any info!

You can now import video and play it from within iTunes. This is great for people who have large collections of video content...perhaps more so for music video content, but it makes sense for TV content or home video as well. You can use the info fields to search and organize your content.

Really cool is that you can create video playlists. One video can play to the next, even if they are different sizes...and of course you can shuffle or repeat.

It's a step in the right direction, but of course I want to be able to buy TV shows online ($1 for a 30 minute show without commercials).
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post #25 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:45pm
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Originally posted by macslut
You can now import video and play it from within iTunes. This is great for people who have large collections of video content...perhaps more so for music video content, but it makes sense for TV content or home video as well. You can use the info fields to search and organize your content.

Really cool is that you can create video playlists. One video can play to the next, even if they are different sizes...and of course you can shuffle or repeat.

It's a step in the right direction, but of course I want to be able to buy TV shows online ($1 for a 30 minute show without commercials).

Correct, it IS a real addition. I wish you luck with the $1 Tv show though. If they sell them (or rent them) it would probably cost more than that.
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post #26 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:47pm
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Originally posted by melgross
If iTunes can do it all, then when media appears, iTunes will open up and display what is needed for that media. no problem there. For those of us who are old timers, it's one thing, but for newbies, one app is much easier. It would be for us as well, once we got over our reluctance.

That is a good point. I guess I would have to get over my reluctance to something like this. I did not realize until just now that iTunes was built on the QuickTime framework. Thus, in this case, Apple is just making intended progression with iTunes is appears.
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post #27 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:49pm
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Originally posted by kwsanders
I understand what you are saying, but you wouldn't use your dishwasher to wash clothes nor would you use your washing machine to wash your dishes. It just doesn't work very well. They do the thing that they were designed for very well.

I'd like not to think of iTunes as dirty dishwater, but I understand what you mean. (There are more pleasurable uses for dirty dishwater. ) HOWEVER, Apple's move to let iTunes play video in this fashion is interesting on several fronts, including giving windows media player a more direct run for it's money.

Think about the bajillion number of windows pc owners who already have iTunes installed. Even if there are no true plans to sell video downloads, Apple probably figures that it would be easier to get win pc users accustomed to doing video 'the Apple way' by introducing it through software that they're already comfortable with. Forget about them being procactive in using the Quicktime app, itself.

As someone mentioned above, it's a much better way to organize more than a handful of video clips compared with today's methods and I welcome it.
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post #28 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:50pm
Darn it. See. they added video clips to iPhoto too.. so which is it Apple? Where do you want me to Organize my files? I like Cellulo.. but want an Apple product.

The advantage to Cellulo and iPhoto are they have thumbnails (and a hint at what is within.. but iTunes??!??!
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post #29 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:51pm
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You can now import video and play it from within iTunes. This is great for people who have large collections of video content...perhaps more so for music video content, but it makes sense for TV content or home video as well. You can use the info fields to search and organize your content.

Ahh, thanks. The article was very misleading, as QT support wasn't added, just new features, importing, organizing, etc...

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"The new version is capable of not only storing, but also displaying QuickTime video"

It could display QT video previously, so I was confused.

Thanks again!
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post #30 of 125
5/9/05 at 1:55pm
The ad by UBS (a Swiss bank) about downloading music that was linked to a few days ago has been put on numerous billboards this evening in Zurich. I literally saw a guy putting one up.

iTMS Switzerland is certainly going to happen tomorrow.
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post #31 of 125
5/9/05 at 2:02pm
Check out the Help (open Apple-?)

Click on the links.

They don't work.

Nice going guys.

Click on What's New in iTunes?

The textfield resets itself for a Question.

I want to say, "What's New in iTunes?"

Is anyone else noticing the lack of Help documents?
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post #32 of 125
5/9/05 at 2:03pm
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Originally posted by Gon
The only way I see video support fits iTunes is if it is used for music videos and similar music support material. For instance, think iTunes visualizations which use video material for songs where it is available. Video store in iTunes is silly unless they build it into a general purpose media player. No, and it should not.

I think music videos is the logical first step into the iVideo store realm. They are much smaller than a full movies and, as you descirbe, would be an easy next step in terms of the iPod and on screen display.
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post #33 of 125
5/9/05 at 2:13pm
iPhoto is for personal created stuff , photos and videos I took

iTunes is for commercial stuff, songs and videos others created
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post #34 of 125
5/9/05 at 2:19pm
Hi,

I don't know if I'm able to upload images (someone let me know how please) but when I plugged in my iPod after adding a few videos to my iTunes library I got this message:

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Some of the songs in the iTunes music library, including the song "*****", were not copied to the iPod "*****" because they cannot be played on this iPod.

"This" iPod? Is a video clip (at least) playing iPod on the cards?

BTW, I know the message says "songs" but the "song" was a video file.
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post #35 of 125
5/9/05 at 3:00pm
I think they should just expand QuickTime into a full-blown video manager. Either that or rename iTunes and get rid of QuickTime. iSync needs to go back to the way it was. I'm tired of all this crossover and convoluted mess.
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post #36 of 125
5/9/05 at 3:07pm
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Originally posted by Fireball1244
iTunes is nothing more than a specialized interface to the underlying QuickTime frameworks.

While I'm not sold on iTunes being my QuickTime movie manager, I've long felt that something from Apple that aids in the organizing, cataloguing and grouping of QuickTime movies was needed. iTunes isn't a perfect solution for this at present, but I'm willing to let it try to be in the future.

iTunes can't play AVI or even all MPEG formats so it's quite limited and an organisational tool would be nice - but i want iTunes to organise my music but I have my own organisation for movies. I think this is for music videos which will be the new features on the iTMS tomorrow (Tuesday is the day they update).
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post #37 of 125
5/9/05 at 3:12pm
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Originally posted by JonE
I think they should just expand QuickTime into a full-blown video manager. Either that or rename iTunes and get rid of QuickTime. iSync needs to go back to the way it was. I'm tired of all this crossover and convoluted mess.

I agree i have to sync twice - .Mac and Phone - however if you have .Mac on automatic then you only need to press once - BUT the menu bar icon wont work with iSync only .Mac! If they go to iCal then it'll be awful - you'll have to go to each individual app to sync.
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post #38 of 125
5/9/05 at 3:12pm
Okay - unless I'm completely dense ... I can't import and play any of my personal QuickTime movies within the new iTunes.

I try using the import function "add to library", choose a clip from my drive, and iTunes crashes. I've tried it with a variety of .MOVs, all of which are MJPG clips produced by my digitial camera (Olympus) - no luck. I also tried some .MPG files, .AVI, and other formats - either iTunes crashes or, in the case of the .MPGs, it goes back to the library and nothing has been added.

OH - and a very weird thing; I opened up System Prefs after this was happening because my scroll arrows in iTunes were suddenly at the bottom instead of top and bottom and I got a message box saying that my settings for Ink and something else had been updated and did I want to use the new settings. WHAAAAAAAA?

Am I missing something? Does it only work with .MP4's or ...?

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5/9/05 at 3:29pm
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Originally posted by Nebagakid
iPhoto is for personal created stuff , photos and videos I took

iTunes is for commercial stuff, songs and videos others created

I have this right called "fair use". It means I can take some of that stuff others created, edit and mix it and add to it and thus create new stuff.

The division of work you outline smells of copyright moguls. It is almost certain that the app that contained the stuff from others would disallow editing. I do not appreciate that. Video is video, sound is sound, photos are photos. If I have it I want to be able to do stuff with it.

(rhetorical question) Where would you put the music and voice recordings you created?
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5/9/05 at 3:35pm
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Originally posted by Not Unlike Myself
Darn it. See. they added video clips to iPhoto too.. so which is it Apple? Where do you want me to Organize my files? I like Cellulo.. but want an Apple product.

The advantage to Cellulo and iPhoto are they have thumbnails (and a hint at what is within.. but iTunes??!??!


iTunes gives you a hint. When you click on the movie file, the first frame of the movie is displayed in the artwork pane. Although this IS a problem for videos that begin with black
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