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post #41 of 125
5/9/05 at 3:40pm
Hmm, things are certainly getting a little messy on the Apple apps front.

I am quite in favour of adding a feature to iTunes for auto-syncing your contacts when you sync your music, but that is all we need. Leave iSync in place to still do this and everything else.

The movie thing is a bit strange, maybe there are going to sell music videos from iTMS, guess we'll see tomorrow. Or maybe Apple will make an iPod movie after all. Interesting. This update raises a lot of questions, which hopefully will make more sense in a few months time.
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post #42 of 125
5/9/05 at 3:43pm
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Originally posted by G_Warren
Hmm, things are certainly getting a little messy on the Apple apps front.

I am quite in favour of adding a feature to iTunes for auto-syncing your contacts when you sync your music, but that is all we need. Leave iSync in place to still do this and everything else.

The movie thing is a bit strange, maybe there are going to sell music videos from iTMS, guess we'll see tomorrow. Or maybe Apple will make an iPod movie after all. Interesting. This update raises a lot of questions, which hopefully will make more sense in a few months time.

I suspected music videos it's all a bit messy - but then we don;t want two apps to sync the iPod with - but movies don't sync YET! They could make a separate app called iVideo and then make it work with iTunes (like iPhoto)
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post #43 of 125
5/9/05 at 3:44pm
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Originally posted by Not Unlike Myself
Darn it. See. they added video clips to iPhoto too.. so which is it Apple? Where do you want me to Organize my files? I like Cellulo.. but want an Apple product.

The advantage to Cellulo and iPhoto are they have thumbnails (and a hint at what is within.. but iTunes??!??!

I think the right place for that organization would be the file system.

Of course you need specific tools to edit things inside the files, and probably specific browser tools as well... but ultimately it would be best if all that filetype-specific organization happened under the umbrella of the filesystem, thus not only directly findable with Spotlight, but also so you could mix and match organization tools/interfaces in just the combination you like. You could organize photos and videos with iPhoto, then ditch it and switch to a different program for just the videos and another for the photos, etc. and because all these would just be views into the file system, there would be no "library" data to migrate. You could even switch many times per hour - use one app to browse photos, and another to edit their metadata.
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post #44 of 125
5/9/05 at 3:47pm
I think it makes more sense if Apple sells music videos. That way, you keep your music videos in iTunes, and still use everything else the way you did yesterday.
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post #45 of 125
5/9/05 at 3:50pm
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Originally posted by G_Warren
I am quite in favour of adding a feature to iTunes for auto-syncing your contacts when you sync your music, but that is all we need. Leave iSync in place to still do this and everything else.

On a Mac, why would you want the setting in iTunes when iSync can deal with it automatically in the background? Everything related to syncing should be in the logical place - iSync - and that's it, IMO.

On Windows it's totally understandable the setting is in iTunes so they don't have to put in a separate program just to get Outlook entries onto iPod.
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post #46 of 125
5/9/05 at 3:51pm
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Originally posted by Gon
On a Mac, why would you want the setting in iTunes when iSync can deal with it automatically in the background? Everything related to syncing should be in the logical place - iSync - and that's it, IMO.

On Windows it's totally understandable the setting is in iTunes so they don't have to put in a separate program just to get Outlook entries onto iPod.

i thought the contact thing only worked on macs anyway
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post #47 of 125
5/9/05 at 3:53pm
You know, after adding all of my many small quicktime movies from the internet, as well as music videos, as well as actual DVD's that I've ripped. I've discovered iTunes to be extremely helpful in making sense of my mess. Before I was organizing all the files in the finder. It's much easier to browse them from iTunes now. I can rate them and all that now. The only thing that's missing is a contextual menu to allow me to open them with Quicktime. (no live resizing, on-screen controls, etc. in iTunes)
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post #48 of 125
5/9/05 at 4:24pm
I like the idea of iTunes being the all-in-one manager of audio/visual content. That said however, it needs to add "Music Library" and "Video Library" to split them up. Much like the way Mail splits a .Mac account and a POP account for example. Smart playlists can include both video and audio files, but you can browse music and video separately. Of course clicking on the Video Library and searching for "Star Wars" will bring up any Star Wars trailers, movies instead of clicking Library at the moment and having the sound track and whatever come up.

iTunes would also be better with a new name to show it can do video as well. iPod doesn't necessarily mean music, although people now know it for that. i don't think iTunes will be renamed at all though.

If they don't add a way to separate libraries, then all my movies will be in my music folder... I don't want that even if they are music videos. I would hope, if Apple is going down the all-in-one media player (which looks almost certain now), that these overhauls to integrate video better, yet seperate the libraries come with iTunes 5. Maybe a different layout for the video library, like the iPhoto library, but with screenshots of the video. And those shots need to be of the movie half way through, rather than the first frame which is generally black.
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post #49 of 125
5/9/05 at 4:27pm
I think Daniel has hit the nail on the head. An integrated movie/music application with two libraries and smart playlists etc. We will also be able to buy music videos, eventually they will add movies when we have decent broadband connections.
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post #50 of 125
5/9/05 at 4:34pm
The only way you are going to get a static frame of a video to help in recognition more than 10% of the time is to pick it by hand.

A good automated approach would pick a few points in the video file by random and successively show a three second clip from each.
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post #51 of 125
5/9/05 at 4:34pm
It seems like video is at least something that's going to be considered an attribute of songs in the iTunes database.

Browsing through the strings in the iTunes executable, I found "Has Video" alongside other attributes such as "Bit Rate," "Rating," etc.

Even better: Alongside the string "Purchased Music": "Purchased Videos"!
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post #52 of 125
5/9/05 at 4:34pm
I just played a QuickTime video using QuickTime Player (not iTunes, mind you) and sure enough, it played fullscreen. It even has an option in the menu bar of playing the movie fullscreen. This was under XP, not sure if it works under OS X.
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post #53 of 125
5/9/05 at 4:36pm
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
I just played a QuickTime video using QuickTime Player (not iTunes, mind you) and sure enough, it played fullscreen. It even has an option in the menu bar of playing the movie fullscreen. This was under XP, not sure if it works under OS X.

You must have QTPro
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post #54 of 125
5/9/05 at 4:42pm
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Originally posted by Not Unlike Myself
Darn it. See. they added video clips to iPhoto too.. so which is it Apple? Where do you want me to Organize my files?

That's a really good question.
Especially with spotlight now.

The thing is it makes sense for iPhoto to have movies since still cameras take them. So now, for still photos, what exactly is the difference between an iPhoto-slideshow and an iMovie full of slides? Or if I make a home movie with 20 movie clips why not just organise them as an iPhoto show and add music there?

I guess at some point, iTunes becomes one way of organising our files (music). iPhoto becomes another way of organising it. But the underlying files are all stored the same way. Look at how Spotlight separates our data into "kinds" of information - in a sense, iPhoto is a smart view of my data, restricted to photos only.

At the moment the water is a bit murky - iTunes and iPhoto make copies of your files and setup their own directory structure, and they both allow movies. iMovie and iPhoto both integrate with iDVD where iTunes burns DVDs directly.

At some point "iLife" may need to be renamed "iMedia", and then there's simply different ways at getting to music, photos, and movie clips - organising them on your computer or burning them to free up space on your system (and play them elsewhere).

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post #55 of 125
5/9/05 at 4:44pm
Hopefully Apple have a clear vision of where they heading - the iSync scenario is annoying - unless phones will sync from iTunes as well? I wish you could still sync from the menu bar, grr
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post #56 of 125
5/9/05 at 4:46pm
If someone doesn't have video clips to try out iTunes video stuff, go to
http://www.thirstymerc.com/music_videos.html
"My completeness" is low bandwidth - 10MB.
"Wasting Time" is about 35MB (from memory).

Anyone know some newer h264 encoded music video (standard definition res) that I could try out? I was impressed with the cNBC quality.
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post #57 of 125
5/9/05 at 4:46pm
iPrOn. PrOn to go.
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post #58 of 125
5/9/05 at 4:53pm
Why is this video support necessary when spotlight will find it and when it plays better in QuickTime? Also only mov and mp4 files will play.
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post #59 of 125
5/9/05 at 5:00pm
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
You must have QTPro


No, I don't. I would have known if I did. If you have a Windows PC, try it. But the video must be imported to iTunes first.
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post #60 of 125
5/9/05 at 5:03pm
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
No, I don't. I would have known if I did. If you have a Windows PC, try it. But the video must be imported to iTunes first.

Ok, I'll try tomorrow - it doesn't work on a mac - if the file is imported just for the record!
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post #61 of 125
5/9/05 at 5:05pm
Interesting. It works on my XP-based PC here. Wtf?
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post #62 of 125
5/9/05 at 5:06pm
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
Why is this video support necessary when spotlight will find it and when it plays better in QuickTime? Also only mov and mp4 files will play.

Well it will play full screen, which is good. Unfortunately you can't pause while full screen, but you can put it back as a window, pause/rewind etc, then play and click full screen.

Pity about only mov and mp4. In fact, mine doesn't play mp4.
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post #63 of 125
5/9/05 at 5:08pm
I have not figured out how to get Quicktime into iTunes either. Its supposed to run in Panther but it seems people with Tiger are only able to do it.
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post #64 of 125
5/9/05 at 5:10pm
Does anyone understand this whole full-screen dilemma - they should just make QT7 support full-screen and full integrate it into itunes - which will play and organise both music and films fully. Then you can use QT7 as a player without the organising. SIMPLE

Edit: Has anyone got QT Pro - does the iTunes give you full-screen controls?
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post #65 of 125
5/9/05 at 5:10pm
QuickTime isn't a Player.

It's a set of Multimedia Frameworks that provide interfaces to various codecs for one to develop a complete audio/video solution if one so chooses.

The Player has never meant to be some the swiss army knife of all multimedia needs.

Since we have various target markets to address it is only intelligent to provide applications like iTunes with certain QuickTime capabilities and then other applications like Motion and Final Cut Pro with other QuickTime capabilities.

It's called code-reuse and leveraging your Frameworks. Get used to it.

It's also satisfying your markets.
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post #66 of 125
5/9/05 at 5:12pm
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Originally posted by mdriftmeyer
QuickTime isn't a Player.

It's a set of Multimedia Frameworks that provide interfaces to various codecs for one to develop a complete audio/video solution if one so chooses.

The Player has never meant to be some the swiss army knife of all multimedia needs.

Since we have various target markets to address it is only intelligent to provide applications like iTunes with certain QuickTime capabilities and then other applications like Motion and Final Cut Pro with other QuickTime capabilities.

It's called code-reuse and leveraging your Frameworks. Get used to it.

It's also satisfying your markets.

I think it's both - like WMP on a PC is both. QT is built into the core of ther Mac but is also a stand alone media player. iTunes is becoming a media organiser - I just wish it would play the movies in QT.
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post #67 of 125
5/9/05 at 5:15pm
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
Ok, I'll try tomorrow - it doesn't work on a mac - if the file is imported just for the record!

Actually, you know what, it is The PRO version. I forgot that this is a PC that my work gave me, and they must have licenced the Pro version.

So sorry.
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post #68 of 125
5/9/05 at 5:17pm
While the support of Video in iTunes is crtainly something to speculate over, I really do not foresee this feature as a replacement towards QuickTime as some have suggested. I could realisticly see this more a move for a video capable iPod or even more likely video music relate content within the iTunes Music Store. Why? Well I thnik the fact that all references to "song" within iTunes are still the same and nothing is contextual (that I have found, anyways) in referance to video files once inserted into the iTunes playlist. This just doesn't seem like something Apple would overlook. However, I could see why "song" would remain (by the way, I'm speaking of things like the count at the bottom, and "Show Song File") if the purpose of video support was supposed to be for iTMS/music related video content. Something more akin to a video/movie store? Maybe, but I doubt that assessment, for some reason. Also, a video iPod is possible but I just can't warm up to that idea either. Not until iTunes is better at organizing and using video properly.
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post #69 of 125
5/9/05 at 5:47pm
omg. How on earth did i not know about this. I have 4.7, I am about to uprage it now. But, I just read that 4.7 supported videos. I just drapped iPhoto pics, jpegs, quicktime videos onto the intunes icon in the dock and they all worked perfectly in iTunes. THey have small icones next to them. I had always complained why iTunes con't do this and WMP could. Why isn't it even mentioned on apple.com Apple did better then I expected and I didn't know it
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post #70 of 125
5/9/05 at 5:48pm
I don't have QT PRO and I am able to play videos imported to iTunes 4.8 full screen just fine.

Someone also mentioned earlier that they weren't able to get certain mpg video files to play in iTunes.

Here's a little trick I did that allowed me to play an otherwise unusable mpg file that I downloaded using Firefox.

I ftp'd the video it up to my site using Fetch, then downloaded it back to my mac using Fetch again. I'm not sure if the file was in a weird format that tiger didn't like initially, but ftp-ing it up and downloading it again made it usable in iTunes.

This would be a pain in the neck for large files, but at least it works.

BTW, I am playing both mpg and mp4 files in iTunes using tiger on my 12" albook. (mp4 videos from martatopferova.com and pron mpgs
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post #71 of 125
5/9/05 at 6:03pm
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
I think it's both - like WMP on a PC is both. QT is built into the core of ther Mac but is also a stand alone media player.

No. This might be nitpicking, but all four are totally separate.

Quicktime - framework
Quicktime Player - player app
Windows Media / Windows Media Technologies - framework
Windows Media Player - player program
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post #72 of 125
5/9/05 at 6:12pm
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
No, I don't. I would have known if I did. If you have a Windows PC, try it. But the video must be imported to iTunes first.

You just don't have QuickTime 7 for the PC. It is not available yet.
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post #73 of 125
5/9/05 at 6:55pm
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
Hopefully Apple have a clear vision of where they heading

The smoking gun.

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Posted by esd at the Mac Ach:
I just looked through the strings in the iTunes executable file.

The second is a bit more interesting. After "Purchased Music": "Purchased Videos"!
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post #74 of 125
5/9/05 at 7:37pm
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Originally posted by BuonRotto
The smoking gun.

Bingo.
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post #75 of 125
5/9/05 at 8:10pm
Since this video information is includded in iTunes 4.8, it is highly likely that video content will be available before 4.8.1 or 4.9, whichever comes first. Second, the new iTMS for the other countries have not been released. If I had to guess, the downloading movies option plus the new stores will debut holding hands. A video iPod may accompany. Also, if we see no action in the near future, we have a big @$$ target for WWDC.
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post #76 of 125
5/9/05 at 8:17pm
What if WWDC brings us an iPod SDK to go along with some other new iTunes/iPod kit.
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post #77 of 125
5/9/05 at 8:23pm
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Originally posted by kwsanders
You just don't have QuickTime 7 for the PC. It is not available yet.

I never said I did. I said I have QT Pro, which is not the same as QT Pro 7.

Anyway, now that I have QT Pro, let's get the goodies...
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post #78 of 125
5/9/05 at 8:37pm
um....it's here

iTunes Music Store Selling Videos Now
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5/9/05 at 8:45pm
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post #80 of 125
5/9/05 at 9:06pm
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Originally posted by TenoBell
I have not figured out how to get Quicktime into iTunes either. Its supposed to run in Panther but it seems people with Tiger are only able to do it.

10.3.9 works, just drag it into the library

This is obviously all about song videos not Movies. (maybe in the future)
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