Maya is awesome. It is slow, and I only have a one button mouse which is a real pain in the rear. Other than that, it is simply capable of doing things I never thought I would be able to do. It is extremely complicated (I think, at least, compared to other 3d progs) and therefor takes some serious time committed to it to learn, but it really is fun to learn. I don't know about $7000 fun, but fun nonetheless. Could someone fill me in on what is going to be in Maya unlimited that is going to make it cost another $9000 ($16,000? sh*t, software or new car, software or new car, tough decision) I mean I can already do more in maya 3.5 than i was ever able to do (well) in lightwave, what more can be in unlimited. Rendering takes a long time, but the results are worth it. I mean, even bryce takes time to render, but the results don't even compare.