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The next version of Apple's AirPort Express wireless base station may bundle a wireless remote control, according to hints dropped via an obscure error message in the latest version of the company's iTunes jukebox software.

If a user has configured a firewall, the first time iTunes 4.8 is launched a dialog will read, "Your computer is using a firewall software that prevents you from sharing music or using a remote control for AirTunes," the HypnoticNetwork has discovered.

AirTunes is the name given to Apple's AirPort software that allows AirPort Express owners to wirelessly broadcast iTunes music through their stereo or powered speakers in virtually in any room of their house.

Although several existing third party AirPort remotes exist, the HypnoticNetwork speculates that the warning message may provided the first hints at what's to come in the second generation of Apple's AirPort Express base station.

It was almost a year ago that Apple introduced the AirPort Express at the Wall Street Journal's annual D: All Things Digital conference.

When Apple chief executive Steve Jobs first demonstrated the AirPort Express, the Wall Street Journal's Walt Mossberg told Jobs the biggest problem he saw was that users had to get up and walk to their computers to change play lists and songs

Jobs responded with a joke, saying he thought walking was good. But when pressed further, Jobs just smiled a wry smile. AppleInsider correspondents took this to mean that Apple was developing an AirPort remote, and the Airport Express was just a step along the way.

Meanwhile, a March 2005 AppleInsider article reported that Apple was preparing to unveil new versions of its AirPort wireless base station, with an expected debut in "the coming months."

Next week, the Wall Street Journal will hold the third edition of its D: All Things Digital conference between May 22-24. Interestingly, Apple's current AirPort Express promotion ends May 23rd. Once again, Jobs will present at the conference along with Microsoft's Bill Gates, Intel's Paul Ottelini, and Motorola's Ed Zander.

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post #2 of 64
I would love to have a remote with ipod like display showing my song selection and playlist. That would rock!
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Or the message could be referring to one of the existing 3rd-party remotes, like the Keyspan Express Remote.

Apple added support for this in version 6.1.1 of the firmware.
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Originally posted by bubba451
Or the message could be referring to one of the existing 3rd-party remotes, like the Keyspan Express Remote.

Apple added support for this in version 6.1.1 of the firmware.

Exactly.
post #5 of 64
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Originally posted by aplnub
I would love to have a remote with ipod like display showing my song selection and playlist. That would rock!

Don't count on it. Such a remote would likely at least double the price of an Airport Express.

I think Bubba has it pegged.
post #6 of 64
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Originally posted by aplnub
I would love to have a remote with ipod like display showing my song selection and playlist. That would rock!

Or they could just make a wireless iPod.
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Originally posted by bubba451
Or the message could be referring to one of the existing 3rd-party remotes, like the Keyspan Express Remote.

Apple added support for this in version 6.1.1 of the firmware.

But that was 5 months ago. This error has only started showing up in the last week since people have upgraded to iTunes 4.8. Am I mistaken?

It could be a new tablet device (recently patented) which would also use a new antennae device (also recently patented) to be sort of a thin client or a remote to use in conjunction with an Airport device and even mirror your desktop. Something that will work with, and maybe at times depend on the iPod. This would be their next insanely cool device that would further cement the iPods popularity. Arriving at the perfect time since everyone seems to think the iPod is on its way out.

Mirroring the desktop would not require an unbelievable cpu just a graphics unit. This would be great. A small remote control touch-sensitive computer screen that you take with you anywhere.
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Hey!! I discovered this around 6 months ago - please credit me with this, and not hypnotic network, as this has been around since iTunes 4.7

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=233259
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Originally posted by rongold
But that was 5 months ago. This error has only started showing up in the last week since people have upgraded to iTunes 4.8. Am I mistaken?

No, you aren't mistaken, but this error message isn't the only subtle interface change in iTunes 4.8. Several other messages were changed as well, for example, there were cosmetic and usability-related improvements to dialogs regarding deleting songs, etc.
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wifi tablet as remote (using widgets) could be a piece of a big media store puzzle apple is putting together with airtunes and PSP3.... oh the possibilities...
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Can I reiterate - THIS ERROR MESSAGE HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE iTUNES 4.7
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Originally posted by jocker
Can I reiterate - THIS ERROR MESSAGE HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE iTUNES 4.7

I'm sorry, what is it you are trying to say?
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Originally posted by sandau
wifi tablet as remote (using widgets) could be a piece of a big media store puzzle apple is putting together with airtunes and PSP3.... oh the possibilities...

Well, I was thinking more direct control of music and such but yeah, I guess since it would mirror what is on your desktop, you could also control the iPod with a widget.

It would be cool to then have a widget mirror/emulate the iPod screen interface to control that (whether it be connected to your Mac or your stereo) via USB, Firewire or Bluetooth 2.0 in the future).
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Originally posted by rongold
But that was 5 months ago. This error has only started showing up in the last week since people have upgraded to iTunes 4.8. Am I mistaken?

It could be a new tablet device (recently patented) which would also use a new antennae device (also recently patented) to be sort of a thin client or a remote to use in conjunction with an Airport device and even mirror your desktop. Something that will work with, and maybe at times depend on the iPod. This would be their next insanely cool device that would further cement the iPods popularity. Arriving at the perfect time since everyone seems to think the iPod is on its way out.

Mirroring the desktop would not require an unbelievable cpu just a graphics unit. This would be great. A small remote control touch-sensitive computer screen that you take with you anywhere.

HomeSync has debuted with Tiger (in the server version) maybe the tablet could be to do with that. I reckon if it's just a remote it will need some sort of screen but knowing Apple it'll probably just be buttons.
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Some evidence is that Insider said that new models were coming out in the "next several months". What kind of evidence is that? Of course new models will be coming out after a year or so. That doesn't mean that it's evidence for a major shift. That's hardly a prediction.

Neither is an error code like that.

If it said that' After reconfigering your firewall, you must set up your remote control" I would be more suitably impressed.

This means nothing.

It also doesn't mean that Apple is not readying new software and new hardware to do this.

But nothing presented here shows that.

As for the tablet, there was a song called "Wishing and Hoping".
post #16 of 64
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Originally posted by melgross
As for the tablet, there was a song called "Wishing and Hoping".

And it was awful! I think it is likely there will be something new in this AirPort express. There isn't likely to be a new wireless standard - there have been rumours the bigger model will get AirPort support so the only new feature that seems likely is a remote.
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how about video support for new AirPort Express?
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Originally posted by solafek13
how about video support for G2 AirPort Express?

54mbps might be fast enough but.. maybe, I don't see it happening for full quality DVDs yet - although a Mac mini would become more attractive with video streaming.
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1. The Airport Express is an awesome product (I love mine,) but best for households with laptops, for the reasons mentioned. Putting one in your living room with a cheap USB printer, stereo, and your TiVo hooked up to the ports gives you entire control of your living room from your laptop. (Ironically, even more so if your laptop is Windows.)

2. Rumors of iPods with 802.11b abound.

3. 54Mb is PLENTY of bandwidth for DVD video. DVDs are limited by their spec to a little over 10Mb. HD-DVDs are talking about doubling that and using better compression to get HD. You'd still have half the pipe left over under optimal conditions, and enough to keep a full screen HD broadcast going with only half the bandwidth.

4. TiVo can now play Java applets off a host machine. There are so many opportunities wasted here wrt to the Express.
post #21 of 64
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Originally posted by Booga
1. The Airport Express is an awesome product (I love mine,) but best for households with laptops, for the reasons mentioned. Putting one in your living room with a cheap USB printer, stereo, and your TiVo hooked up to the ports gives you entire control of your living room from your laptop. (Ironically, even more so if your laptop is Windows.)

2. Rumors of iPods with 802.11b abound.

3. 54Mb is PLENTY of bandwidth for DVD video. DVDs are limited by their spec to a little over 10Mb. HD-DVDs are talking about doubling that and using better compression to get HD. You'd still have half the pipe left over under optimal conditions, and enough to keep a full screen HD broadcast going with only half the bandwidth.

4. TiVo can now play Java applets off a host machine. There are so many opportunities wasted here wrt to the Express.

But if you're running a network from it as well other users will notice a deteriorated performance when video is being watched. Although it would make sense with the recent iTunes movement into video. A digital hub solution would be needed. A tablet would be the perfect solution as then you don't need a keyboard and mouse.

A tablet with a TV and computer would be a brilliant solution.
post #22 of 64
people seem to be forgetting a key little bit: apple asked griffin to stop making an adapter for the ipod that would turn it into a universal remote control. remember? wasn't it called powerpod or something? heck, macaddict even printed photos of their protoype from a macworld. griffin still made it, but for the pocketpc, i believe (though someone retrofitted it to work with ipods).

so look for bluetooth in the next ipods, to be used as a universal remote for everything.
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post #23 of 64
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Originally posted by rok
people seem to be forgetting a key little bit: apple asked griffin to stop making an adapter for the ipod that would turn it into a universal remote control. remember? wasn't it called powerpod or something? heck, macaddict even printed photos of their protoype from a macworld. griffin still made it, but for the pocketpc, i believe (though someone retrofitted it to work with ipods).

so look for bluetooth in the next ipods, to be used as a universal remote for everything.

BUT the iPod hasn't got input - in a digital hub you'd want to have the ability to change things etc. I mean you might be in your living room - receive a call and want to write down an appointment - if it's an iPod you can't add an item to iCal - if it's a tablet you can. But then tablets are quite fragile to be used as remotes. It would need to be durable, small and inexpensive - not exactly an iPod.

Bose have a good system for controlling remotely audio and TV - it uses a touch sensitive LCD screen and is oval shaped - this kind of thing would be perfect.
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
BUT the iPod hasn't got input - in a digital hub you'd want to have the ability to change things etc. I mean you might be in your living room - receive a call and want to write down an appointment - if it's an iPod you can't add an item to iCal - if it's a tablet you can. But then tablets are quite fragile to be used as remotes. It would need to be durable, small and inexpensive - not exactly an iPod.

Bose have a good system for controlling remotely audio and TV - it uses a touch sensitive LCD screen and is oval shaped - this kind of thing would be perfect.

well, yeah, but the ipod-as-remote would be a "nice to have" not a "need to have" and that's what a lot of the apple business model revolves around. they've got everything ready for you out of the box on the need to have scale, then they sell you on the stuff that would be nice to have as extra. so you could still get up and manage your itunes lists etc. on your mac, but wouldn't it be so much better if you bought an ipod, and not only could you manage your playlists with it, and create playlists on the go from your couch, but also have a copy of your library synced on your ipod ready to go with you when you walked out the door?

plus, recall that apple is trying the "made for iPod" licensing, not only to keep standards for peripherals high, but i bet you it's also to keep peripheral makers from creating any direct competitors to anything they plan on releasing.
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
54mbps might be fast enough but.. maybe, I don't see it happening for full quality DVDs yet - although a Mac mini would become more attractive with video streaming.

Hm, funny. I seem to recall Apple releasing some new video technology:
H-Two-Sixty-Something?

And I also recall seeing decoder chips being relatively cheap.

Hm.
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Hm, funny. I seem to recall Apple releasing some new video technology:
H-Two-Sixty-Something?

And I also recall seeing decoder chips being relatively cheap.

Hm.

H.264 is CPU intensive which is why high specs are needed to view HD.
post #27 of 64
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
H.264 is CPU intensive which is why high specs are needed to view HD.

Yes, not many systems can play HD, but it's very scaleable and will be played on cell phones, etc.
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Originally posted by MacCrazy

I don't have the unit, so is that real, or did you modify it for my amusement?
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Originally posted by melgross
I don't have the unit, so is that real, or did you modify it for my amusement?

This is an exact screen-shot of what appears after turning on the firewall for iTunes 4.8 under Tiger. I don't know which unit you're referring to - I have neither Airport nor Airport Express.
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
HomeSync has debuted with Tiger (in the server version) maybe the tablet could be to do with that. I reckon if it's just a remote it will need some sort of screen but knowing Apple it'll probably just be buttons.

No, it will be more than just buttons. If Apple is going to make a remote, it will be the mother of all remotes. A remote that can control the iPod, a remote to control the tv... remote to control your computer. THAT is the Apple way.

Besides, what better way to make the mother of all remotes than by simultaneously building one that solves the "mother of all thermal challenges". Just keep that G5 on the desktop and connect to it all "Apple Remote Desktop" like. Not much processing power needed that way; well what power is needed is provided by the desktop as that is where the work would physically be done at.
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Originally posted by rongold
No, it will be more than just buttons. If Apple is going to make a remote, it will be the mother of all remotes. A remote that can control the iPod, a remote to control the tv... remote to control your computer. THAT is the Apple way.

Uh, no, that's not the Apple way at all.
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Originally posted by rongold
Besides, what better way to make the mother of all remotes than by simultaneously building one that solves the "mother of all thermal challenges". Just keep that G5 on the desktop and connect to it all "Apple Remote Desktop" like. Not much processing power needed that way; well what power is needed is provided by the desktop as that is where the work would physically be done at.

If Apple are heading for a digital hub then you have the content on your computer and you control it from a remote - it's a neat idea but why not just wait till HD TVs come out and then you can hook up a Mac mini to a TV - with a HD resolution screen. Although some sort of remote is needed.

I quite often wish I could send something to the TV downstairs - even though have a laptop it would be great to have an integrated system - hat doesn't require expensive set-ups.
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
This is an exact screen-shot of what appears after turning on the firewall for iTunes 4.8 under Tiger. I don't know which unit you're referring to - I have neither Airport nor Airport Express.

I'l have to look on the machine I installed 10.4 on. I thought it needed Airport or express for that to come up.

Thanks.
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Originally posted by melgross
I'l have to look on the machine I installed 10.4 on. I thought it needed Airport or express for that to come up.

Thanks.

No, you just go into system preferences into the sharing pane and turn off iTunes in the FireWall - you need to have a FireWall On to do this - it isn't by default!
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3. 54Mb is PLENTY of bandwidth for DVD video. DVDs are limited by their spec to a little over 10Mb. HD-DVDs are talking about doubling that and using better compression to get HD. You'd still have half the pipe left over under optimal conditions, and enough to keep a full screen HD broadcast going with only half the bandwidth.


Hmmmm... Streaming video on 54Mbs wireless?? I don't think so. Have you ever tried it?

I had grand visions of using my modded XBOX & Xbox Media Centre to connect wirelessly to my PC/Mac servers to stream DivX/etc... no go.. it's just too slow.. dropped frames/pauses/etc..etc.. Had to resort to hard wiring 100mbit.

I had the same problem trying to play DivX/etc. from my servers wirelessly on my wifes new PowerBook 15"...

And if you have 128bit encryption enabled on your wireless LAN then you can completely forget it - using WPA on 54G slows your connection dramatically.. do a search..

Until we get faster, more robust & secure wireless technology I don't think you are gonna see streaming video wirelessly around the home... maybe things will improve with the H.264 codec.. but I have yet to test this..

streaming mp3 & aac is easy as the bandwidth requirements are ridiculously low... not so with most video codecs..
post #36 of 64
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
If Apple are heading for a digital hub then you have the content on your computer and you control it from a remote - it's a neat idea but why not just wait till HD TVs come out and then you can hook up a Mac mini to a TV - with a HD resolution screen. Although some sort of remote is needed.

This approach you mention doesn't seem right... to me. By doing this you then have 2 hubs (one for watching videos and one for all sorts of other entertainment and desktop type work), thereby doing away with the definition of a hub (not to say there is anything wrong with this, especially with the introduction of XGrid). But it goes against everything Apple has been working towards and takes away the flexibility and integration.

Besides, you can't get a video card to drive big HD screens like that into the Mac mini. BUT, the PowerMacs can drive Apple's big 30" Cinema Screen. And if you had a small 5X7 device that would wirelessly mirror the desktop machine, that would be incredible. THAT would bring true meaning to the "hub" concept. You could take your screen/remote with you anywhere and still be connected to that hub.

I mention a 5X7 size here specifically, only because it seems like a perfect size to take around and hold in your hand. Much like you do with an envelope of photos that you flip through while sitting next to your relatives on the couch. It is something that is easy for us to relate to and easy to manage in the palm of your hand.
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Originally posted by rongold
Besides, you can't get a video card to drive big HD screens like that into the Mac mini.

I'm not entirely sure.

The Mac mini can easily drive a 50 inch plasma display. What it can't do is provide the full resolution of the 30 inch Apple display, 2560x1600. However, according to Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVI ), the Mac mini's single link connector *is* enough for full HD (1920x1080). The 32 MB graphics card should be enough as well.
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Originally posted by Chucker
I'm not entirely sure.

The Mac mini can easily drive a 50 inch plasma display. What it can't do is provide the full resolution of the 30 inch Apple display, 2560x1600. However, according to Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVI ), the Mac mini's single link connector *is* enough for full HD (1920x1080). The 32 MB graphics card should be enough as well.

I did not know that.
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Originally posted by Chucker
I'm not entirely sure.

The Mac mini can easily drive a 50 inch plasma display. What it can't do is provide the full resolution of the 30 inch Apple display, 2560x1600. However, according to Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVI ), the Mac mini's single link connector *is* enough for full HD (1920x1080). The 32 MB graphics card should be enough as well.

The Mini can't do HD in either 1080i or 1080p, and may not provide a good experiance with 720p either, when .264 is being used.

The cpu is too slow for that. It will render a widescreen standard def DVD to 1080p however.
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Originally posted by melgross
The Mini can't do HD in either 1080i or 1080p, and may not provide a good experiance with 720p either, when .264 is being used.

The cpu is too slow for that. It will render a widescreen standard def DVD to 1080p however.

rongold wasn't talking about H.264.
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