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Think Rob1 (new powerbook is going to be using similar materials in its new case).

no idea on specs sorry.


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PB G5 -- coming within next 14 months

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Originally posted by microdisiac
Think Rob1 (new powerbook is going to be using similar materials in its new case).

no idea on specs sorry.


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"Think Rob1"? Like the guy on macbidouille forums?
Gimme a little more to go on here...please.
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post #4 of 220
UhmmMm... Yeah... Would clash with WWDC which is a very good thing.

But... PBG5? Not yet.. Unfortunately.. :/
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Rob1 as in the bluetooth-controlled Sony Ericsson rolling camera thingy?

http://www.sonyericsson.com/rob1/main.asp?LangID=1

Are you saying the pbg5 will be aluminum with a black strip around the middle, or that it'll be spherical and follow you around and take pictures from floor level of cute girls?

'Cause, you know, either way...

(ps - it's not the Rob1 on macbidouille - he mostly talks about playing Doom 3 on his current PB... yes, I went and read it, in French, yes that means I'm unhealthily obsessed...)
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Originally posted by microdisiac
Think Rob1 (new powerbook is going to be using similar materials in its new case).

no idea on specs sorry.


genuine sources on manufacturing side.

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So it's just a few days later than the dual-core 3.2 GHz PowerMac with 4 cores ...

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I wouldn't hold your breath.
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This is BS. Apple just updated the PowerBooks. We won't see a G5 PowerBook until 2006.
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Originally posted by clonenode
This is BS. Apple just updated the PowerBooks. We won't see a G5 PowerBook until 2006.

Sorry, completely disagree. The latest Powerbook update was minor.

The fact we have not heard any hints from Apple recently and that they always say it's too hard to bring a G5 into Powerbook makes me think the announcement is imminent. They need to get rid of all the Powerbooks g4 they can.
It's been almost 2 years since the introduction of G5. So the timing is perfect for such announcement.
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post #10 of 220
also, the ibooks are overdue an update..but such an update would bring them almost on par with the powerbooks, negating the reason for them being powerbooks...so I think at least another bump if not something special (g5 ) is in order...i hope
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If they around the corner how "crippled" are the processors going to be to deal with the heat..... They sure has hell cant make the thing any thicker than 1.5 inches or it won't be a powerbook anymore....

The thinness is the selling point of the range... and the fact they are sex on legs.

P.S. Im not much of a processor geek so please don't flame me if you guys have some wicked force power of knowing things us mere morals dont and that heat is no longer a problem....
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post #12 of 220
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Originally posted by gugy

It's been almost 2 years since the introduction of G5. So the timing is perfect for such announcement.

The timing perhaps, but not the technology.

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P.S. Im not much of a processor geek so please don't flame me if you guys have some wicked force power of knowing things us mere morals dont and that heat is no longer a problem....

There is nothing in the IBM CPU front indicating that heat is not a problem, as far as the G5 processors are concerned. Unless Apple chooses to use some PPE-type processor for the Powerbook, which I doubt.
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This is bollocks.
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I could be wrong - as a matter of fact probably are - but I thought the Dual core processors used less power than the P4 3.0ghz? Less power means less heat.

Anyways, yes the timeing is perfect, and I would love to see a Powerbook G5, and Apples mobile line is busting for a major update, in form factor if nothing else. Graphics cards need to go to at least a 9600 to run T, I, double g, ERRRR. Tiger.

This means that Apple has to update notebooks soon if only in the graphics card department.
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post #15 of 220
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This is bollocks.

Utter and complete.
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Utter and complete.

totally rediculous
post #17 of 220
yes it is, BUT i want one
so please i am waiting ....
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post #18 of 220
My 12" PowerBook arrives tomorrow so it wouldn't surprise me if it was true.

Anyway I'd rather have a 4th generation Apple laptop rather than a 1st generation - honest!
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Hypothetical scariness: No PB G5. Instead, PB P4 or
PB AMD64 running Mac OS X.

Then again why can't Apple deal with 3 or 4 different chip makers for different lines as opposed to 2 now?
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post #20 of 220
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Originally posted by LiquidR
Hypothetical scariness: No PB G5. Instead, PB P4 or
PB AMD64 running Mac OS X.

Then again why can't Apple deal with 3 or 4 different chip makers for different lines as opposed to 2 now?

You're joking right? Why? Well, Freescale and IBM produce PowerPC chips and all code is compiled for that line. In order to have both PowerPC and x86 chip lines in their products, they would have to maintain two completely different code bases and their 3rd party software vendors would have to do the same. Why in the hell would anyone spend the money on that??!?!!

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post #21 of 220
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Originally posted by PB
The timing perhaps, but not the technology.


There is nothing in the IBM CPU front indicating that heat is not a problem, as far as the G5 processors are concerned. Unless Apple chooses to use some PPE-type processor for the Powerbook, which I doubt.

How do you know that?
Do you work at Apple? or are you just reading the reports and rumors?
The fact is, there is (or was) a problem with heat regarding the chips but IMHO Apple is using this problem as marketing recently (last 6 months) to sell as many Powerbook G4 out there.
I think many of this issues are being resolved if not fully resolved, It's been 2 years! so my opinion they are ready to launch it at WWDC.

Am I speculating? Sure, I am not an insider. But common sense and time suggests the above.
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Originally posted by gugy
How do you know that?
Do you work at Apple? or are you just reading the reports and rumors?
The fact is, there is (or was) a problem with heat regarding the chips but IMHO Apple is using this problem as marketing recently (last 6 months) to sell as many Powerbook G4 out there.
I think many of this issues are being resolved if not fully resolved, It's been 2 years! so my opinion they are ready to launch it at WWDC.

Am I speculating? Sure, I am not an insider. But common sense and time suggests the above.

How do you know that?

Seriously, the only thing we do know is that Apple has stated that getting a G5 into a PowerBook is a tremendous feat and something along the lines of 'don't expect a PowerBook G5 in the near future'. Joswiak stated that last November or December, if memory serves. So no one really knows but Apple employees working on the project. And IBM of course.
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post #23 of 220
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Originally posted by Rhumgod
You're joking right? Why? Well, Freescale and IBM produce PowerPC chips and all code is compiled for that line. In order to have both PowerPC and x86 chip lines in their products, they would have to maintain two completely different code bases and their 3rd party software vendors would have to do the same. Why in the hell would anyone spend the money on that??!?!!


I am joking. That's why I prefaced with Hypothetical.
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post #24 of 220
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Originally posted by LiquidR
I am joking. That's why I prefaced with Hypothetical.

Sorry, read the last question differently than the previous.

Anyway, they could get away with an emulated (read: virtual) OS as they did with classic, but I really don't see it happening. Just way too expensive for all the worth. Besides, Intel is at a virtual standstill right now as well. AMD seems to be doing better, but what good would it do Apple?
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Sorry, read the last question differently than the previous.

Anyway, they could get away with an emulated (read: virtual) OS as they did with classic, but I really don't see it happening. Just way too expensive for all the worth. Besides, Intel is at a virtual standstill right now as well. AMD seems to be doing better, but what good would it do Apple?

I was just playing off of the top story on the front page of AI about WSJ's announcement of Apple considering Intel.

Just a joshing really.
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post #26 of 220
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Originally posted by Rhumgod
How do you know that?

Seriously, the only thing we do know is that Apple has stated that getting a G5 into a PowerBook is a tremendous feat and something along the lines of 'don't expect a PowerBook G5 in the near future'. Joswiak stated that last November or December, if memory serves. So no one really knows but Apple employees working on the project. And IBM of course.

Yes, I read what Apple has said, but just think. If they slightly said anything positive about it, it would halt the PB G4 sales. Specially the latest upgrade that was so minor. That's why every time I hear an Apple executive saying how difficult and how challenging makes me think otherwise. Two years ago I agree, I was not hopeful, but now after 2 years and the recent silence from Apple may suggest something good finally is coming our way.
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This is BS. Apple just updated the PowerBooks. We won't see a G5 PowerBook until 2006.

I disagree also... in 14 days the powerbooks will have been out for 6 months. Powerbooks used to be updated every 6-8 months. If they weren't updated till 2006 that would be a full year cycle off of a minor update. Powerbook sales are hurting enough as it is because the iBook is so close to comparision. Not updating the Powerbook would hurt both lines. Apple needs to update both of these laptops... within the next few months

 

 

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post #28 of 220
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Originally posted by Rhumgod
Joswiak stated that last November or December, if memory serves. So no one really knows but Apple employees working on the project. And IBM of course.

He also said - don't expect a mini Mac any time soon - mmmmmm! And Jobs said that they weren't going to make a flash or video iPod.

But I agree a G5 PowerBook isn't close
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He also said - don't expect a mini Mac any time soon - mmmmmm! And Jobs said that they weren't going to make a flash or video iPod.

But I agree a G5 PowerBook isn't close

I never read that quote - do you have a link?

As far as the video iPod, Jobs stated yesterday,

On a video iPod, Jobs said, "Headphones are a miraculous thing." But, he added, "there's no such thing as headphones for video." Portable video won't be successful, he explained, until you can carry around a 50-inch video screen in your pocket. He went on to praise the PSP as a great game player, but "not great for music [because] it doesn't fit in your pocket."
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I don't - sorry.
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I never read that quote - do you have a link?

As far as the video iPod, Jobs stated yesterday,

On a video iPod, Jobs said, "Headphones are a miraculous thing." But, he added, "there's no such thing as headphones for video." Portable video won't be successful, he explained, until you can carry around a 50-inch video screen in your pocket. He went on to praise the PSP as a great game player, but "not great for music [because] it doesn't fit in your pocket."

My feeling is that we won't see the video ipod for long time. Steve doesn't seem to like the idea. maybe we could see and ipod that plays video on a external monitor, almost like a portable video player.
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post #32 of 220
I can't imagine that Apple won't have a new PB within a month given the modesty of the last update and the narrow performance over the ibook. Clearly, it would be insane from a financial standpoint to update the ibook alone even though even this line is in dire need of improvement. It seems they would have to update both lines simultaneously or the PB first with ibook after.

Why wouldn't it make sense for Apple to at least go with a Dual G4 PB? Would that create too much heat? Does anyone know?

I still use an ibook from 01/2000, so any thing new would be an improvement for me, but I'm not going to purchase a current apple laptop to have it drop in value in two weeks.

Like some others, I suspect that the silence is a good thing.
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Originally posted by Rhumgod

[quoting Steve Jobs at D]:

Portable video won't be successful, he explained, until you can carry around a 50-inch video screen in your pocket. He went on to praise the PSP as a great game player, but "not great for music [because] it doesn't fit in your pocket."[/i]

How could you carry a 50" video screen in your pocket?

Well, if it was a projector... It would be more like a P.A. system than headphones (breaking the analogy drawn in the full quote in Rhumgod's post), but it occurred to me as a bit of lateral thinking. After all, there really can't be an equivalent to headphones. You can navigate with music in your ears much more easily than with video in your eyes.

As for the PowerBook, it is true that the PBs are due for a refresh, going by the timeline, and by the fact that the last update was minor. It would not surprise me at all to see an updated PowerBook announced at or before WWDC—which is, after all, awash in PowerBooks. If they actually ship with G5s, then it's either a different "G5" than the one we're thinking of, or someone at IBM pulled a rabbit out of a hat about 8-12 months ago.
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Why are you folks talking about the PB being due for an update? The current model started shipping in early February (announced Jan. 31 to start shipping in a week).

That's 3 1/2 months ago. When WWDC rolls around that will have been 4 months. According to the MacRumors Buyer's Guide, the average update time is 6 months. But even that includes adding models, rather than just updating existing models. It's more like 8 months - the last update took 9 months. It simply doesn't make economic sense to replace a computer after only 4 months or so.
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How could you carry a 50" video screen in your pocket?

Special eyeglasses with headphones? Perhaps no, just too much futuristic. And dangerous. When you are at it in a train, say, they can steal not only your wallet, but yourself too.

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If they actually ship with G5s, then it's either a different "G5" than the one we're thinking of, or someone at IBM pulled a rabbit out of a hat about 8-12 months ago.

And passed completely unnoticed? Hard to believe.
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Special eyeglasses with headphones? Perhaps no, just too much futuristic. And dangerous. When you are at it in a train, say, they can steal not only your wallet, but yourself too.

That's why I ruled out that option in my post. A projector would make more sense if you assume that video requires the full attention of the viewer, and if you further assume that the player has to fit in a pocket. The only way goggles make sense is if they're fully immersive, and that technology is a good long way from commercialization. Also, if you have goggles, you can't show the video to other people. With a projector, you can.

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And passed completely unnoticed? Hard to believe.

Indeed.

But then, what are the other options? A 200MHz MaxBus would stretch the available G4 clock Hz up into the 1.6GHz-2.0GHz range, which would mark another incremental boost to the line. Beyond that, the pickings are slim indeed for a significant update in the next two weeks, based on publicly known timelines for announced CPUs.

Given that, I will confidently announce that we can expect a PB G5 -- coming within next 14 eons.
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A 200MHz MaxBus would stretch the available G4 clock Hz up into the 1.6GHz-2.0GHz range, which would mark another incremental boost to the line.

That is the sad truth with the G4. But then, what are the options for Apple, in order to clearly distinguish the iBook from the Powerbook? The iBook needs more an update than the Powerbook, but if it takes that update in the coming weeks, the distance between the two will reach a probably absolute minimum. On the other hand, a 200 MHz bus plus 1 MB L2 plus higher clock speeds can provide enough differentiation at least until the beginning of next year.

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Given that, I will confidently announce that we can expect a PB G5 -- coming within next 14 eons.

Hehe, do you know greek by the way? Your nickname suggest that too. Anyway, I think that the Mac community has had too much high expectations for the Powerbook after the release of the G5. This is fueled of course by Apple's secrecy, although I must recognize that S. Jobs himself and other Apple executives tried to control people's expectations with hints in certain occasions. Of course there is no way to see a usual G5 in a Powerbook. IBM has other 64-bit CPUs that can be used in situations where low power is a requirement. Only time will tell if these technologies will play some role in the evolution of the Powerbook line.
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That is the sad truth with the G4. But then, what are the options for Apple, in order to clearly distinguish the iBook from the Powerbook? The iBook needs more an update than the Powerbook, but if it takes that update in the coming weeks, the distance between the two will reach a probably absolute minimum. On the other hand, a 200 MHz bus plus 1 MB L2 plus higher clock speeds can provide enough differentiation at least until the beginning of next year.

Plus, the PowerBook comes in sexy aluminum, while the iBook only comes in glossy white plastic!

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Hehe, do you know greek by the way? Your nickname suggest that too.

It would be a stretch to say that I know Greek, but some dribbles of the ancient Greek that I learned in college (15 years ago!) have stuck around. I'm much better at recognizing Greek cognates in English words than I am at reading Greek—which is not saying much.

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Anyway, I think that the Mac community has had too much high expectations for the Powerbook after the release of the G5. This is fueled of course by Apple's secrecy, although I must recognize that S. Jobs himself and other Apple executives tried to control people's expectations with hints in certain occasions.

Actually, I shoulder the blame for that on IBM. Their early literature on the 970 made a lot of claims about embedded and notebook use based on remarkably low-voltage designs (0.8v, as I recall)—which didn't survive the debacle that was the transition to 90nm. To my lasting surprise, IBM made exactly the same mistake with the 970 that Motorola made with the 7400: Trying to fab a new design on a new process. The fact that the process they used proved to be exceptionally difficult just made matters worse. (Since both of these chips featured Apple as a prominent customer, I suppose you could blame Jobs for persuading both companies to shoot the moon.)

That's pretty much the rabbit that IBM would have pulled out of their hat: If Fishkill's engineers have succeeded in producing 0.8v 970[fx] CPUs in quantity—nearly two years behind schedule—Apple may have what they need to made a G5 PowerBook.

One advantage of the original poster's prediction is that we don't have long to wait in order to falsify this hypothesis...
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POWERBOOK G5 -- PHOTO!!!

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One advantage of the original poster's prediction is that we don't have long to wait in order to falsify this hypothesis...

Now there's looking on the bright side.
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