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post #121 of 130
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Originally posted by Vox Barbara
If apple and intel have their casual
talks it creates a great deal of
BUZZ and what not. But take it as it is
Buzz.

Nothing will change the beloved platform.
Anyone?

voxy you on Tiger yet? a few kinks, but time to fall in love all over again
post #122 of 130
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Originally posted by sunilraman
... "now kids, pointless long flash intros with no skip button is bad... mmmmkay?...."

Man, THAT'S something I wish was more widespread knowledge! Make sure they hear you!
post #123 of 130
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Originally posted by sunilraman
(i loathe to use this example but kinda like Cell to the G5 what the MMX was to the Pentium2)

MMX to the Pentium II is what Altivec is to G4's/G5's, albeit much less functional.
post #124 of 130
i haven't seen anyone mention the macrumors story on IBM's 45nm fab plans:

macrumors: IBM plans for 45nm

IBM's certainly had trouble with 90nm, but Toppan may bring tech to the table that helps them move forward.

45nm production not scheduled til mid-2007 (read as 2008+), but seems likely that work towards 45nm will lead to higher yields at 90nm?
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post #125 of 130
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Originally posted by imiloa
45nm production not scheduled til mid-2007 (read as 2008+), but seems likely that work towards 45nm will lead to higher yields at 90nm?

OR if you look at the glass half full, 45nm would have twice the issues that IBM had with 90nm

Now, I'm an optimist but maybe IBM is thinking of scrapping 90nm all together and going to the next step down, 65nm, for the end of the year with a slow migration to 45nm in 2007-08.
post #126 of 130
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Originally posted by Outsider
maybe IBM is thinking of scrapping 90nm all together and going to the next step down, 65nm, for the end of the year with a slow migration to 45nm in 2007-08.

re: twice the issues at 45nm, no doubt it will be a bigger challenge than 90nm was. but hopefully their decision to partner with toppan indicates toppan has some insight/tricks that will smooth the evolution.

re: scrapping 90nm, i hope not. 65nm will no doubt be another nightmare of delays. apple needs faster chips this year, not in 2007. from the rumors, it sounds like the 970mp/gx are nearing production. i would hope they'd at least stabilize these chips at 90nm before forging onward. ie: so apple can breath some fresh life into the mac product line.
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post #127 of 130
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Originally posted by imiloa
re: twice the issues at 45nm, no doubt it will be a bigger challenge than 90nm was. but hopefully their decision to partner with toppan indicates toppan has some insight/tricks that will smooth the evolution.

re: scrapping 90nm, i hope not. 65nm will no doubt be another nightmare of delays. apple needs faster chips this year, not in 2007. from the rumors, it sounds like the 970mp/gx are nearing production. i would hope they'd at least stabilize these chips at 90nm before forging onward. ie: so apple can breath some fresh life into the mac product line.

I agree about the not waiting part.

Here's hoping for the 980cx (yes c=cell) on 45nm in 2007.
post #128 of 130
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Originally posted by imiloa
re: twice the issues at 45nm, no doubt it will be a bigger challenge than 90nm was. but hopefully their decision to partner with toppan indicates toppan has some insight/tricks that will smooth the evolution.

re: scrapping 90nm, i hope not. 65nm will no doubt be another nightmare of delays. apple needs faster chips this year, not in 2007. from the rumors, it sounds like the 970mp/gx are nearing production. i would hope they'd at least stabilize these chips at 90nm before forging onward. ie: so apple can breath some fresh life into the mac product line.

They can't skip 65. Right now there are questions about how feasible 45 is as this point. If they haven't made much progress with 90, and that seems probable. Then even going to 65 will be a nightmare. If the problem isn't solved, 65 could have almost three times as much heat to dissipate than 90 does.

They (the industry, that is) are talking about micro channels built into the chip itself to enable a gas coolant to flow through the substrate layers where the heat is being generated. This is instead of trying to cool off the junctions from the hellish distance of the outer case (the way it's always been done.)

If solutions like this, and others that are being developed, can't be done in a year or two, we may even be stuck with 90 through 2006.
post #129 of 130
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Originally posted by cubist
Man, THAT'S something I wish was more widespread knowledge! Make sure they hear you!

i plan to crush their optimistic, young spirits in a gradual force-death-grip like way...

bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha
post #130 of 130
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Originally posted by sunilraman
voxy you on Tiger yet? a few kinks, but time to fall in love all over again

Not yet, - i am on something different - remain patient.
this fancy slice of cheesecake doesn't make sense
on the keyboard anyway. Tough.
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