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6/5/05 at 10:46pm
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6/5/05 at 11:47pm
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So what are your thoughts on AAPL?

I've checked in with a number of others (both short and long) and the consensus seems to be that panic is the best hope for tomorrow (as opposed to total chaos). The shorts think it'll open 5-10 point higher, the longs seem to think 5-10 points lower. Unfortunately, all this lunacy will have 3 hours to do all the harm that the market can do before Steve gets up and turns the whole damn thing on it's head, and then the pattern will probably reverse.

A day trader with balls of titanium should be able to make a fortune tomorrow.

But, personally, the more I think the more at ease I am with it, knowing that Steve will soften the blow considerably, and the more inclined I am to ride it out, even with my considerable position in Jan 06 options.

The stock will drop a good percentage tomorrow morning as a result of worried investors selling off certain amounts of their stock. If Steve Jobs announces that apple has partnered with intel to make PPC chips I imagine the stock will go back up and above what it is currently at over the course of a few weeks. If Steve Jobs announces that apple is switching to x86 I would imagine that the stock will stay low until investor's fears are extinguished.

I'd have a stop order in if it drops to low so you don't lose too much. If later the stock starts to rise again you can buy it probably cheaper than you sold it at, if you are paying attention, or you could set a limit order to buy X shares at Y price.

I'm not a broker though and cannot give legal stock advice. The above are just my opinions.
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6/6/05 at 12:07am
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For once this weekend, an analysis that adds something to this whole discussion:

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For those who don't want to surf, here's the short answer: laptop PPC with WiMax for Mac Mini Mark II and/or PB/iBook design from Intel.

USB Redux?

Maybe it'll work the same way. Apple was able to adopt USB and spurred the industry to go that way. It'd fit with Universities and Large School Systems (Unwire the Campus). But, they've changed flavors of Ethernet and added/updated Airport without changing CPUs, why do the need a processor change to do this? Maybe it'll make it quicker/easier to deploy, but I wouldn't think it would be a prerequisite. I think if there is a processor change and WiMax is involved it's an extra perk not the central motive for either company. Apple can survive without WiMax and Intel could wave some money at Dull or HP to add it to their laptops.
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6/6/05 at 12:14am
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I'm not a broker though and cannot give legal stock advice. The above are just my opinions.

FWIW, the brokers are lost right now on this as well.

Just curious what the reaction of others is. I disagree with you, but just barely.

Good luck tomorrow.
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6/6/05 at 12:18am
Pavel Machek, a Linux kernel hacker, claims to have been offered a job by Apple to work on 'ACPI & BIOS' stuff. That stuff is kinda sorta specific to x86.

His journal entry is here
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6/6/05 at 12:34am
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FWIW, the brokers are lost right now on this as well.

Just curious what the reaction of others is. I disagree with you, but just barely.

Good luck tomorrow.

What is your advice for tomorrow. I have a lot of shares in AAPL.
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6/6/05 at 12:45am
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This pretty much puts everything into proper perspective
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6/6/05 at 12:46am
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Originally posted by Algol
What is your advice for tomorrow. I have a lot of shares in AAPL.

I'm sitting tight. I have a lot of shares as well - but far more options.

I'm not worried about the shares - been sitting on those for a long time now and whatever happens tomorrow will be part of a larger plan, so they'll come back.

The options are Jan 06, so there's not much time to recover, but the more I read this, the more I learn about it, the better I feel. I think we'll open up, jump all over the damn place, but we won't close significantly down. I think that in spite of the uncertainty of short-term sales, the certainty of Intel as a chip supplier over IBM/Freescale will bring the longs in. I think the street will like this, if I'm reading it right. Wish I was holding Jan 07s, though.

I think there's a surprise in this that we haven't seen - some *other* reason to partner with Intel. Steve has a history of doing that - of seeing 3 plays where you'd only expect 1 and walking away with a deal that seems imbalanced in his favor. I think we'll see a new product segment that will offset any potential loss of hardware sales due to the transition.

AAPL has been good to me. I've read the leaves right many, many times, and I think I have this one wired as well, but I've never been so anxious going into keynote.
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6/6/05 at 12:50am
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What is your advice for tomorrow. I have a lot of shares in AAPL.

I'm not a broker and cannot give legal stock advice. The below are just my opinions.

Hedge. If I had a long position on APPL then I would lock it in by buying call options. And then I'd sell all my AAPL stock and go long on GOOG

In practice there are more strategies one can take - a broker can be of assitance.
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6/6/05 at 1:03am
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I'm sitting tight. I have a lot of shares as well - but far more options.

I'm not worried about the shares - been sitting on those for a long time now and whatever happens tomorrow will be part of a larger plan, so they'll come back.

The options are Jan 06, so there's not much time to recover, but the more I read this, the more I learn about it, the better I feel. I think we'll open up, jump all over the damn place, but we won't close significantly down. I think that in spite of the uncertainty of short-term sales, the certainty of Intel as a chip supplier over IBM/Freescale will bring the longs in. I think the street will like this, if I'm reading it right. Wish I was holding Jan 07s, though.

I think there's a surprise in this that we haven't seen - some *other* reason to partner with Intel. Steve has a history of doing that - of seeing 3 plays where you'd only expect 1 and walking away with a deal that seems imbalanced in his favor. I think we'll see a new product segment that will offset any potential loss of hardware sales due to the transition.

AAPL has been good to me. I've read the leaves right many, many times, and I think I have this one wired as well, but I've never been so anxious going into keynote.

AAPL has been good for me too. I can't really afford to keep the shares if apple's future begins to look too risky however.

I like what I read at Blackfriar Communications blog. Looks very hopeful really. The news stories have just been blown out of proportion. Nevertheless, I will not be sleeping well tonight. When news like this comes out its fun for many but for us investors it can be incredibly stressful.
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post #291 of 319
6/6/05 at 2:26am
I bought recently some AAPL here in Belgium before the whole EU crisis. Then the EU crisis begun and I saw the dollar grow stronger in comparison with Euro. Lovin' it. I am keeping my stock and will see what happens tomorrow and next few months. It sure is exciting now. 8)
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6/6/05 at 2:38am
All these whiners about the fact that "IBM makes a 3.2Ghz chip for the new consoles". Do you know why? The chips for the next gen consoles are simpler in design than G5 is.

That means that it is easier for the clock speeds to go up. The console chips were designed with a particular speed in mind. They weren't designed to scale or change like the G5, or perform as much tasks as the G5.

It isn't that simple.
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6/6/05 at 3:28am
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All these whiners about the fact that "IBM makes a 3.2Ghz chip for the new consoles". Do you know why? The chips for the next gen consoles are simpler in design than G5 is.

Thank you!

The console chips are entirely different to G5s, which is why Xbox360 isn't going to cost $3000.

Different designs, different teams, different process lines. No impact whatsoever on G5 production.
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post #294 of 319
6/6/05 at 3:57am
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I'm sitting tight. I have a lot of shares as well - but far more options.

I'm not worried about the shares - been sitting on those for a long time now and whatever happens tomorrow will be part of a larger plan, so they'll come back.

The options are Jan 06, so there's not much time to recover, but the more I read this, the more I learn about it, the better I feel. I think we'll open up, jump all over the damn place, but we won't close significantly down. I think that in spite of the uncertainty of short-term sales, the certainty of Intel as a chip supplier over IBM/Freescale will bring the longs in. I think the street will like this, if I'm reading it right. Wish I was holding Jan 07s, though.

I think there's a surprise in this that we haven't seen - some *other* reason to partner with Intel. Steve has a history of doing that - of seeing 3 plays where you'd only expect 1 and walking away with a deal that seems imbalanced in his favor. I think we'll see a new product segment that will offset any potential loss of hardware sales due to the transition.

AAPL has been good to me. I've read the leaves right many, many times, and I think I have this one wired as well, but I've never been so anxious going into keynote.

AAPL stock has been good to me also and I am betting on SJ. If I am wrong it has been an exciting ride. But I believe that besides the alleged announcement of a ''switch'' to Intel Jobs will also give us a roadmap of something other than Macs. i.e. V I D E O. I really expect to see a prototype of some sort of vPod/movie/iTunes device using Intel. What a great way to sugar coat things for the critics. an iPod successor.
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post #295 of 319
6/6/05 at 4:15am
I don't know if we are going to see something this early on an intel processor right away, but I'm sure there will be some video streaming in the works involving intel processor driven machines.
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6/6/05 at 5:40am
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The stock will drop a good percentage tomorrow morning as a result of worried investors selling off certain amounts of their stock. If Steve Jobs announces that apple has partnered with intel to make PPC chips I imagine the stock will go back up and above what it is currently at over the course of a few weeks. If Steve Jobs announces that apple is switching to x86 I would imagine that the stock will stay low until investor's fears are extinguished.

I'd have a stop order in if it drops to low so you don't lose too much. If later the stock starts to rise again you can buy it probably cheaper than you sold it at, if you are paying attention, or you could set a limit order to buy X shares at Y price.

I'm not a broker though and cannot give legal stock advice. The above are just my opinions.


Ugh, the stock went up last month on reports that Apple was dropping IBM for more mainstream Intel chips. The market will love this. What the market really wants is for Apple to drop its OS and use a modified version of Windows - that still looks mac like. That is, they become just another computer maker.
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6/6/05 at 6:37am
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Ugh, the stock went up last month on reports that Apple was dropping IBM for more mainstream Intel chips. The market will love this. What the market really wants is for Apple to drop its OS and use a modified version of Windows - that still looks mac like. That was, they become just another computer maker.

Looks like the market it taking the news in stride. It's all over TV now and the papers this morning, but it looks like we'll open up about a buck. Interestingly, AMAT is supposed to make a major announcement this afternoon (4PM EST).

Picking up Apple isn't so much a coup for Intel, but certainly would be for AMAT.
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6/6/05 at 3:03pm
Now that its official I'm not buying a Mac Mini until Intel's inside.
How would you guys feel about buying a Mac now when you know it will be considered old architecture next year?
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6/6/05 at 3:08pm
SEE...

Ever since SJ came back, Apple ALWAYS does what I tell them.


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6/6/05 at 3:13pm
I was totally prepared to check the hot sheets when I got home from out of town today, find out this business about Intel to be utter bunk, and then buy the 20" iMac I've been considering for a few weeks.

Not going to happen now.




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Now that its official I'm not buying a Mac Mini until Intel's inside.
How would you guys feel about buying a Mac now when you know it will be considered old architecture next year?
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6/6/05 at 3:22pm
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Now that its official I'm not buying a Mac Mini until Intel's inside.
How would you guys feel about buying a Mac now when you know it will be considered old architecture next year?

I bought a brand new iMac a few weeks ago. I don't believe the intel switch effects PowerPC-based Mac users at all. Apple just shipped Tiger a few months ago, and it runs faster and more optimized than any version prior. Final Cut Studio just showed up on my doorstep today, which runs faster and more optimized than any previous version. Adobe Creative Suite 2 just shipped a few weeks ago, that's faster and more optimized than any version prior.

It's going to be probably four years or more before software runs as good on Intel-based Macs as it does on PowerPC-based Macs today. You can safely buy a Mac today and use it for four years. If you're seriously considering buying expensive software for your Mac of today in 2009, then you need to rethink the purchases you make which most-increase your productivity. You shouldn't be buying expensive pro software for a four year old computer.

Getting an Intel-based Mac in a year is going to be like running OS X 10.0 the day it came out; it was exciting, but you couldn't run anything on it. Rest-assured, you can buy a Mac today.
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6/6/05 at 4:37pm
Well I've officially killed myself. From now on I am a ghost in hell. Algol is the demon star after all. This all seems silly to me but perhaps Apple can pull it off... or perhaps steve has killed himself also--as well as AAPL. This is either the stupidest or smartest thing Apple has ever done. Time will tell. Who's willing to take the odds? Not me.
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6/6/05 at 5:08pm
I think it's the smartest thing they have done. It seems to me that they have been careful not to go toe to toe with Microsoft, otherwise their representative wouldn't be there today announcing their support for the transition.

A 1.67 Ghz G4 is not suitable for a Professional Notebook costing as much as $2,500.

Notebooks are the way of the future. Intel is the unchallenged King there right now, and it's a smart move for Apple to align with the King for the first time, rather than with the Underdog (AMD) who seems to be doing better, but has no good notebook chips and doesn't have the giant fabs Intel has.
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6/6/05 at 5:46pm
If OSX is not going to be able to work on Generic PCs, than Apple is once again mising the chance to become Top Dog. Why wouldn't they go toe to toe with Microsoft? If OSX can work on Intel Chips than Apple should go all out to win the OS war.
PC manufacturers have been after Apple to make OSX available to them.
Now is the chance to take over the market.

If Apple doesn't do this, then Jobs has no guts.
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6/6/05 at 5:55pm
Because Microsoft can crush them. All those tales about iWork being worked on as a replacement for Office are sweet and all, but Microsoft Office is simply irreplacable on the Mac. We don't even have a native version of OpenOffice.org, let alone something better than Microsoft Office.

If you go toe to toe with Microsoft, expect Microsoft to go toe to toe with you. And we all know how Microsoft's competitors ended up being.

Linux is an exception to this. Not because it's better (which it is), but because it's not a company, but a movement of people that want to run it and use it. They can't be crushed because they don't have a centralized company that produces Linux and protects its products. And they have the backing of some of the biggest companies in the world (IBM, HP, Intel, etc) - which means that Microsoft can't just kill it because there are other, bigger players in that field.

But Apple is not a big player, or at least, not as big as IBM or HP. It can't, and it won't, go toe to toe with Microsoft.
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6/6/05 at 6:00pm
Because computer hardware is still an important part of Apple's income. If they forfeit hardware sales just to get the OS out there, they would be bleeding money. It's not about guts. Business decisions aren't made emotionally to prove wang size. It's about business sense. It's not the time to do that yet.

Even the rate of piracy is larger than Apple's 2-3% marketshare. Who's to say how many illegal copies of OSX would circulate, and hurt their profits even more if they did what you asked?
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6/6/05 at 6:09pm
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If OSX is not going to be able to work on Generic PCs, than Apple is once again mising the chance to become Top Dog.

That does concern me a little. I was thinking the same thing, but like someone pointed out, if they were to allow OS X to run on any PC based hardware, then Apple's hardware business is pretty much dead.

I mentioned in another thread that I would be happy to pay a little extra money on an Apple system due to the beauty of the design, but I am also not stupid either. I was referring to something less than $500.

If I got the same experience from a machine that cost me $800 compared to a $3000 Mac, then guess what I am going to do.

We will have to wait and see how Apple plays this out to see how it affects market share and their stock price.
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6/6/05 at 6:28pm
Seems to me that Microsoft makes quite a bit of money without the hardware sales.

Sometimes a company has to take risks to grow, did Microsoft get to where they are by playing possum and not wanting to upset someone?

If Apple isn't going to allow clones then this whole move is a waste of time and money, IMHO.

And how, exactly, is Apple going to prevent OSX for Intel from working on another box?

And I really do believe that Apple fans will continue to buy Macs even though there are other choices because Apple designs PCs better than anyone else, and the price should come down quite a bit with more hardware components available to them.
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6/6/05 at 6:39pm
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If OSX is not going to be able to work on Generic PCs, than Apple is once again mising the chance to become Top Dog. Why wouldn't they go toe to toe with Microsoft? If OSX can work on Intel Chips than Apple should go all out to win the OS war.
PC manufacturers have been after Apple to make OSX available to them.
Now is the chance to take over the market.

If Apple doesn't do this, then Jobs has no guts.

What would stop Micro$soft just buying up apple and shutting them down?
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6/6/05 at 6:43pm
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What would stop Micro$soft just buying up apple and shutting them down?

The Department of Justice, for one. MS was already found to have a monopoly in the X86-based market, and they maintained it illegally. A buyout would never fly.
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6/6/05 at 6:44pm
That's why they need and support Apple. A much less of a threat to them than Linux.
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6/6/05 at 6:48pm
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What would stop Micro$soft just buying up apple and shutting them down?

Umm something called "anti-competitive behavior"? I realise m$ seems to have the US govt. under its thumb, but I doubt M$soft would be allowed to buy a competitor and just shut them down. The other thing is, how would they buy Apple? there are a lot of shares out there in private hands, MS would have to convince a lot of their own stockholders it was a good idea...
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6/7/05 at 1:22pm
My comment was sort of a sly remark intended to make fun of Microsoft. However, I don't have much faith in the justice department as it seems as if Microsoft and the corporations own the american government. And gosh with Bush in office can anyone really expect any justice in anything?
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6/7/05 at 2:21pm
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Seems to me that Microsoft makes quite a bit of money without the hardware sales.

Sometimes a company has to take risks to grow, did Microsoft get to where they are by playing possum and not wanting to upset someone?

If Apple isn't going to allow clones then this whole move is a waste of time and money, IMHO.

And how, exactly, is Apple going to prevent OSX for Intel from working on another box?

And I really do believe that Apple fans will continue to buy Macs even though there are other choices because Apple designs PCs better than anyone else, and the price should come down quite a bit with more hardware components available to them.

Microsoft makes it's money from volume licensing to OEMs and corporates, very little of their Windows income is from boxed copies sold in stores. Apple can't do this because those same OEMs aren't allowed to preload other OSs.

Apple needs hardware to sell OS X. Also controlling the hardware means you can ensure the OS runs well too. Much of Windows instability trouble is due to an infinite combination of parts.

Clones will kill Apple dead. They won't be able to guarentee stability or sell enough licenses to survive.

Apple is just changing CPU, not becoming Dell.
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6/7/05 at 2:41pm
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Apple can't do this because those same OEMs aren't allowed to preload other OSs.

I'm pretty sure that this is no longer the case - as the government forced Microsoft to stop this practice.
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6/7/05 at 2:42pm
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Microsoft makes it's money from volume licensing to OEMs and corporates, very little of their Windows income is from boxed copies sold in stores. Apple can't do this because those same OEMs aren't allowed to preload other OSs.

Apple needs hardware to sell OS X. Also controlling the hardware means you can ensure the OS runs well too. Much of Windows instability trouble is due to an infinite combination of parts.

Clones will kill Apple dead. They won't be able to guarentee stability or sell enough licenses to survive.

Apple is just changing CPU, not becoming Dell.

Actually, they can and do put others OS's on their machines-Linux for example. Some companies actually approached Apple about using their OS.
If OSX were available to other vendors market share would increase.
I hear what you're saying about stability, however. Apple would have to narrow down the components available to PC makers to make sure there are no problems.

All in all, with no cloning coming from this decision than this looks to be a bad move. Did we really care that the Ghz was lower than PCs? I didn't. Heck, I'm using a G3 400mhz iMac running Panther and it works fine. Can anyone trying to use a 400mhz PC running XP say the same thing?
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6/7/05 at 5:56pm
Yeah, big companies (including HP, IBM) sell Linux on their computers. Dell doesn't, but Dell is a MS fanboy, so no surprise here. But they do sell Linux servers.
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6/7/05 at 10:43pm
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Yeah, big companies (including HP, IBM) sell Linux on their computers. Dell doesn't, but Dell is a MS fanboy, so no surprise here. But they do sell Linux servers.

Dell sells Linux preloaded on some of their business machines, like the Dell n Series Linux Workstations.
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6/7/05 at 10:52pm
Didn't know that. I thought it was only for their servers. Thanks.
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