Originally posted by BRussell
Looking at your posts in this thread, I find that very, very hard to believe.
Why, because he urged someone not to rely on God exclusively to solve all of his problems? Are we just helpless puppets and if anything is difficult, make God do the work? If God is omnipresent I think he can take credit even when we do the work to fix things.
This whole attitude that we are just like God's little pets, that we'll get what we want if we whine and beg enough is quite odd. (That is the inference drawn from people's posts - not something anyone specifically said, by the way).
This whole God/Creation concept is flawed. It is fundamentally unfair for a timeless, omnipotent, uncreated being (let's play along) to make a bunch of little playthings, tell them they have Free Will and if they play the game according to his rules we'll be honored to be in his presence forever as a reward beyond words.
First of all (still playing along) there is no *choice* in our having been Created. It's like raising a slave baby and when it's old enough telling it "You can either work on my farm for nothing, for life, and if you're good, when you're older, I'll let you live in the Master's house where you can grovel appreciatively. Otherwise I'll just have you tortured and killed." Nice.
If you say it is our *place* to respect such a powerful deity for the very power He has, compared to our own lack of it, what is that respect based on since he has created us intentionally as his lessers? It just comes off as arrogance on God's part to demand awe from us. It is infantile of a god to do that. It's like going into a kindergarten class and dealing out roundhouse kicks. Fair fight. Not.
It is impossible for me to believe. This isn't even something easily dodged by the typical "God works in mysterious ways" cop-outs.
Illogical hodgepodge of half-baked mythology-based power structures is all it is.
Before that's labeled as yet more hate speech:
It is Illogical.
It is a hodgepodge of pagan and other religions mashed together.
It is half-baked, requiring constant apologetic reworkings and cause innumerable rifts amongst itself.
It is mythology, having no historical evidence of a Jesus being flesh.*
It is a power structure, a supra-government that meddles in governments daily.
* And that's "OK". But call it for what it is. Symbolic only. Not real. Myth.
You can't deny much of that. No hate needed for it to be largely correct.
Hate has nothing to do with it. I despise it's lingering, persistent negative effects. And I hate that people are gullible to fall for it ceaselessly.
But that's not "hating Christians" for the sake of hate.
I love them all, they are all potential ex-victims of delusion and I welcome any that break free.