Originally posted by dmz
It's just absorption into the oness of all being -- they don't really even ask the one/many question, because basically EVERYTHING is unity. Kinda/sorta in the same way Islam is ready to accept dictatorships -- or that the East has been able to accept Marxism in China and other countries. Buddhism is almost like water, in that is confroms to the shape of it's container.
This is the major problem that Christianity has theologically and why it is provable as a man made invention although undoubtedly was originally in Jesus's original formation a genuine 'divine' spirituality before it became corrupted.
Let's restate the original contention: everything is one. Christianity and DMZ are arguing against this.
Islam and Judaism are unanimous in agreeing with this oneness, In fact the Zen sect of Buddhism is a derivation of the Islamic Sufi philosophy of oneness which was originally stated by Muhammad and later elaborated by Ibn Arabi.
In this regard, Judaism, Islam and Buddhism (as well as many other religions such as Baha'i, Hinduism and Zoroastrianism) completely agree - albeit in different terminology. It is Christianity that differs. But let''s examine the theological proof:
If God (or the Oneness of being, or the Truth, Reality, whatever we're most comfortable with) has always existed (the Christian contention) then there are two possibilities regarding suffering (a key Buddhist concept) or what Christians call 'evil'.
1) It always existed along with God.
2) It came into being at some point during God's existence.
Those are the only two possibilities.
If Possibility 1 is true then we have the duality that the Buddhist and Islamic models argue does not exist. In these conceptions there is only oneness.
So how can both 'evil' and 'God' exist side by side? Clearly this is nonsense unless one accepts duality. You cannot believe in oneness with this view unless you accept that there is no 'evil' - and this is the Buddhist/Islamic view: there is only what seems from our unenlightened perspective to be 'evil'. We are the ones who place the value judgements and this is what limits us. When we get beyond this we can approach 'wisdom'.
But look at point 2) - the Xian view (actually now I am going to use the term 'Xian" to refer to those I believe are not following Jesus's original teaching so as to avoid derailments):
If 'evil' came into being during God's existence then it [u]MUST[/b] have done so with his approval or else HE is not God. There is no amount of wiseacring or flim-flam that can get round this - though the whole Xian dogma is an attempt to do so.
Look at it this way: if you have a totally sealed scientific environment and it is 100% under your control (not 99.999 0r 99.9998 but 100) then ANYTHING
entering that environment is because you allowed it to. If this is not the case then you are not 100% in control.
If this is the case in the analogy of the origin of 'evil' then you are not God. So basically we have a situation where there are only two possibilities.
Possibility 1 is supported by the majority of the world's religions in some form and is logically sound and a reasonable hypothesis (although this is not proof it is true).
Possibility 2 is the belief of Xianity but it is not logical and is self contradictory. The logical resolution can only be to return to 1 but this is again contradictory in Xian thought because it is predicated against
This is a blind alley which imo cause the hate, bigotry and frustration which are the characteristic motifs of Xian thought. Clearly these have a psychological origin and are akin to the person who may become a misogynist because he is unable to relate to women.
These Xians hate the other religions just because
they have resolved this issue.
Life is a labyrinth and the Xians are stuck in a blind alley - instead of retracing their steps or asking others who are in the maze but not stuck they blindly insist that there is no wall in front of them but open space. the pain they feel from banging their head against the wall is rationalised as the pain of 'the devil'. Which is why they get so annoyed when people claim there is only oneness.
It takes away their pain.