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post #121 of 490
And those reposts show that Dorsal was way off back then, and way off today. Why do we fascinate ourselves with him?

If Dorsal throws out a dozen predictions...he's bound to get one of them close.
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post #122 of 490
I remember that he nailed the MWSF powermacs.

But I also remember that somebody claimed that he was just posting specs, that already was on some roumor site several weeks before.

And as I remember MOSR released pretty accurate specs a week before MWSF as well. They had the Mhz completely right.

MOSR also had the powermacs for MWNY right.

(and we even had pictures of the new quick silver enclosure from MacosX.org)


Why is it that no one believes the roumor sites??


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post #123 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by ap:
<strong>And as I remember MOSR released pretty accurate specs a week before MWSF as well. They had the Mhz completely right.

MOSR also had the powermacs for MWNY right.</strong><hr></blockquote>Nah, MOSR was about the only place that didn't get the MWSF 2001 PowerMacs right. Even CNet had the big '733 Mhz' leak, but MOSR was being more conservative.

They were also wrong on MWNY 2001 - AtAT had it right, and that's about it.
post #124 of 490
Big D had the SF powermacs WHACKED before everywhere else though.

WHACKED.
post #125 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
<strong>Big D had the SF powermacs WHACKED before everywhere else though.

WHACKED.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So you did mean MWSF? Does anyone have copies of the pre-MWSF posts?
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post #126 of 490
I'm gonna whack someone if you don't pull yer head outta yer ass!!!

Dorsal ain't got squat--SQUAT! And when the G5 is announced in Jan, it will be proven!
post #127 of 490
Well, I don't think there is much for Dorsal to tell us this time, all he tried to tell us in this thread was that there is no G5 coming out.

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Here is what I'm hoping for :

All have this advance DDRAM and 266 MHz bus thingy Dorsal has been talking about .

PowerPC G4s
1.2GHz PowerPC G4
256K L2 & 2MB L3 per processor
256MB SDRAM memory
Gigawire
80GB Ultra ATA drive
SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX w/TwinView
Gigabit Ethernet
56K internal modem

(Optional Dual) 1.4GHz PowerPC G4
256K L2 & 2MB L3 per processor
512MB SDRAM memory
100GB Ultra ATA drive
Gigawire
SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce3 w/TwinView
Gigabit Ethernet
56K internal modem

Dual 1.6GHz PowerPC G4
256K L2 & 2MB L3 per processor
512MB SDRAM memory
120GB Ultra ATA drive
SuperDrive
Gigawire
NVIDIA GeForce3 w/TwinView
Gigabit Ethernet
56K internal modem

Each model $300 cheaper
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post #128 of 490
1.6 ghz g4?

BAHAHAHA!

i like the specs though...
post #129 of 490
Come on peeps give Dorsal (Dorsal M) a break... He is not trying to predict anything, he is just stating the specs of the test systems that Apple sends him (his company), and so far he's nailed some heavy stuff.

Just because Apple didn't release systems with the exact specs of the prototypes he got to play with doesn't mean he is full of crap.

I my self believe what he says because of all the stuff he has gotten right...

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post #130 of 490
Quit hatin on my nigga Dorsal yo.
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post #131 of 490
[quote]
Here is what I'm hoping for :

All have this advance DDRAM and 266 MHz bus thingy Dorsal has been talking about .

PowerPC G4s
1.2GHz PowerPC G4
256K L2 & 2MB L3 per processor
256MB SDRAM memory
Gigawire
80GB Ultra ATA drive
SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX w/TwinView
Gigabit Ethernet
56K internal modem

(Optional Dual) 1.4GHz PowerPC G4
256K L2 & 2MB L3 per processor
512MB SDRAM memory
100GB Ultra ATA drive
Gigawire
SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce3 w/TwinView
Gigabit Ethernet
56K internal modem

Dual 1.6GHz PowerPC G4
256K L2 & 2MB L3 per processor
512MB SDRAM memory
120GB Ultra ATA drive
SuperDrive
Gigawire
NVIDIA GeForce3 w/TwinView
Gigabit Ethernet
56K internal modem[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

Why's everyone talking about 'gigawire' when we don't have a clue what it is?
post #132 of 490
bring back the 680x0!!!!!!!

WOOHOO, retro computing!
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post #133 of 490
[QUOTE]Originally posted by catalyst:
[qb]

n/m

[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: Nebrie ]</p>
post #134 of 490
Dorsal just makes good guesses. He's well versed in the current tech trends, and in the trends among Apple's suppliers, such as Motorola. He hasn't given us any real inside info, only guesses. And of course a few of his guesses were right. That doesn't mean he "nailed" any expos, it only means that if one guesses enough, they will be right.

It doesn't impress me at all when someone says the mobos will either be like type A, or type B, or if Apple decides not to change them then they won't change, but maybe there will be a small bump in bus speed (since PC133 RAM is so popular), and if Apple decides then maybe the mobos will not get squat.

See how easy it is? I want real insider info, Worker Bee caliber shit---the sort of stuff that the Taliban would give their lives to have.

OK, so here's how it's done, listen up!

I've got four prototype powermacs on my desk.

Two are G5s, one has a 266 MHz bus, DDR ram, the other has a 400 MHz hypertransport mobo and it screams. But Apple is undecided between the two.

The other two prototypes use Apollo G4s, one with the current mobo, the other with an updated mobo using DDR ram, 266 MHz bus, and updated firewire bus. They both scream.

MHz: The G5s are clocked at 1.2 and 1.4 GHz. We got a few in that were clocked at 1.6 and 1.8 MHz, but Apple took them back because of some cooling issues. One of the Apollos is clocked at 1 GHz, the other at 1.133 GHz, but we've played around with the bus multiplier and clocked it as high as 1.4 GHz. So Apple could release the Apollo anywhere from 1 GHz up to 1.4 GHz, as the top end.

There, see how easy it is? I pulled that outta my ass, without even reading about anything. Dorsal's "inside info" is about the same...he makes these shotgun predictions that cover any and all scenarios, then when the new powermacs are announced he's always right, because he predicted EVERYTHING!

Damn you people are easy to fool, quick to bait, and hard to convince. Amazing!
post #135 of 490
Junkyard Dawg, shut up until you prove dorsal as no real info.
post #136 of 490
JD does have the style...
post #137 of 490
Eugene nailed it on the head!
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post #138 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by catalyst:
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Why's everyone talking about 'gigawire' when we don't have a clue what it is?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Gigawire is FireWire2... 800, 1.6, 3.2Megabits/sec
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post #139 of 490
No, Mike Breeden posted on xlr8yourmac.com an anonymous tip of SDRAM 733 MHz Power Macs and other announce products prior to MWSF 2001.

In fact, he was so skeptical, he took the news bit down for a while, then republished it as part of a tip from a C|Net article that posted the same stuff!

<a href="http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-4362156.html" target="_blank">http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-4362156.html</a>

Note the date, a week before MWSF, MHz range spot on: 466-733

"While the new drives may be announced, actual shipment may come later, sources indicated. The company has been evaluating Pioneer-manufactured DVD-rewritable drives, which can also record CDs."

"A slot-loading DVD drive, a first for Mac notebooks, will be integrated into the machine, as will the lithium polymer battery."

Okay, so they flubbed up with the Lithium-Polymer battery rumor, but they were right about everything else.

[ 11-28-2001: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
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post #140 of 490
I have 20 prototypes ranging in clock speed from 933 MHz to 1.6 GHz.

Some of them use PC133. Some of them use PC2100 and some of them even use PC800 RDRAM.

One is a G4 "Apollo" and another is a G5.

One has a slot load drive and two 5.25" bays while the other still only has one.

A few of these machines have 3 DIMM/RIMM slots, but just as many have 4. One machine has only 2 slots.

The new enclosures I've seen are very nice, but a few arrived in older style enclosures.

Yadda yadda.

EDIT: Oops, I forgot, please surgically implant buzzwords like HyperTransport, RapidIO, southbridge, northbridge, PCI-X, DDR-333, faster AirPort, Giga-E in CPU, ATA-133 throughout my post.

[ 11-28-2001: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
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post #141 of 490
Eugene, while I agree with your sarcastic post.....I do think we can count on RapidIO as it is touted as a design feature of the G5.

One thing I would like to point out is the "north and south" bridge. Why is there no East/West bridge???? Must be all that Gangsta Rap East Coast, West Coast thang.
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post #142 of 490
I've got some info that you might find interesting. A close friend who works at Arla (www.arla.se) (the company that Motorola has outsourced its G4 development to) has told me this:

The "Happy Mac" icon that appears when the Mac starts up will be replaced by a "Happy Steve" icon. In sleep mode, the only available screen saver will be "Sleeping Steve".

Rumors are also that Dell is developing new laptops that will display "Angry Steve" and then set themselves on fire on bootup.
post #143 of 490
Long time lurker, first time poster (here).

My .02 on the Dorsel M thread.

Comment 1:
After reading Dorsel's posts and the Register story, as well as the discussions here, it seems to me that the whole G5 discussion may be marketing smoke and mirrors. I know there are people who know chip design and are sure that a G5 must be 64bit and a 85xx processor, but isn't it possible that the "G5" to be announced is really a 7640 with substantial motherboard modifications, and that Marketing says "Well, that's good enough to call a G5". If the cpu comes in at 1.2, 1.4 and 1.6 ghz, isn't that what Dorsel M was predicting??

Comment 2:
Dorsel mentioned the future of connecting iPod-type devices, and suggested some kind of "docking" port. I agree with those that think a slot for an iPod is unlikely. But Dorsel did say "Future personal devices from Apple will have more of an intimate relationship with Apple's desktop hardware, and to a point an integral relationship." Could this be protents of some type of seemless, wireless integration of the OS with the iThingees? or am I hopelessly trying to read something into the tea leaves.

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post #144 of 490
North Bridge!! Oh snaps gotta be careful might get shot for saying that.

Aywayz, I'm siting here eating a piece of pizza from Papa John's right. My brother works at Papa Johns so he came over with a whole pepperoni pizza he got. He told me that earlier in the week he delivered to a guy, and the guy told him to come into the house for a minute while he got his wallet to pay for the pizza. He said the home was pretty nice and he noticed a new computer in the living room that he'd never seen before. He recognized it as a Mac though, and was curious. The guy seemed to be taking his time and yelled "Just a second I think I left it upstairs". So my brother goes over to the computer. The computer had Mac OS X on it so he went to the system profiler. The computer was listed as a 1 GHz G5 with a 400 MHz bus. The ram listed was 512 MB DDR. He noticed Gauge Pro on the machine and quickly opened it. Seemed to be a newer version, and listed the processor as a PowerPC 8500 (G5) and again the bus at 400 MHz. The Gauge Pro showed the memory as being DDR, but not what type. The drive inside the machine was the Pionner DVR-AO3 and the graphics were a GeForce 3. He then heard the man's voice behind him. The man went "Oh, that's top secret. I just got a hold of it this week. It's not in stores yet. Are you familiar with Macs?". My brother then asked him if this was indeed a G5 and the man told him yes and that Apple was getting ready for a major surprise come January. Then he asked the man how he received the machine, and the man said that he was John Rubenstein's college room mate!
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post #145 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
<strong>Quit hatin on my nigga Dorsal yo.</strong><hr></blockquote>



Are you white by any chance?
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post #146 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>bring back the 680x0!!!!!!!

WOOHOO, retro computing!</strong><hr></blockquote>

NO doubt! I just bought a SE/30 a few months back. It's fun as hell to have a computer that once cost $4000 for $20!!! :eek:
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post #147 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
<strong>North Bridge!! Oh snaps gotta be careful might get shot for saying that.

Aywayz, I'm siting here eating a piece of pizza from Papa John's right. My brother works at Papa Johns so he came over with a whole pepperoni pizza he got. He told me that earlier in the week he delivered to a guy, and the guy told him to come into the house for a minute while he got his wallet to pay for the pizza. He said the home was pretty nice and he noticed a new computer in the living room that he'd never seen before. He recognized it as a Mac though, and was curious. The guy seemed to be taking his time and yelled "Just a second I think I left it upstairs". So my brother goes over to the computer. The computer had Mac OS X on it so he went to the system profiler. The computer was listed as a 1 GHz G5 with a 400 MHz bus. The ram listed was 512 MB DDR. He noticed Gauge Pro on the machine and quickly opened it. Seemed to be a newer version, and listed the processor as a PowerPC 8500 (G5) and again the bus at 400 MHz. The Gauge Pro showed the memory as being DDR, but not what type. The drive inside the machine was the Pionner DVR-AO3 and the graphics were a GeForce 3. He then heard the man's voice behind him. The man went "Oh, that's top secret. I just got a hold of it this week. It's not in stores yet. Are you familiar with Macs?". My brother then asked him if this was indeed a G5 and the man told him yes and that Apple was getting ready for a major surprise come January. Then he asked the man how he received the machine, and the man said that he was John Rubenstein's college room mate!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why do you bullshit us like this? Quite creative though.
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post #148 of 490
And Gauge Pro was never ported to OS X by NewerTech.
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post #149 of 490
Let's get back on topic. Okay Dorsal M tell us what Gigawire is and describe what the 800Mb and 1600Mb FireWire connections look like. Is one of them optical?

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post #150 of 490
"And Gauge Pro was never ported to OS X by NewerTech."

Says who? It was a newer version.
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post #151 of 490
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I'm afraid I have been kept out of the loop. In fact most of our department has been kept out. While we have been working on G4 based Macs, some of our colleagues ahve not only had access to advanced machines but intimate knowledge of them. I only came to find out about then recently. It has been abnormally secretive.The good news is that the machines are VASTLY superior to the ones we have in our possesion. I believe they are based on the MPC8500 processor we know as the G5 and the speeds are nothing short of breakthrough (in Apple terms). The documentation I saw detailed machines in the 1.2, 1.4 and 1.6GHz range. I have yet to see the cases. But it may be that this week they will have to let us in on it as our department will eventually be dealing exclusively with them. Talk to you soon.
post #152 of 490
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post #153 of 490
OK. Speculation time.

Maybe Apple packaged up the internals of the new iMac (w/o case and display) in beige towers and sent these to some developers. Others received the real G5 towers, also in beige towers. This would explain the conflicting reports we've been hearing...
post #154 of 490
Not sure if anyone recalls this but after MWNY it was quietly announced by Apple that they were discontinuing their outsourced hardware testing program or something along those lines. It was my assumption that after the pics of the Quicksilver tower were leaked they made this decision.
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post #155 of 490
Oh! Ahh. Just kidding! There really are G5s!

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[quote]Originally posted by cinder:
<strong>Oh! Ahh. Just kidding! There really are G5s!

</strong><hr></blockquote>

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post #157 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by Dorsal M:
<strong>I'm afraid I have been kept out of the loop
[...]
Talk to you soon.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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post #158 of 490
Hi, I lurk.

I've been reading this forum for about 10 months now, and never found anything quite as humorous as this thread.

Here's just a little theory as to this whole Dorsal M thing:

What would happen if AI used the Dorsal moniker to increase traffic on this BB? This would explain the Mod/Admin secretive nature about how this new Dorsal M series of posts is "known" to be the "real" Dorsal. Are they attempting to increase traffic in hopes of attracting new banner advertisers? Or is there another motive for this line of thinking? Or am I totally off my nut?

Know what? Who cares. Apple is going to introduce whatever hardware they introduce at MWSF. We can't control it. We get what we get. If we don't get what YOU think we should, let Apple know after the show. Simple as that. Squabbling about it isn't going to solve anything; it's only going to serve to heighten your disappointment when the dust has settled.

I don't give two poostix what we get, because whatever it is, it's better than what I've got now. And it's better than what you've got now. Are you going to buy a Wintel box b/c they have a slightly faster CPU? No, you use a Mac b/c it's a more intuitive system. So why bitch?

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post #159 of 490
DOOD!!! POD!!!!

Personally, I could never imagine being bored enough to create stuff like this.

well, unless I had a way to profit off of it . . .

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post #160 of 490
The only way to verify whether or not this is the original Dorsal (which still odesn't prove whether he was legit or not in the first place) is for the Mods to tell us how they verified that this was dorsal. They don't have to tell us where or who he is, just how they confirmed that this and the last were indeed the same.

I got a PM saying basically "we can't tell you how, but trust us." hmm... I'm not sure AI would go through the trouble of a cloak and dagger conspiracy.
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