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post #201 of 490
I used to believe in Dorsal, really I did. But that story about only a core group in his firm having access to the G5 makes no sense at all to me. Either he has access to secret hardware or he doesn't. Either his company needs him to test new hardware or it doesn't. A secret's a secret folks: it's all about trust.

On the other hand, I think that Andrew Welch would be on a first-name basis with a lot of the movers and shakers at Apple. Ambrosia is a Mac-only shareware house that produces the only Mac-only games that people are passionate about.

Mmmmmmm ... EV Nova ........


Where was I? Oh.

Don't get too attached to all the stories that are floating around about G5s. Faster Macs are imminent; TiBooks with combo drives have just been announced; plenty of windroids are looking longingly at iBooks with OSX; life is good.
post #202 of 490
Rumors tend to be fun as long as they're about 1 year ahead of the actual event, when everyone is still believing just one version, sicne there only is ONE version of the rumor. as soon as every 12 year old pimp starts claiming he's got sources and tells stories about whatever is coming etc etc, it only get's ppl angry and excited.
Personally I like the versino of G5 being in development and being twice as fast as a P4 at the same speed. Everything that came after that is irrelevant, because what the mainboard's hardware will be, depends on the actual date of release anyway. I'll just wait and see, and I'm glad that I can do that, unlike many others around here it seems.

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post #203 of 490
This is what discredits him in my eyes:

The new Apollo G4's are really G4.5's -- and they will reach some pretty decent clockspeeds in 2002.

If he really understood hardware then he would know that the Apollo is just a SOI based 7450. It's even made on 180nm just like the 7450. Now if he knows something that no one else knows, like it will have 512KB L2, extra execution units and double precision Altivec with DDR bus support, then I guess it would be more than just a process upgraded G4. But something tells me Apollo will slightly underwhelming. (up to 1.4GHz? come on.)
post #204 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by Ptrash:
<strong>Perhaps a larger cube, targeted at the consumers who want a Mac without PCI slots

An Imac cube, 1ghz G3 with an LCD monitor for $1299? $1399? ...do we hear $1499?</strong><hr></blockquote>

How about the same Cube but with gigabyte Apollo, DVD combo drive, 100 Gig HD, ATi Radon "All in Wonder" with record to disk. Nintendo Game Cube emulation standard with Panasonic "Q" drive.

$1499 for the Cube "Digital Hub"
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post #205 of 490
Speculating about a G5 is fun and all...
but people, take a chill pill!

Why do you all care so much?
If Dorsal M or any other is correct what difference does it make to you? Are you going to buy one BEFORE Steve anounces it? Come on! What anyone says makes NO difference to what will actually happen. You are only wasting your time arguing about somthing that is relatively unimportant.

What will happen, will happen.
post #206 of 490
Not sure if anybody saw this but Architosh.com has
another article on the G5. Here is the link...

<a href="http://www.architosh.com/news/2001-12/2001c-1215-g4g5.phtml" target="_blank">http://www.architosh.com/news/2001-12/2001c-1215-g4g5.phtml</a>

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post #207 of 490
El Capitan's hamartia shall lead to Trinity's return and its rise to the throne,
Its little brother shall rule in the great desert where the dolphins roam.

[ 12-18-2001: Message edited by: Codename ]</p>
post #208 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by Codename:
<strong>El Capitan's hamartia shall lead to Trinity's return and its rise to the throne,
Its little brother shall rule in the great desert where the dolphins roam.

[ 12-18-2001: Message edited by: Codename ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

What flaw would that be?
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post #209 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by Codename:
<strong>El Capitan's hamartia shall lead to Trinity's return and its rise to the throne,
Its little brother shall rule in the great desert where the dolphins roam.

[ 12-18-2001: Message edited by: Codename ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


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post #210 of 490
Was El Capitan the beige G3 or the blue and white G3? Yosemite and Yikes were the first G4s I believe.
hamartia = tragic flaw (as pointed out above)

I didn't think there was anything tragic about the G3 boxes. If Trinity = Cube, I can't see what is so bad about the current towers that would bring back the cube. Size? Fan?
Expandability? Oh wait, thats a good thing
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post #211 of 490
Ooh!
I love riddles.

Flaw . . . lack of expandability? weird shape?
lack of breathing room?

Trinity? new case design I guess . . . tri - what?
5.25 drive bays?

Little brother?

as in the iMac . . .?

dolphin . . .?
Gamecube uses the dolphin. the Gamecube is a cube . . .

iMac will be the re-cube?

fun.
post #212 of 490
I made a mistake. Yosemite was the Blue and White G3.
El Capitan was the codename for the "case", which is still the current case.

Now whats the deal with the desert thing?
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post #213 of 490
Damn it, I hate it when Nostradamus posts ...
post #214 of 490
SAHARA

Sahara is the codename for the 1 GHZ-class G3 from IBM.
post #215 of 490
So the Dolphin was the codename for the Gamecube which uses an IBM G3 class processor.
Sahara is a G3.
So lets assume the iMac is the little brother of the Powermac.
I guess he's saying the iMacs will stay at G3s

I still don't see why the cube could come back. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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post #216 of 490
Easy

El Capitan's hamartia
hmm

Quote:
shall lead to Trinity's return and its rise to the throne<hr></blockquote>

Hmmm mixed. Possibly, the return and rise of the G3! LOL (Quake *three* was codenamed Trinity in the technology demo stages). Trinity is however often associated with the future, and thus the G5 being the future.

Quote:
Its little brother shall rule in the great desert<hr></blockquote>
The G4's little brother (new LCD - SMALL - iMac) shall rule, based on the shara chip (desert). And as the G5 is the "Gold fish", a gold fish can hardly survive in the desert

where the dolphins roam.

Reference to the nintendo gamecube aka dolphin (its codename some time ago). Possibly the iMac will rule amounst family buyers who are the key market of the gamecube? and now the new imac?
post #217 of 490
Mackie9 Translation:
The "current case's" "tragic flaw" shall lead to the "cubes" return and its rise to the "top" or "high-end",
The iMac shall rule with the G3 sahara along with the likes of the game cube"

that's my guess anyway... seems to me that he's saying that apple will be replacing the towers with a cube-like case and the imac will have the sahara g3.
post #218 of 490
Lemme try...

"A little bird told that Trinity shall return, after eating pie, more voluminous than a dolphin..."

"El Capitan's hamartia shall lead to Trinity's return and its rise to the throne, Its little brother shall rule in the great desert where the dolphins roam."

"A little bird told me the cube shall return, after eating pie, larger than a game cube?" :confused:

"The G4 case tragic flaw shall lead to the cubes return and its rise to the throne, Its little brother (regular cube) shall rule in the great desert (sahara = G3) where the dolphins roam (same as the Game Cube)." :confused:

A new larger cubeish style case for the Pro line (G4) and a regular cube for the iMac (G3/Sahara)

Okay codename how's that?

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[ 12-18-2001: Message edited by: DaveGee ]</p>
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post #219 of 490
<a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/9905/internal-projects.shtml" target="_blank">Dolphin is not dead.</a>
post #220 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by Codename:
<strong><a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/9905/internal-projects.shtml" target="_blank">Dolphin is not dead.</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

Hrumph... A water resistant laptop?!?! Well first I've found no other site other than Apple Insider that speaks of it and second, I'm not sure I get the point... Water resistant isn't the same as Waterproof and well.. err... even if it did I'm still not sure I'm getting the point...

The Apple Dolphin... you can even use it in the bathtub or while doing laps in the pool and in the case of an airline water landing you can even use your Dolphin as a flotation device.

Sounds as useful as nail clippers for fish.

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post #221 of 490
Why can't simply mean don't worry about spilling a coke on it or carrying it in the rain? Yuo people think too much into something and then ridicule it when you can't understand it.

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post #222 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by Codename:
<strong><a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/9905/internal-projects.shtml" target="_blank">Dolphin is not dead.</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

Codename...

"A little bird told that Trinity shall return, after eating pie, more voluminous than a dolphin..."

"El Capitan's hamartia shall lead to Trinity's return and its rise to the throne, Its little brother shall rule in the great desert where the dolphins roam."

Could "El Capitan" as used above mean a PERSON (Say Steve Jobs) instead of a CASE (BW G3 and G4 tower case)?

If so then this makes even more sence:

"Steve Jobs tragic flaw shall lead to the cubes return and its rise to the throne..."

I still don't get the PIE reference... could you provide just a little help?

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post #223 of 490
Well, if El Capitan is the case, then what is a (the) major flaw with the case? The size? The expandability? Lack of microphone? Little stupid speaker? What flaw could lead to a new cube? Why is this flaw important enough to reincarnate the mega disaster known as the cube?
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post #224 of 490
hmm, dolphin.
Does 'portable' mean a notebook or just easy-to-move, like a cube?

just an idea
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post #225 of 490
Return of Trinity (cube) and a new (smaller? - "little brother") cube-based games console, which is "more powerful than a [game cube]", thus enabling it to 'rule in the great desert (the console market) where the dolphins (game cubes) roam"

Which could help explain the whole Raycer thing.

NB. I don't think this guy has inside info, and I don't think this will happen (a second cube failure would be terrible), but these riddles are fun all the same. :cool:
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post #226 of 490
How about Trinity being the case of the Beige G3?
(Tri = three, Trinity = a unit of three, as in God which is 3 characters in one).
You could basically say it's the return of a case with 3 bays, with 3 CPUs, with G3 CPUs, or the return of Mac OS 3. Let's face it, january 7 will tell, noone else will.

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post #227 of 490
I don't care if codename has sources or not... figuring out his riddles is fun... any more clues codename?
post #228 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>Well, if El Capitan is the case, then what is a (the) major flaw with the case? The size? The expandability? Lack of microphone? Little stupid speaker? What flaw could lead to a new cube? Why is this flaw important enough to reincarnate the mega disaster known as the cube?</strong><hr></blockquote>

The drive bays? My guess is the new case will have two 5inch drive bays....?!?
post #229 of 490
Hey, I think this riddle has some amazing possibilities. Apple could be readying some kind of box that runs OSX but also runs (more) games through some sort of extra hardware.
Could "pie" be a reference to Precision Insight? (PI) They do software for 3D hardware acceleration and one of their clients is ATI!!

just a thought . . .
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post #230 of 490
For me this translates to:

A big cube like enclosure for the top Power Macs. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

A smaller cube like enclosure for the new iMac. :confused:

Only the form factor of the enclosure, not necessarily a new Cube, as the Cube sufferend heavy from the same disease as the El Capitan enclosure: low expandability.

A big cube like box for the PowerMac seems reasonable, because it offers a possible small form factor, while still providing a suitable space for expandability and enough thermal stability to swap in a new mobo with more power dissipating cpus.

A small cube like box for the new iMac seems a bit off the track, because it leaves the all-in-one idea since there's hardly a way to put a TFT display on a cube. But maybe Apple does so?A tiny cube like iMac with a stand alone TFT? If they can make an iMac with TFT competitive on the gamers market sounds doubtful at least however.

A new rugged quicksilver cube, trimmed with a design along those lines like the PowerBook?
With plenty of space for extra drives and PCI cards? Something that resembles the NeXT Cube in a way? Wouldn't be too shabby I think. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
post #231 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by rollerdexter:
<strong>Hey, I think this riddle has some amazing possibilities. Apple could be readying some kind of box that runs OSX but also runs (more) games through some sort of extra hardware.
Could "pie" be a reference to Precision Insight? (PI) They do software for 3D hardware acceleration and one of their clients is ATI!!

just a thought . . .</strong><hr></blockquote>

Codename has already told us that "Dolphin" isn't the Nintendo Game Cube but instead a pretty old '99'? Rumored laptop that would have succeed the 1st iBook (rumored to be water resistant?).

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post #232 of 490
Wait, why does Trinity = Cube?

[quote]Originally posted by Codename:
<strong>Its little brother shall rule in the great desert where the dolphins roam.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Little brother does seem to be the new iMac...

According to the old AI article above, Dolphin was a mysterious portable project. The rumors at the time (2.5 years ago) was that it was waterproof, but things obviously change in 2.5 years. I'll assume that, even if true, it's not the major selling point.

So...what if Dolphin is a PDA/Webpad/Knowledge Navigator? Or a wearable (which might explain its need to be water resistant)?

So the iMac rules in the great desert (haven't figured that part out yet) where the Apple PDAs/Webpads/wearables roam.

Makes sense...but what of the desert?

Or maybe we forget that these riddles don't make sense until the events happen.

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post #233 of 490
The "tragic flaw" of the current tower cases is quite evident. Don't think, listen. Big honking fans.... If only they had released G4 class cube, I wouldn't have ringing in my ears as a fall off to sleep at night.
post #234 of 490
I agree about the fans and re: PIE

"we started the magazine PIE Developers in the
fall of 1993 right after Apple’s Newton announcement. It was a technical magazine for Newton developers. The acronym PIE came from Apple’s Newton group, the Personal Interactive Electronics (PIE) division." :eek:
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post #235 of 490
just some urls to back up the codenames so that we are all on the same page here:

Dolphin: some kind of speculative portable from apple
<a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/9905/internal-projects.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/9905/internal-projects.shtml</a>

Trinity: was the codename for the cube.
<a href="http://www.apple-history.com/g4cube.html" target="_blank">http://www.apple-history.com/g4cube.html</a>

El Capitan: The current case design... named when it went from beige to blue & white
<a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/9809/el-capitan-design.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/9809/el-capitan-design.shtml</a>

Pie: see previous post


I find the dolphin link very interesting... it speaks of a portable... combined with the phrase "where dolphins roam" i think codename is hinting at some sort iMac that is more portable than it is now... which reminds me of this link

<a href="http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/presspaq/052101/visioneering.html" target="_blank">http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/presspaq/052101/visioneering.html</a>

maybe a portable/desktop unit that lacks a battery or something to keep it from competeing with the iBook... but has also some hand writing functionality... arghhhh... i should be working right now... not figuring out riddles!!!
post #236 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by Little Newton:
<strong>I agree about the fans and re: PIE

"we started the magazine PIE Developers in the
fall of 1993 right after Apple’s Newton announcement. It was a technical magazine for Newton developers. The acronym PIE came from Apple’s Newton group, the Personal Interactive Electronics (PIE) division." :eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Nice call Little Newton! I do remember PIE now... Damn the mind IS the second thing to go! Hmmm do you think PIE is now the group heading up the iPOD development? That would sure be interesting!

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post #237 of 490
Great, this is getting TOO exciting.

So far we've got water proof laptops, towers that will be the most expandable that Apple has ever released, and silent. iMacs that are thin, portable, look like the cube and seem to have attachable monitors, and the return of the Newton. Could all of our dreams come true at one MacWorld!?

heh, the ironic part is...if all of this did happen, someone would come here after the keynote and start a new thread:

"My problem with Apple's new &lt;insert name here&gt;"
or
"I can't believe they didn't include &lt; blank &gt;"
and of course:
"That price is crazy!!!"
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post #238 of 490
The filling shall reveal a crust made from the Rosetta Stone.

[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: Codename ]</p>
post #239 of 490
following is a quote from

<a href="http://www.macedition.com/nmr/nmr_20000717.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.macedition.com/nmr/nmr_20000717.shtml</a>

Writings on the wall

Speaking of fine print, the Blades ropy-muscled field team of Egyptologists has been doing some serious spade work on a top-secret project hitherto sealed securely behind a hidden trap door in Apples sub-basement.

Dubbed Rosetta Stone (apparently in homage to the Blades former nom de drag queen), the software currently in development for Mac OS X is aimed at resurrecting the mummified remains of the handwriting-recognition technology behind Apples long-dead Newton PDA and putting it to work on forthcoming Mac lap- and desktops.

While the effort remains a work in progress albeit a fairly well-formed one some pie-eyed optimists are already hoping that the advent of Rosetta Stone will ultimately do to the keyboard what the iMac did to the old-school floppy disk.

According to the Blades jackal-headed informants, the first candidate for Rosetta Stone is the next-generation PowerBook Apple is planning to release early in 2001; if current plans hold, the systems trackpad will accommodate pen input as well as the usual repertoire of five-finger exercises.


check this out too
<a href="http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2607921,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2607921,00.html</a>

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post #240 of 490
"The new iMac. Keyboard not included."

What a way to make the iMac special again! I can see the Windows users: "But, but, but... how will I control-alt-delete?"

Of course, this "iPad" concept has been a staple of Apple rumormongering for some time. But it would make sense of all the buzz Apple is generating for the keynote: "innovative, revolutionary, and different" and "powerful, user-friendly, and eye-catching." (They forgot "positive, meaningful and generally happy-making," but who's counting?)
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