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post #321 of 490
G4 at 2ghz a year ago?

The G4 only scales up to 1.0ghz according to moto and others.
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post #322 of 490
In the Motorola Laboratory they had an 8400 processor AKA G-4 at 2,000 Mhz/ 2 GHz- 1 yr ago.Period.
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Isn't the G4 7400, not 8400 Renan?

Also why would AMD be the manufacturer of the G5 instead of IBM?
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post #324 of 490
The 8400 is a G4?

If so, then why are G5's even being thought of-if the G4 can, according to you, scale up to 2.0ghz?
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post #325 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by Spart:
<strong>I do not think Apple is going to be releasing a tablet/iMac with removable screen/whatever any time soon, because it would flop like the Cube. Think about it. People right now, with whats been going on, are going to want something super cheap and something that they are familiar with. They aren't going off and buying things like this and the tablet/PDA/home appliance market has been suffering.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not to start a long discussion, I think that the tablet could be really good but that it is technically difficult to do one really well and very difficult to do it well at a reasonable price. A tablet would have to be about 3/8 inch thick, extremely rugged, and have excellent writing characteristics like good lead on good paper. To do this the hardware has to be extremely fast and precise.

I would guess that people draw strokes at up to 100mm/sec (or more). If the digital paper has a resolution of 100 dpi then this works out to roughly 4,000 points per second that have to be digitiized per second (x,y, z) resulting in something like 12,000 synchronized conversions per second (14 bit?) that are time stamped. This is a significant engineering challenge. Not rocket science but not trivial to do beautifully and glitch free.
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post #326 of 490
When the third sucessor of Artemis shall eat pie with the great desert, Artemis' twin shall rein with the tractable Mercury and the obstinate Mercury before being eaten by the goldfish and this shall signal Trinity's return.

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post #327 of 490
[quote]When the third sucessor of Artemis shall eat pie in the great desert, Artemis' twin shall rein with the agile Mercury and the obstinate Mercury before being eaten by the goldfish and this shall signal Trinity's return.<hr></blockquote>

Artemis-Goddess of the Hunt?
Apollo-Artemis' twin?
Mercury-Code for PowerBook
Goldfish-G5

Fun...
post #328 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by mslee:
<strong>

Artemis-Goddess of the Hunt?
Apollo-Artemis' twin?
Mercury-Code for PowerBook
Goldfish-G5

Fun...</strong><hr></blockquote>

sahara = great desert = G3 750FX
artemis = G3 All in One
post #329 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by Codename:
<strong>When the third sucessor of Artemis shall eat pie with the great desert, Artemis' twin shall rein with the tractable Mercury and the obstinate Mercury before being eaten by the goldfish and this shall signal Trinity's return.

[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: Codename ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


When the third successor of the G3 All in one shall eat pie with the Sahara G3 750, Apollo G4 will be in the upgradeable powerbook and the nonupgradeable powerbook before getting the G5 chip, and this will signal the return of the cube.

hmm.
post #330 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
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When the third successor of the G3 All in one shall eat pie with the Sahara G3 750, Apollo G4 will be in the upgradeable powerbook and the nonupgradeable powerbook before getting the G5 chip, and this will signal the return of the cube.

hmm.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Very nice! But how does trinity equal cube?
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post #331 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
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When the third successor of the G3 All in one shall eat pie with the Sahara G3 750, Apollo G4 will be in the upgradeable powerbook and the nonupgradeable powerbook before getting the G5 chip, and this will signal the return of the cube.

hmm.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've been told Sahara **could** also refer to something other than the new G3 processor...

I can't say more since as hard as I've looked I can't find any other reference to it and I wouldn't want to get anyone in trouble... If someone reading this knows what I'm talking about and has a web site to reference the code name please post the link... If nobody does then I really can't say any more.

Codename, could you tell us if "Sahara" is related to the G3 or some other project? That is If the great desert = Sahara in the first place... (and I think it does).

All I can say is that the project I was told about does make things click into place a bit better than a G3 CPU.

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post #332 of 490
Codename is an idiot.

Hey look every body!
I have "inside connections"

"The great pie in the sky shall have a successor and it shall be called dolphin and rule over all of the other desert cubes when the trinity is reestablished".

See? I can come up with meaningless crap too!
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post #333 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by Codename:
When the third sucessor of Artemis <hr></blockquote>
Artemis is G3 AIO, so first successor is tray iMac, second is slot iMac, and third is LCD iMac.

[quote]shall eat pie with the great desert,<hr></blockquote>

LCD iMac will have Sahara G3.

[quote]Artemis' twin shall rein with the tractable Mercury and the obstinate Mercury<hr></blockquote>

Artemis's twin is Apollo, Mercury is TiBook, so the TiBook will get Apollo G4's. The two Mercury's is a little more complicated. Maybe one is the iBook. This would mean G4 ibooks. This seems unlikely. Maybe there will be an upgrade path for users of the current TiBooks, like the combo drive one.

[quote]before being eaten by the goldfish<hr></blockquote>

The improved TiBook will be what everybody is talking about until G5 PowerMac's come.

[quote]and this shall signal Trinity's return.<hr></blockquote>

The case of the Powermac G5 will in some way resemble the Cube. Maybe that Dodecahedren idea is not that far off?

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post #334 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by discstickers:
<strong>

Very nice! But how does trinity equal cube?</strong><hr></blockquote>

A guide to some of Apples (older) codenames... (only because that page hasn't been updated for a while)

<a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/codenames.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.appleinsider.com/codenames.shtml</a>

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post #335 of 490
In addition to being the codename, there's also a logical reason;namely, the Cube took something from three other apple products. From the Powermac G4 it got the G4 processor. For the iMac it got lack of expandibility/consumerness. From the Powerbook it got small size.

[quote]Originally posted by discstickers:
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Very nice! But how does trinity equal cube?</strong><hr></blockquote>
post #336 of 490
Hello people?

How do you know that Codename is not just making all this crap up?

Or do you just enjoy trying to figure out what these meaningless words mean?
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post #337 of 490
Well, that, and it was the third desktop in the new Apple 'quadrant' thingie.
Three desktops = trinity
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post #338 of 490
Goldfish was a codename for a 16" Macintosh monitor. Codename is either real, or he has some kind of list of codenames he refers to. Wonder where he could find something like that?

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post #339 of 490
My best shot at it...

When the third sucessor (1st = Bondi iMac 2nd = slotload/multicolor 3rd = LCD iMac)
of Artemis (aka Power Macintosh G3 All-In-One)
shall eat pie (gotta be a codename but I don't know it but codename stated the 'filling' is Rosetta aka Handwriting Recognition)
with the great desert, (sahara? aka new G3 or aka another project inside Apple)
Artemis' twin (apollo? aka Mac Classic II?)
shall rein with the tractable (managable/upgradeable)
Mercury (PowerBook G4?)
and the obstinate (difficult/nonupgradeable)
Mercury (PowerBook G4?)
before being eaten by the
goldfish (Macintosh 16" Color Display? PowerPC G4 Next-Gen??)
and this shall signal
Trinity's (PowerMac G4 Cube)
return.


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post #340 of 490
codename= PowerMac G4


he has done this same thing for 3 years now. it's played.
post #341 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>codename= PowerMac G4


he has done this same thing for 3 years now. it's played.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's who I was trying to think of...
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post #342 of 490
Hi Nick.
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After looking it all over again, I have come to believe that rather than hinting at Macworld introductions, Codename is instead predicting the end of the world. As Steve utters, "And one more thing" while reaching for the corner of a silk scarf covering some sort of small tablet shaped device, the universe (at least, as we know it) will cease to exist. All of us shall be damned to an eternity of never knowing the truth, never seeing the light, and we won't be able to use copy protected CD's in our Macs, either. Major bummer!
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post #344 of 490
Posted in another forum but I think it fits well here too...

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post #345 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by Codename:
<strong>When the third sucessor of Artemis shall eat pie with the great desert, Artemis' twin shall rein with the tractable Mercury and the obstinate Mercury before being eaten by the goldfish and this shall signal Trinity's return.

[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: Codename ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Could we have a codename with letters, asterisks and numbers (ie i*****2)? I miss Kormac's bizarre naming schemes. Plain codenames are so boring and it is much more entertaining to read the people asking "what the heck is e****?" Or at least clever acronyms like BHA.
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post #346 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by apple.otaku:
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That's who I was trying to think of...</strong><hr></blockquote>

although he is also Nick Deplume from ThinkSecret apparantly so who knows anymore
post #347 of 490
Codename...

Sahara = Great Desert right?

Everyone thinks Sahara/great desert is a reference to the new G3 chip (that also uses the codename Sahara) but as I stated above I have my doubts...

What does the Sahara lack? Water! Or, to put it another way "The Sahara is water resistant"... If I'm close then I **know** Sahara isn't a reference to the G3 but to another (non-cpu related) project.

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post #348 of 490
Sahara?

I'm still trying to figure out "tesserae"...
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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although he is also Nick Deplume from ThinkSecret apparantly so who knows anymore</strong><hr></blockquote>

Bingo!

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[quote]Originally posted by bandalay:
<strong>Sahara?

I'm still trying to figure out "tesserae"...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ticket. It's a derivative of a Latin/Italian word for ticket. It's not really a ticket, but more like a card or something. And the ending in this case is plural...why? I don't know.

I THINK this reference is tablet related though.
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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although he is also Nick Deplume from ThinkSecret apparantly so who knows anymore</strong><hr></blockquote>

Then why is he giving out riddles involving the G5? His site claims the G5 will not debut for a while.
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[quote]Originally posted by bandalay:
<strong>Sahara?

I'm still trying to figure out "tesserae"...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Main Entryttes·sera
Pronunciationt'te-s&-r&
Functiontnoun
Inflected Form(s)tplural tes·ser·ae /-"rE, -"rI/
EtymologytLatin, probably ultimately from Greek tessares four; from its having four corners -- more at FOUR
Datetcirca 1656
1 : a small tablet (as of wood, bone, or ivory) used by the ancient Romans as a ticket, tally, voucher, or means of identification
2 : a small piece (as of marble, glass, or tile) used in mosaic work

Who used the word "tesserae" anyway?
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post #353 of 490
tesserae was the codename for the LCD iMacs that were supposed to debut at Macworld NY in the summer... i don' t know which rumors page had the info about it. seems to me it was either ThinkSecret or MOSR...
post #354 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>

Then why is he giving out riddles involving the G5? His site claims the G5 will not debut for a while.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think he suffers from MPD or something
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[quote]Originally posted by bunge:
<strong>

Ticket. It's a derivative of a Latin/Italian word for ticket. It's not really a ticket, but more like a card or something. And the ending in this case is plural...why? I don't know.

I THINK this reference is tablet related though.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually Tesserae can also mean cube or...the last thing is hard to explain. It is a token Romans used to recognise friends when they were away from home or ID (kinda).

The cude definition supposedly came from greek. The ID idea was there for a while. That's what I remember from Latin at least.

Oh and finally MOSR (I think it was there) listed Goldfish as supposedly the G5 codename. It was mentioned once apparently in some correspondence.
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post #356 of 490
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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I think he suffers from MPD or something</strong><hr></blockquote>

Or he could be trying to discredit AI... way to go

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post #357 of 490
Goldfish (as the G5 processor code name) was discussed in an article right here on AppleInsider back in 98. I don't recall seeing it on MOSR before then.
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post #358 of 490
Getting off this 'codename' nonsense... intel claims that the P4 can get a 30% boost in performance by using hyper-threading. Now to my understanding hyper-threading needs some hardware support for it but a lot of software support as well. Apparently XP and Linux has some support for it. Now I wonder if the G5 has the proper support for hyper-threading and seeing that Apple has control of the software and hardware, maybe the next revision of OS X will have a kernel that can hyper-thread. But application developers would have to update their code to take advantage of it. But if it's a free feature (unlike altivec was on the G4) then Apple doesn't have to prop it up as much as it does with Altivec and developers looking to benefit from the speedboost will do so.
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[quote]Originally posted by SYN:
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Or he could be trying to discredit AI... way to go

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He would only be discrediting himself. AI isn't going to post this crap on the front page. Not that I don't think its fun or anything. I just have a feeling it can mean anything now. It keeps getting more vague all the time.

He should change his name to Nostradamus.
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[quote]Originally posted by Codename:
<strong>When the third sucessor of Artemis shall eat pie with the great desert, Artemis' twin shall rein with the tractable Mercury and the obstinate Mercury before being eaten by the goldfish and this shall signal Trinity's return.

[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: Codename ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

When the iMac LCD will process with the new G3 chip, the new Apollo G4 will find its way into, as an upgrade path, the PowerBook G4, all revisions, before we get a PowerBook G5, and this means that we will have a three processor lineup, similar to the brief 603, 601, 604 period.
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