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Any word on it?

Has Microsoft given up working on the free Mac e-mail client? It wouldn't surprise me if they did and decided to start making people buy Office to get the full-featured Entourage.

OT: wtf were they thinking when they named it Entourage? Why couldn't they stick with "Outlook" so Windows users aren't confused when they hear about "Entourage" on the Mac? Oh well. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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I think it had to do with support for Microsoft Exchange Server which Entourage 2001 didnt have, so they couldnt really call it Outlook. Later they released Outlook for OS9, but it was only for Exchange Server and nothing more. Too bad they dont get with the program... Oh well, Im sure its a good piece of software anyway. When I get a new iMac sometime next year Ill get OfficeX, Im no fan of Mail
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[quote]Originally posted by 4fx:
<strong>I think it had to do with support for Microsoft Exchange Server which Entourage 2001 didnt have, so they couldnt really call it Outlook. Later they released Outlook for OS9, but it was only for Exchange Server and nothing more. Too bad they dont get with the program... Oh well, Im sure its a good piece of software anyway. When I get a new iMac sometime next year Ill get OfficeX, Im no fan of Mail </strong><hr></blockquote>

Okay, let's get this straight.

Microsoft Outlook is for Exchange server only. On Windows and on Mac. That's it. It does not do POP mail on either platform.

Microsoft Outlook Express has never been for Exchange server. It is for POP, IMAP and HTML email only. On Windows and on Mac. It is still released and updated as a free Email client for OS 9, and I suspect MS may update it for OS X very soon.

The naming procedure is a complete mystery. Outlook and OE may share some code, but they are two completely different programs to be used in two completely different environments. Microsoft confused a lot of people because of this. The majority of Windows users still don't know the difference between Outlook and Outlook Express.

Entourage is Outlook Express with the additional provision of personal organizer functions. There is no current counterpart in Windows, therefore there's no Entourage for Windows. I suspect Microsoft may include this in the next version of Office for Windows.
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[quote]Entourage is Outlook Express with the additional provision of personal organizer functions. There is no current counterpart in Windows, therefore there's no Entourage for Windows. I suspect Microsoft may include this in the next version of Office for Windows.<hr></blockquote>
Actually Entourage is a crippled version of Wintel Outlook. Outlook does Exchange Server mail, and POP mail, as well as PIM stuff for workgroups, i.e. group calendaring, shared appointments etc. It would be nice if MS actually included Outlook in the Mac version of Office.
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[quote]Originally posted by tonton:
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Okay, let's get this straight.

Microsoft Outlook is for Exchange server only. On Windows and on Mac. That's it. It does not do POP mail on either platform.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry Tonton, but thats not true. I have Outlook 2000 (Windows) configured to check my POP mail and it works perfectly (in the limits of MS technology that is).
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[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
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Sorry Tonton, but thats not true. I have Outlook 2000 (Windows) configured to check my POP mail and it works perfectly (in the limits of MS technology that is).</strong><hr></blockquote>

And do you not have an Exchange server at all?

Of course, I could be wrong. I was using Outlook 97, and though I could check POP mail, it was only through the Exchange server that I could do so. If the Exchange server was down, I couldn't check any mail at all with Outlook and had to use Outlook Express.
post #7 of 17
You have to have Outlook Express installed to check POP from Outlook. Try uninstalling OE and then see if checking POP mail from Outlook still works. No go.

I have no clue how it works that way, I don't like Outlook at all.

"Outlook", that is one weird word. Read it about 10 times and focus on it. Weird. (I swear I'm not high)
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post #8 of 17
I used Outlook 2000 (Windows) at work until recently ... I thought it was pretty slick. The networked scheduling functions looked pretty cool (not that we actually used them much).

Then I changed jobs last month, and now I use ... Novell GroupWise. (shudder) It's like going back to the Dark Ages.

Back on topic ... OS X already comes with a free e-mail program. What would Microsoft have to gain by bringing OE to X?

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post #9 of 17
I have it at home and I definetly dont have an Exchange server... just a normal cable connection.

Then again, I do also have Outlook Express installed (its on there by default... damn Windows... installs crap everywhere) so I can't confirm if Outlook will work without OE installed to check POP mail. Don't see why not though.

I have Outlook97 at work here and there is no POP, thats for sure.

WHY make a carbonized OE? Well, what other free email client can you use to check your hotmail account with? And, to be honest, Mail.app is just ok... its not that great. Just an 'average' app
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post #10 of 17
The free Mail client that ships with OSX isn't as good as Outlook Express, it has problems with attachments and so on. I'd prefer to use OE in OSX. Entourage has too many features I wouldn't use... I can't live without my complex IE rules!
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post #11 of 17
OOOH! I'm all dizzy and confused after reading this thread. Never has the Outlook been used so many times and with different meanings <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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post #12 of 17
[quote]Originally posted by Mediaman:
<strong>OOOH! I'm all dizzy and confused after reading this thread. Never has the Outlook been used so many times and with different meanings</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh, yes it has...

In Hong Kong, the word "outlook" is used very commonly, and exclusively to mean "personal appearance". :confused:

I have to explain to people time and time again that that is not a correct meaning of the word, which means "point of view" or "prospect for the future".
post #13 of 17
[quote]Originally posted by Mediaman:
<strong>OOOH! I'm all dizzy and confused... :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>
It's not that difficult:
Outlook = Microsoft Exchange Email Client (Mac & Windows)
Outlook Express = Free Email Client (Mac & Windows)
post #14 of 17
[quote]so I can't confirm if Outlook will work without OE installed to check POP mail. Don't see why not though.<hr></blockquote>

Control Panels -&gt; Add/Remove Programs -&gt; Outlook Express

Uninstall it. Try and check your mail from Outlook, tell me what happens.

You *can* confirm it if you like.
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post #15 of 17
[quote]Originally posted by cowerd:
<strong>It would be nice if MS actually included Outlook in the Mac version of Office.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why? You can just download it.
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post #16 of 17
[quote]Originally posted by JLL:
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Why? You can just download it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But it only works with OS 9. There's no X version.
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I hope that Entourage is a form of Outlook Express that the dunder heads at AT&T Broadband will accept. I haven't had email since Excite pulled the plug ( I was using OS X 's mail app ). AT&T said that they don't support OS X or their mail app. They only support IE and Outlook in 9.x.

I've tried reconfiguring the OS X mail app but it still doesn't work. The " tech support " guy on the phone said he didn't know if Entourage in X ( I just got Office x ) would work. Also they might be able to try to help me with the OS X app but, they might have to charge me $ 30.00 or so!
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