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post #1 of 26
12/14/01 at 3:49am
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Anybody have any news on this.

Like when and where it might appear.
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post #2 of 26
12/14/01 at 5:12am
I've not heard anything, but it could come with the new iMacs, or perhaps late summer in the US for the next school year. When ever it comes I hope it uses sheets,etc.

Chris

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post #3 of 26
12/14/01 at 10:57am
AppleWorks is a wonderful program. I type all my school papers on it. I hate Office, but I like some of the features that Office has or had in previous versions.

One thing I loved was Word 5.1's ability to give you the grade level required of a reader. For instance, this paper requires that the reader be at least in the 8th grade.
The grammar-correction in modern Office for PCs is annoying. Always in your face. I preferthe "Check for Errors" command over the red underlining anyday.
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post #4 of 26
12/15/01 at 5:10pm
Going even further off topic:
Office identifies some past tense phrases as passive voice, and it annoys me to no end. Hitting ignore 30 times per page is not productive... argh.

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post #5 of 26
12/15/01 at 8:58pm
I think AppleWorks 7 should come out sometime soon. 6 has been around since MWSF 2000, it's about time.
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post #6 of 26
12/15/01 at 10:45pm
The thing I love most about office X is that it has an autocorrect feature for simple mistakes... it's a major time saver and can save alot of imbarrassment. i.e. it will capitalizethe first letter of a sentance if you miss hte shift key and don't notice, it will capitalize any lowercase i's alone in a sentance. Appleworks won't even pick those things up...
If they add this kind of functionality I may switch back.
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post #7 of 26
12/15/01 at 10:46pm
I'm not really looking for anything more from Appleworks than it already provides. I like how it stays the hell out of my way when I'm making up a test (the automatic bulleting thing that Word does is a pain in the ass) or writing a progress note for a client. Word I use for more extensive stuff, theses and the like. They have mutually exclusive places in my writing life. Although, I would like underlined spelling mistakes. I guess there's always room for improvement.
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post #8 of 26
12/15/01 at 11:06pm
[quote]Originally posted by torifile:
<strong>I'm not really looking for anything more from Appleworks than it already provides. I like how it stays the hell out of my way when I'm making up a test (the automatic bulleting thing that Word does is a pain in the ass) or writing a progress note for a client. Word I use for more extensive stuff, theses and the like. They have mutually exclusive places in my writing life. Although, I would like underlined spelling mistakes. I guess there's always room for improvement.</strong><hr></blockquote>


appleworks needs to be (like all apple apps should be) a demonstration of OS X at its best. Right now its OS X at sucking. Its a bad OS X app and doesn't utilize any of OS X's unique features.


Hopefully Apple has been working on a revamped version for 7
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post #9 of 26
12/15/01 at 11:16pm
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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appleworks needs to be (like all apple apps should be) a demonstration of OS X at its best. Right now its OS X at sucking. Its a bad OS X app and doesn't utilize any of OS X's unique features.


Hopefully Apple has been working on a revamped version for 7</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're right. It's not the best app out there, but in terms of what it does, I think it's ok. OS X api compliance would be a start, for sure and more stability would be nice. And of course it looks like ass. Features-wise, it's about right though.
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post #10 of 26
12/16/01 at 3:17am
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I guess all we can do is wait. I hope apple has something impresive up there sleeves.
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post #11 of 26
12/16/01 at 4:12pm
[quote]Originally posted by Eupfhoria:
<strong>The thing I love most about office X is that it has an autocorrect feature for simple mistakes... it's a major time saver and can save alot of imbarrassment. i.e. it will capitalizethe first letter of a sentance if you miss hte shift key and don't notice, it will capitalize any lowercase i's alone in a sentance. Appleworks won't even pick those things up...
If they add this kind of functionality I may switch back.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Looks like you could have used some of those features in this post...

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post #12 of 26
12/16/01 at 5:24pm
I have Word set to ignore the passive voice since I like to write in passive voice sometimes.

Things like auto-correcting "hte" to "the" and "i" to "I" and "adn" to "and" are super handy for me, but the red squiggly is a double-edged sword. It is somewhat useful but it is highly annoying when typing up a paper for Spanish.

You can turn all that kind of stuff off, no sweat.
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post #13 of 26
12/16/01 at 9:44pm
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>I have Word set to ignore the passive voice since I like to write in passive voice sometimes.

Things like auto-correcting "hte" to "the" and "i" to "I" and "adn" to "and" are super handy for me, but the red squiggly is a double-edged sword. It is somewhat useful but it is highly annoying when typing up a paper for Spanish.

You can turn all that kind of stuff off, no sweat.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The problem is that a feature I would like to use in Word, theoretically, is stupid as hell and won't listen to me. I'm sure there's some way to get it to work but it's just easier to use appleworks for that stuff. eg.

1. This is the first item in a test
a. this is item a
b. this is item b
c. this is item c

2. .... [you get the point]

Word will not let me do that without numbering the space 2. and then the next item 3. until I delete 2., etc. Pain in the ass. Appleworks doesn't do it automatically, but the tabs work fine. No arguing required. I don't want Appleworks to do it for me because it never works right. There's a niche that Appleworks fills now and could benefit from a couple of enhancements and that's it. It won't ever be an Office replacement and shouldn't try to be...
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post #14 of 26
12/17/01 at 12:15am
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Got this from another thread looks like there might be a rival to word.

<a href="http://okito.net/composer/" target="_blank">http://okito.net/composer/</a>
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post #15 of 26
12/17/01 at 4:01am
The Auto-Format tools are likely the most annoying usability flaws in MS Word. I don't like using Word, and I wouldn't use a word processor that acted like Word concerning Auto-Format. The feature always backfires, and the UI is so befuddled (at least in recent versions), it's quite difficult to turn it off. Everyone has trouble with it. Maybe Office:Mac OS X is better in this regard, but that's doubtful. I wouldn't want AppleWorks to adopt such an ill conceived "enhancement." Hopefully Apple will get the Carbon port ironed out before they start emulating Microsoft.
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post #16 of 26
12/17/01 at 5:19am
they should make AppleWorks have sheets and allow for 33 character and more document names and make it a real[ B]Carbon[/B] application instead of a quick fix so they can bundle it <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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post #17 of 26
12/17/01 at 8:01am
What I'd like:[*] Longer text fields in the database[*] Mo' better scriptability (it's already been improving steadily).[*] A native interface, please. Not a cobbled-together hack.[*] Performance. AW 5 was lean, mean and fast. AW 6 drags the machine down when it's idle.

I wouldn't have much use for iDisk integration, but schools might.
Other than that, I don't need much. I like the fact that AW has a simple, clean interface and I like how it stays out of the way until I want it to do something. Mostly it needs to be reworked and polished until it's back up to AW 5's standards, and OS X native.
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post #18 of 26
12/17/01 at 10:55pm
[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
<strong>What I'd like:[*] Longer text fields in the database[*] Mo' better scriptability (it's already been improving steadily).[*] A native interface, please. Not a cobbled-together hack.[*] Performance. AW 5 was lean, mean and fast. AW 6 drags the machine down when it's idle.

I wouldn't have much use for iDisk integration, but schools might.
Other than that, I don't need much. I like the fact that AW has a simple, clean interface and I like how it stays out of the way until I want it to do something. Mostly it needs to be reworked and polished until it's back up to AW 5's standards, and OS X native.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's fairly easy to make longer text fields in databases. Go to the Layout menu and select Layout. This puts you in the mode to edit the layout. Select the field you want to lengthen and drag a corner like it is a drawing object.

Anyway, I'm moving to Office now because its what my school uses. I refuse to switch to a PC, but I'd like my files to be easily compatible, with proper formating, with my peers and instructors, who mostly use PC's. I wish Office for Mac included a basic version of Access, so I can have a database program without buying FileMaker Pro. Oh well.
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post #19 of 26
12/17/01 at 11:03pm
[quote]Originally posted by Robby:
<strong>Got this from another thread looks like there might be a rival to word.

<a href="http://okito.net/composer/" target="_blank">http://okito.net/composer/</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

This looks awesome, as long as the final version includes the ability to supress headers and footers. I used Word Perfect for much of high school simply because it had that ability and Appleworks did not. I had a few teachers who would take off from the grade for including my last name and page number on the first page, but it had to be on the other pages in the upper right corner, MLA Style. Now that I've moved to OS X I'm migrating to Office, but Composer still looks like an awesome piece of software.
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post #20 of 26
12/18/01 at 2:10pm
[quote]Originally posted by Robby:
<strong>Got this from another thread looks like there might be a rival to word.

<a href="http://okito.net/composer/" target="_blank">http://okito.net/composer/</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

Looks like a good app.
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post #21 of 26
12/18/01 at 5:48pm
The thing that peeves me about Word is how its auto correct features are on by default. I should be able to install Word, start typing, and write a document without the word processor interfering.

What if I want to write the word "teh"? What if I want to write a sentence with the first letter lowercase? What if I don't want red and green lines drawn all over the place?

It should be off by default. That way, a more experienced user that wants these more advanced features can turn them on, by digging through Microsoft's typically cryptic and confusing Preferences. And the average or beginner user can avoid them.
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post #22 of 26
12/18/01 at 7:40pm
[quote]Originally posted by eVo:
<strong>The thing that peeves me about Word is how its auto correct features are on by default. I should be able to install Word, start typing, and write a document without the word processor interfering.

What if I want to write the word "teh"? What if I want to write a sentence with the first letter lowercase? What if I don't want red and green lines drawn all over the place?

It should be off by default. </strong><hr></blockquote>

The auto features drive me crazy - I agree the default should be "off."I learned long ago that the best thing for me after installing Word was to go through every conceivable option in every conceivable place and turn off everything.

I write many theological papers, and a common abbreviation is OT (Old Testament). But don't let Word get hold of that. The only solution I cam up with was to add another auto-correct to reverse TO to OT. Yuck!!

I have Office 2001 because of two jobs teaching at which Windows is it. This allows me to write curriculum and develop PowerPoint myself and not have headaches.

But any serious writing - it is Nisus Writer. And NW is being written from the ground up as a Cocoa version, not just a carbonized form of NW 6.
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post #23 of 26
12/19/01 at 3:38pm
Try writing fora... you get for a instead (with a space).

Amorya
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post #24 of 26
12/19/01 at 3:49pm
Composer is VERY nice.........Goodbye MS Word!
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post #25 of 26
12/19/01 at 5:04pm
If you folks really like and enjoy Composer, email the developer and give him your thoughts/suggestions, I did and he was responsive.
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post #26 of 26
12/19/01 at 6:55pm
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>I have Word set to ignore the passive voice since I like to write in passive voice sometimes.

Things like auto-correcting "hte" to "the" and "i" to "I" and "adn" to "and" are super handy for me, but the red squiggly is a double-edged sword. It is somewhat useful but it is highly annoying when typing up a paper for Spanish.

You can turn all that kind of stuff off, no sweat.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I got a neat little app called claris works 5 in spanish. Has all the functionality of the old clarisworks but also can spell check your spanish papers. very handy for people like me who are dumbasses about accent marks

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