Originally posted by tonton
There is no gay "lifestyle" in this question. It's gay or not gay, and it's not a choice.
And this is a belief
I realize than many people want to believe that this could not possibly
be a human behavioral choice (even sub-conciously) it is much easier to accept that it is genetic or in-born.
And, if it is genetic or in-born, then it is wrong
to, well, say that it is wrong. Much like it would be wrong to say it's wrong to have blue eyes or red hair or freckles or have dark skin or be a certain gender. This very reasoning is what causes supporters of "gay rights" to link themselves with the civil-rights movement.
I have heard all of the arguments before, the two primary ones being:
1. When did you choose
to be a heterosexual?
2. Why would someone choose
a "lifestyle" that sets themselves up for such hardship?
Both are fallacious arguments and themselves do not offer a proof
of the genetic or in-born nature of homosexuality.
First, even if you can prove that someone has never "chosen" to be heterosexual, doesn't prove that someone else has not "chosen" to be homosexual.
Second, people choose to do lots
of things that lead to hardship, ridicule and other ill-effects in their lives.
But, for the moment, let's go with this (unproven) assertion. Let's break this down.
1. People are born with certain traits.
2. People engage in certain behaviors.
The general argument is that there are certain things in #2 (let's homosexual behavior) that are unavoidable or uncontrollable due to certain things in #1.
- Is this true?
- Is is a correct assumption about anything
- If it is
true, is the behavior made "right" by virtue of the fact that it derives from an in-born trait of some kind?
Let's try some examples:
- Violent behaviors
- Sexual predatory behaviors
Let's say that any one of these behaviors derived from some in-born trait. If this is true, would that behavior be "okay"? If so, only for people with that trait?
Now...before anyone gets inflamed...I picked these specific examples exactly because they are behaviors that most people commonly agree to be "wrong".
There are some (many?) that also believe that homosexual behavior is "wrong" also (regardless of any in-born, genetic pre-disposition to it).
We can argue until the cows come home (when is
that by the way?) But it all boils down to different beliefs about what is "right" and what is "wrong". Christians (and Jews and Muslims I suspect as well), would say that there is an absolute
(of our own personal feelings, ideas and wisdom) source of "rightness" and "wrongness"...God...revealed through scripture.
Now you may not agree with it, but it is superficial and simplistic to dismiss it simply because you don't
. All you are saying is that "your view doesn't matter because I don't agree with it."
It is quite interesting to note that those that hold that "homosexuality is just a natural, normal expression of human love, and there is nothing evil, sinful or wrong with it", hold this view/belief with the same
fervor and zealousness as do those that hold the opposite view. The certainty that they are absolutely